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[Csnd] OT: Release, A Gordian Not

Date2026-03-04 22:26
FromOeyvind Brandtsegg
Subject[Csnd] OT: Release, A Gordian Not
Music release today. 
Partly based on the Granular FM technique that Victor and I wrote about for the last Csound conference. Partly also based on Lsystem rhythmic motive exploration. And in addition to Csound, I doubled some of the stems on the acoustic OSC-controlled pipe organ in Orgelpark/Amsterdam.

https://kropputengrenser.bandcamp.com/track/yvind-brandtsegg-a-gordian-not-spor20

Hope you enjoy
Øyvind

The full description here:
The piece is based on two organic influences: A melodic Lindenmayer system, and a feedback FM technique within granular synthesis. A Lindenmayer system is a formalisation of growth processes in trees and plants, and the branching patterns have here been translated to rhythmic and melodic patterns. When a stem splits out into 2,3 or more branches, these patterns were used to create rhythmic subdivisions within the available time for each stem. This creates somewhat odd polyrhythms that are not easily represented by traditional notation. Similarly, the angle of each branch is translated to melodic intervals, creating self-similar motifs on several layers when the process is applied repeatedly. The feedback FM technique heard in the beginning and very end of the piece is based on an experiment in stabilizing the pitch drift one would normally get with frequency modulation feedback with simple oscillators. Allowing the modulation feedback to happen within each sonic particle of a granular process, the pitch is reset for each new grain and thus more feedback modulation can be applied before it destabilizes itself. Regulating grain size, grain pitch, modulation index, and feedback phase delay, one gets a complex nonlinear 4-dimensional parameter space that, as far as I can see is best explored by ear. The underlying mathematics break down under high modulation indices. Both these techniques appear to have this interesting tension between rigid formalism and unruly organic behaviour, and the piece attempts to explore this complex space.

A purely electronic version of the piece was composed during spring 2025, and an opportunity presented itself to render it on the computer controllable pipe organ og the Orgelpark in Amsterdam. The acoustic pipe organ sound complements the natural sonic processes of the L-system, and starving the air pressure of the organ pipes complements the nonlinear behaviour of the feedback FM technique.
 
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Date2026-03-04 22:48
From"Jeanette C." <000015cdd0ffa6cd-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE>
SubjectRe: [Csnd] OT: Release, A Gordian Not
Hello Øyvind!
Oeyvind Brandtsegg, Mar 4 2026:
...
> https://kropputengrenser.bandcamp.com/track/yvind-brandtsegg-a-gordian-notspor20
...
This is impressive, as far as I understand the underlying principals.
Certainly, their application yielded a fascinating piece of music.
Captivating even to my dummy mainstream ears. So unexpected, when it
began turning into a weird techy version of fusion jazz/prog. Honestly,
at some point I expected the band to count in and go into a more linear
symphonic prog song.

Such anecdotal references aside, there was one sentence in your
description that resonated with me and touched me: a 4-dimensional
parameter space best explored by ear. I'm paraphrasing. Beautifully said
and done.

Thank you for sharing and best wishes,

Jeanette

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Date2026-03-05 17:13
FromStephane Boussuge
SubjectRe: [Csnd] OT: Release, A Gordian Not
Great piece ! I like it very much, thanks for sharing !

Stéphane Boussuge



Le 04.03.2026 à 23:26, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <obrandts@GMAIL.COM> a écrit :

Music release today. 
Partly based on the Granular FM technique that Victor and I wrote about for the last Csound conference. Partly also based on Lsystem rhythmic motive exploration. And in addition to Csound, I doubled some of the stems on the acoustic OSC-controlled pipe organ in Orgelpark/Amsterdam.

https://kropputengrenser.bandcamp.com/track/yvind-brandtsegg-a-gordian-not-spor20

Hope you enjoy
Øyvind

The full description here:
The piece is based on two organic influences: A melodic Lindenmayer system, and a feedback FM technique within granular synthesis. A Lindenmayer system is a formalisation of growth processes in trees and plants, and the branching patterns have here been translated to rhythmic and melodic patterns. When a stem splits out into 2,3 or more branches, these patterns were used to create rhythmic subdivisions within the available time for each stem. This creates somewhat odd polyrhythms that are not easily represented by traditional notation. Similarly, the angle of each branch is translated to melodic intervals, creating self-similar motifs on several layers when the process is applied repeatedly. The feedback FM technique heard in the beginning and very end of the piece is based on an experiment in stabilizing the pitch drift one would normally get with frequency modulation feedback with simple oscillators. Allowing the modulation feedback to happen within each sonic particle of a granular process, the pitch is reset for each new grain and thus more feedback modulation can be applied before it destabilizes itself. Regulating grain size, grain pitch, modulation index, and feedback phase delay, one gets a complex nonlinear 4-dimensional parameter space that, as far as I can see is best explored by ear. The underlying mathematics break down under high modulation indices. Both these techniques appear to have this interesting tension between rigid formalism and unruly organic behaviour, and the piece attempts to explore this complex space.

A purely electronic version of the piece was composed during spring 2025, and an opportunity presented itself to render it on the computer controllable pipe organ og the Orgelpark in Amsterdam. The acoustic pipe organ sound complements the natural sonic processes of the L-system, and starving the air pressure of the organ pipes complements the nonlinear behaviour of the feedback FM technique.
 
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Date2026-03-05 18:34
FromDave Seidel
SubjectRe: [Csnd] OT: Release, A Gordian Not
This is great, Oeyvind! 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2026 at 5:27 PM Oeyvind Brandtsegg <obrandts@gmail.com> wrote:
Music release today. 
Partly based on the Granular FM technique that Victor and I wrote about for the last Csound conference. Partly also based on Lsystem rhythmic motive exploration. And in addition to Csound, I doubled some of the stems on the acoustic OSC-controlled pipe organ in Orgelpark/Amsterdam.

https://kropputengrenser.bandcamp.com/track/yvind-brandtsegg-a-gordian-not-spor20

Hope you enjoy
Øyvind

The full description here:
The piece is based on two organic influences: A melodic Lindenmayer system, and a feedback FM technique within granular synthesis. A Lindenmayer system is a formalisation of growth processes in trees and plants, and the branching patterns have here been translated to rhythmic and melodic patterns. When a stem splits out into 2,3 or more branches, these patterns were used to create rhythmic subdivisions within the available time for each stem. This creates somewhat odd polyrhythms that are not easily represented by traditional notation. Similarly, the angle of each branch is translated to melodic intervals, creating self-similar motifs on several layers when the process is applied repeatedly. The feedback FM technique heard in the beginning and very end of the piece is based on an experiment in stabilizing the pitch drift one would normally get with frequency modulation feedback with simple oscillators. Allowing the modulation feedback to happen within each sonic particle of a granular process, the pitch is reset for each new grain and thus more feedback modulation can be applied before it destabilizes itself. Regulating grain size, grain pitch, modulation index, and feedback phase delay, one gets a complex nonlinear 4-dimensional parameter space that, as far as I can see is best explored by ear. The underlying mathematics break down under high modulation indices. Both these techniques appear to have this interesting tension between rigid formalism and unruly organic behaviour, and the piece attempts to explore this complex space.

A purely electronic version of the piece was composed during spring 2025, and an opportunity presented itself to render it on the computer controllable pipe organ og the Orgelpark in Amsterdam. The acoustic pipe organ sound complements the natural sonic processes of the L-system, and starving the air pressure of the organ pipes complements the nonlinear behaviour of the feedback FM technique.
 
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Date2026-03-05 22:01
FromOeyvind Brandtsegg
SubjectRe: [Csnd] OT: Release, A Gordian Not
Hi Jeanette

Thanks for the feedback.
Nice observation with the techy version of jazz/prog... yes, it kind of made itself that way, I was shaping and shaping it, and then suddenly I found it had turned into jazz... then I did not want it to be jazz, and so it turned into the techy thing...sometimes I find I just have to follow where the material goes. haha.

The 4D thing can be seen in the plugin, I discovered now that I had not uploaded that version to the repo, but I did now. 
It is here
It is a midi synth made in Cabbage. There's graphics that shows the complexity of the tones. There are two 2d maps, moving in one of them changes the map in the other view. Not sure if it makes it intuitive, but at least it is possible to see where you are going,

all best
Øyvind

ons. 4. mars 2026 kl. 23:48 skrev Jeanette C. <000015cdd0ffa6cd-dmarc-request@listserv.heanet.ie>:
Hello Øyvind!
Oeyvind Brandtsegg, Mar 4 2026:
...
> https://kropputengrenser.bandcamp.com/track/yvind-brandtsegg-a-gordian-notspor20
...
This is impressive, as far as I understand the underlying principals.
Certainly, their application yielded a fascinating piece of music.
Captivating even to my dummy mainstream ears. So unexpected, when it
began turning into a weird techy version of fusion jazz/prog. Honestly,
at some point I expected the band to count in and go into a more linear
symphonic prog song.

Such anecdotal references aside, there was one sentence in your
description that resonated with me and touched me: a 4-dimensional
parameter space best explored by ear. I'm paraphrasing. Beautifully said
and done.

Thank you for sharing and best wishes,

Jeanette

--
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  * GitHub: https://github.com/jeanette-c

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Date2026-03-07 03:28
From"Dr. Richard Boulanger" <00001600c4df7cd8-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE>
SubjectRe: [Csnd] OT: Release, A Gordian Not
Øyvind,

Cool.  Frank Zappa meets ELP.  Love it.

- Dr.B


Dr. Richard Boulanger

Professor

Electronic Production and Design

Berklee College of Music

Professional Writing & Technology Division



On Wed, Mar 4, 2026 at 5:27 PM Oeyvind Brandtsegg <obrandts@gmail.com> wrote:
Music release today. 
Partly based on the Granular FM technique that Victor and I wrote about for the last Csound conference. Partly also based on Lsystem rhythmic motive exploration. And in addition to Csound, I doubled some of the stems on the acoustic OSC-controlled pipe organ in Orgelpark/Amsterdam.

https://kropputengrenser.bandcamp.com/track/yvind-brandtsegg-a-gordian-not-spor20

Hope you enjoy
Øyvind

The full description here:
The piece is based on two organic influences: A melodic Lindenmayer system, and a feedback FM technique within granular synthesis. A Lindenmayer system is a formalisation of growth processes in trees and plants, and the branching patterns have here been translated to rhythmic and melodic patterns. When a stem splits out into 2,3 or more branches, these patterns were used to create rhythmic subdivisions within the available time for each stem. This creates somewhat odd polyrhythms that are not easily represented by traditional notation. Similarly, the angle of each branch is translated to melodic intervals, creating self-similar motifs on several layers when the process is applied repeatedly. The feedback FM technique heard in the beginning and very end of the piece is based on an experiment in stabilizing the pitch drift one would normally get with frequency modulation feedback with simple oscillators. Allowing the modulation feedback to happen within each sonic particle of a granular process, the pitch is reset for each new grain and thus more feedback modulation can be applied before it destabilizes itself. Regulating grain size, grain pitch, modulation index, and feedback phase delay, one gets a complex nonlinear 4-dimensional parameter space that, as far as I can see is best explored by ear. The underlying mathematics break down under high modulation indices. Both these techniques appear to have this interesting tension between rigid formalism and unruly organic behaviour, and the piece attempts to explore this complex space.

A purely electronic version of the piece was composed during spring 2025, and an opportunity presented itself to render it on the computer controllable pipe organ og the Orgelpark in Amsterdam. The acoustic pipe organ sound complements the natural sonic processes of the L-system, and starving the air pressure of the organ pipes complements the nonlinear behaviour of the feedback FM technique.
 
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Date2026-03-07 14:23
FromOeyvind Brandtsegg
SubjectRe: [Csnd] OT: Release, A Gordian Not
I'm honoured by the association 😊


lør. 7. mar. 2026, 04:28 skrev Dr. Richard Boulanger <00001600c4df7cd8-dmarc-request@listserv.heanet.ie>:
Øyvind,

Cool.  Frank Zappa meets ELP.  Love it.

- Dr.B


Dr. Richard Boulanger

Professor

Electronic Production and Design

Berklee College of Music

Professional Writing & Technology Division



On Wed, Mar 4, 2026 at 5:27 PM Oeyvind Brandtsegg <obrandts@gmail.com> wrote:
Music release today. 
Partly based on the Granular FM technique that Victor and I wrote about for the last Csound conference. Partly also based on Lsystem rhythmic motive exploration. And in addition to Csound, I doubled some of the stems on the acoustic OSC-controlled pipe organ in Orgelpark/Amsterdam.

https://kropputengrenser.bandcamp.com/track/yvind-brandtsegg-a-gordian-not-spor20

Hope you enjoy
Øyvind

The full description here:
The piece is based on two organic influences: A melodic Lindenmayer system, and a feedback FM technique within granular synthesis. A Lindenmayer system is a formalisation of growth processes in trees and plants, and the branching patterns have here been translated to rhythmic and melodic patterns. When a stem splits out into 2,3 or more branches, these patterns were used to create rhythmic subdivisions within the available time for each stem. This creates somewhat odd polyrhythms that are not easily represented by traditional notation. Similarly, the angle of each branch is translated to melodic intervals, creating self-similar motifs on several layers when the process is applied repeatedly. The feedback FM technique heard in the beginning and very end of the piece is based on an experiment in stabilizing the pitch drift one would normally get with frequency modulation feedback with simple oscillators. Allowing the modulation feedback to happen within each sonic particle of a granular process, the pitch is reset for each new grain and thus more feedback modulation can be applied before it destabilizes itself. Regulating grain size, grain pitch, modulation index, and feedback phase delay, one gets a complex nonlinear 4-dimensional parameter space that, as far as I can see is best explored by ear. The underlying mathematics break down under high modulation indices. Both these techniques appear to have this interesting tension between rigid formalism and unruly organic behaviour, and the piece attempts to explore this complex space.

A purely electronic version of the piece was composed during spring 2025, and an opportunity presented itself to render it on the computer controllable pipe organ og the Orgelpark in Amsterdam. The acoustic pipe organ sound complements the natural sonic processes of the L-system, and starving the air pressure of the organ pipes complements the nonlinear behaviour of the feedback FM technique.
 
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Date2026-03-09 21:48
FromAaron Krister Johnson
SubjectRe: [Csnd] OT: Release, A Gordian Not
Nice, a great example of "maximalism", complexity, and controlled chaos. Not relaxing, nor easy listening, but it creates a very "pleasantly, disturbingly weird" strong mood!

I do like that you chose somewhat mellow instruments that could assert themselves, but never got too harsh. I don't know if I'd have sat through the whole thing if it felt like an assault, but you managed to keep the "assault factor" in the music itself, and the timbres were never magnifying that, which I think was excellent and kept me drawn in.



On Wed, Mar 4, 2026 at 3:27 PM Oeyvind Brandtsegg <obrandts@gmail.com> wrote:
Music release today. 
Partly based on the Granular FM technique that Victor and I wrote about for the last Csound conference. Partly also based on Lsystem rhythmic motive exploration. And in addition to Csound, I doubled some of the stems on the acoustic OSC-controlled pipe organ in Orgelpark/Amsterdam.

https://kropputengrenser.bandcamp.com/track/yvind-brandtsegg-a-gordian-not-spor20

Hope you enjoy
Øyvind

The full description here:
The piece is based on two organic influences: A melodic Lindenmayer system, and a feedback FM technique within granular synthesis. A Lindenmayer system is a formalisation of growth processes in trees and plants, and the branching patterns have here been translated to rhythmic and melodic patterns. When a stem splits out into 2,3 or more branches, these patterns were used to create rhythmic subdivisions within the available time for each stem. This creates somewhat odd polyrhythms that are not easily represented by traditional notation. Similarly, the angle of each branch is translated to melodic intervals, creating self-similar motifs on several layers when the process is applied repeatedly. The feedback FM technique heard in the beginning and very end of the piece is based on an experiment in stabilizing the pitch drift one would normally get with frequency modulation feedback with simple oscillators. Allowing the modulation feedback to happen within each sonic particle of a granular process, the pitch is reset for each new grain and thus more feedback modulation can be applied before it destabilizes itself. Regulating grain size, grain pitch, modulation index, and feedback phase delay, one gets a complex nonlinear 4-dimensional parameter space that, as far as I can see is best explored by ear. The underlying mathematics break down under high modulation indices. Both these techniques appear to have this interesting tension between rigid formalism and unruly organic behaviour, and the piece attempts to explore this complex space.

A purely electronic version of the piece was composed during spring 2025, and an opportunity presented itself to render it on the computer controllable pipe organ og the Orgelpark in Amsterdam. The acoustic pipe organ sound complements the natural sonic processes of the L-system, and starving the air pressure of the organ pipes complements the nonlinear behaviour of the feedback FM technique.
 
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