Let me start by saying that I enjoy CLI applications. I use many of 
them, and in my small Python projects, to make my life easier and, 
admittedly, due to a lack of expertise, I tend to avoid developing any 
GUIs. Beyond having simpler code, CLI programs are undoubtedly more 
accessible because screen readers—software that converts screen content 
into synthetic speech and Braille—have no issues reading console 
content, whereas they might struggle with graphical window objects. This 
largely depends on how those objects were programmed.

In general, the more standard the objects are, such as those created 
with the wxPython library, the more accessible they are. On the other 
hand, some libraries create objects that are not detectable by the 
assistive technologies I use.

I mention this to emphasize that if there were no alternatives, I’m 
already prepared to stay in the terminal, and this wouldn’t be an issue. 
By the way, I just read online that there’s a VSCode extension for 
CSound. VSCode is my IDE, so I’ll undoubtedly be writing my source code 
using that extension, which would be amazing if it could assist with 
autocompletion.

Now, onto my question: Do you know of any Windows frontend application 
that implements accessibility features?

Thank you all in advance. Wishing you a wonderful day!
Gabe

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There are various:  CsoundQt, Cabbage, Blue, and the WebIDE, for example. Look in csound.com.

By the way, the spelling of the name of the system is Csound not CSound.

Welcome to the community.

best
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> Let me start by saying that I enjoy CLI applications. I use many of
> them, and in my small Python projects, to make my life easier and,
> admittedly, due to a lack of expertise, I tend to avoid developing any
> GUIs. Beyond having simpler code, CLI programs are undoubtedly more
> accessible because screen readers—software that converts screen content
> into synthetic speech and Braille—have no issues reading console
> content, whereas they might struggle with graphical window objects. This
> largely depends on how those objects were programmed.
>
> In general, the more standard the objects are, such as those created
> with the wxPython library, the more accessible they are. On the other
> hand, some libraries create objects that are not detectable by the
> assistive technologies I use.
>
> I mention this to emphasize that if there were no alternatives, I’m
> already prepared to stay in the terminal, and this wouldn’t be an issue.
> By the way, I just read online that there’s a VSCode extension for
> CSound. VSCode is my IDE, so I’ll undoubtedly be writing my source code
> using that extension, which would be amazing if it could assist with
> autocompletion.
>
> Now, onto my question: Do you know of any Windows frontend application
> that implements accessibility features?
>
> Thank you all in advance. Wishing you a wonderful day!
> Gabe
>
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Hi Gabe,
I have read somewhere that Cabbage has accessibility support now. I don't know 
if that has been tested by blind users before. Cabbage is used to develop 
audio plugins, like VST or AU for Logic.

If you are happy with writing code, I still think your best bet is a good 
editor or general development IDE and pure Csound. I do love my terminal 
though. So, if you have a relatively modern system go and explore the others. 
The webIDE would probably be my starting point.

Best wishes,

Jeanette

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Il 05/01/2025 10:21, Victor Lazzarini ha scritto:
> There are various:  CsoundQt, Cabbage, Blue, and the WebIDE, for example. Look in csound.com.

Hello and thanks for your answer.

Yep, I saw them but I was hoping to read some opinions before to install 
them to try. Anyway, doing that is maybe the only way to know about 
their accessibility level. I'll try Cabage whichis based on QT6 library.


> By the way, the spelling of the name of the system is Csound not CSound.

Many Thanks: Csound, I'll keep it from now on.


> Welcome to the community.
>
Thank you, have a great day.

Gabe.

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Il 05/01/2025 11:40, Jeanette C. ha scritto:
> Hi Gabe,
> I have read somewhere that Cabbage has accessibility support now. I 
> don't know if that has been tested by blind users before. Cabbage is 
> used to develop audio plugins, like VST or AU for Logic.
>
Good News, Jaenette.

Thanks.

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Il 05/01/2025 12:38, Rory Walsh ha scritto:
> Whatever accessibility features that are in the current version of 
> Cabbage, version 2, are provided by the JUCE library and have never 
> been tested as far as I am aware. I am not sure it will make a good 
> fit. I think vs-code and the csound-plugin extension are the best way 
> forward here. Cabbage 3 will be a vscode extension too, so once that 
> drops you'll have a way to develop interfaces using JSON code and 
> won't need to change editor.

Hi.

Just tested Cabbage under Win11 and NVDA.

It's accessibility is around 5 up to 10%, almost nothing.

Unistalled.

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Hi Gabe,
with the latest JUCE support and Cabbage 3 you may have more luck. I know that 
JUCE has implemented accessibility in the latest versions, but it will only 
work on Windows. So, perhaps wait for Cabbage 3.

Best wishes,

Jeanette

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Il 05/01/2025 13:16, Jeanette C. ha scritto:
> Hi Gabe,
> with the latest JUCE support and Cabbage 3 you may have more luck. I 
> know that JUCE has implemented accessibility in the latest versions, 
> but it will only work on Windows. So, perhaps wait for Cabbage 3.

Nice. I'm on Windows only so... let see how it changes in the next release.

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