[Csnd] Table Size Limitation in grain opcode

[Csnd] Table Size Limitation in grain opcode

Date	2018-11-21 08:23
From	Alex Weiss
Subject	[Csnd] Table Size Limitation in grain opcode
	Hi all, How hard would it be to remove the non-deferred table length and non-power-of-two limitation of the grain opcode? It's a great opcode, but the limitations make it somewhat annoying to work with sampled sounds... Thanks, Alex Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2018-11-21 09:04
From	Rory Walsh
Subject	Re: [Csnd] Table Size Limitation in grain opcode
	This would be great. I was thinking the same myself recently. On Wed 21 Nov 2018, 08:23 Alex Weiss <alexweiss86@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, How hard would it be to remove the non-deferred table length and non-power-of-two limitation of the grain opcode? It's a great opcode, but the limitations make it somewhat annoying to work with sampled sounds... Thanks, Alex Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2018-11-21 09:21
From	Victor Lazzarini
Subject	Re: [Csnd] Table Size Limitation in grain opcode
	We can look into this, but there are much better granular synthesis opcodes. Grain is very basic. ======================== Prof. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, Maynooth University, Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland Tel: 00 353 7086936 Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > On 21 Nov 2018, at 08:23, Alex Weiss wrote: > > Hi all, > > How hard would it be to remove the non-deferred table length and non-power-of-two limitation of the grain opcode? It's a great opcode, but the limitations make it somewhat annoying to work with sampled sounds... > > Thanks, > Alex > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2018-11-21 09:32
From	Victor Lazzarini
Subject	Re: [Csnd] Table Size Limitation in grain opcode
	I looked at the code and grain uses integer indexing maths (like oscil/oscili/oscil3), therefore the limitation cannot be removed without modifying the code substantially. Since we are not considering changing oscil etc, I think we should keep grain as is. best ======================== Prof. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, Maynooth University, Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland Tel: 00 353 7086936 Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > On 21 Nov 2018, at 09:21, Victor Lazzarini wrote: > > We can look into this, but there are much better granular synthesis opcodes. Grain is very basic. > ======================== > Prof. Victor Lazzarini > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, > Maynooth University, > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland > Tel: 00 353 7086936 > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > >> On 21 Nov 2018, at 08:23, Alex Weiss wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> How hard would it be to remove the non-deferred table length and non-power-of-two limitation of the grain opcode? It's a great opcode, but the limitations make it somewhat annoying to work with sampled sounds... >> >> Thanks, >> Alex >> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > > Csound mailing list > Csound@listserv.heanet.ie > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND > Send bugs reports to > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2018-11-21 09:37
From	Alex Weiss
Subject	Re: [Csnd] Table Size Limitation in grain opcode
	Ah but see, it's the simplicity of it I like! But I'll just go back to using the closest power of 2. Thanks for checking. Alex On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 01:21 Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote: We can look into this, but there are much better granular synthesis opcodes. Grain is very basic. ======================== Prof. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, Maynooth University, Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland Tel: 00 353 7086936 Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > On 21 Nov 2018, at 08:23, Alex Weiss <alexweiss86@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > How hard would it be to remove the non-deferred table length and non-power-of-two limitation of the grain opcode? It's a great opcode, but the limitations make it somewhat annoying to work with sampled sounds... > > Thanks, > Alex > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2018-11-21 09:41
From	Victor Lazzarini
Subject	Re: [Csnd] Table Size Limitation in grain opcode
	Just had an idea: we could make a version that uses floating-point instead of fixed-point maths if the table is found to be non-power-of-two, therefore leaving the original as is, but supporting other tables. Leave it with me. ======================== Prof. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, Maynooth University, Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland Tel: 00 353 7086936 Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > On 21 Nov 2018, at 09:37, Alex Weiss wrote: > > Ah but see, it's the simplicity of it I like! But I'll just go back to using the closest power of 2. Thanks for checking. > > Alex > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 01:21 Victor Lazzarini wrote: > We can look into this, but there are much better granular synthesis opcodes. Grain is very basic. > ======================== > Prof. Victor Lazzarini > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, > Maynooth University, > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland > Tel: 00 353 7086936 > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > > > On 21 Nov 2018, at 08:23, Alex Weiss wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > How hard would it be to remove the non-deferred table length and non-power-of-two limitation of the grain opcode? It's a great opcode, but the limitations make it somewhat annoying to work with sampled sounds... > > > > Thanks, > > Alex > > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > > Csound mailing list > Csound@listserv.heanet.ie > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND > Send bugs reports to > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2018-11-21 11:11
From	Victor Lazzarini
Subject	Re: [Csnd] Table Size Limitation in grain opcode
	Done. seems to work (minimal testing). ======================== Prof. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, Maynooth University, Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland Tel: 00 353 7086936 Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > On 21 Nov 2018, at 09:41, Victor Lazzarini wrote: > > Just had an idea: we could make a version that uses floating-point instead of fixed-point maths if > the table is found to be non-power-of-two, therefore leaving the original as is, but supporting other > tables. > > Leave it with me. > ======================== > Prof. Victor Lazzarini > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, > Maynooth University, > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland > Tel: 00 353 7086936 > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > >> On 21 Nov 2018, at 09:37, Alex Weiss wrote: >> >> Ah but see, it's the simplicity of it I like! But I'll just go back to using the closest power of 2. Thanks for checking. >> >> Alex >> >> On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 01:21 Victor Lazzarini wrote: >> We can look into this, but there are much better granular synthesis opcodes. Grain is very basic. >> ======================== >> Prof. Victor Lazzarini >> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, >> Maynooth University, >> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland >> Tel: 00 353 7086936 >> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 >> >>> On 21 Nov 2018, at 08:23, Alex Weiss wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> How hard would it be to remove the non-deferred table length and non-power-of-two limitation of the grain opcode? It's a great opcode, but the limitations make it somewhat annoying to work with sampled sounds... >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Alex >>> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> >> Csound mailing list >> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie >> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND >> Send bugs reports to >> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > > Csound mailing list > Csound@listserv.heanet.ie > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND > Send bugs reports to > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2018-11-21 15:10
From	Rory Walsh
Subject	Re: [Csnd] Table Size Limitation in grain opcode
	Nice one Victor. On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 at 11:11, Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote: Done. seems to work (minimal testing). ======================== Prof. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, Maynooth University, Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland Tel: 00 353 7086936 Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > On 21 Nov 2018, at 09:41, Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@MU.IE> wrote: > > Just had an idea: we could make a version that uses floating-point instead of fixed-point maths if > the table is found to be non-power-of-two, therefore leaving the original as is, but supporting other > tables. > > Leave it with me. > ======================== > Prof. Victor Lazzarini > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, > Maynooth University, > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland > Tel: 00 353 7086936 > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > >> On 21 Nov 2018, at 09:37, Alex Weiss <alexweiss86@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Ah but see, it's the simplicity of it I like! But I'll just go back to using the closest power of 2. Thanks for checking. >> >> Alex >> >> On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 01:21 Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote: >> We can look into this, but there are much better granular synthesis opcodes. Grain is very basic. >> ======================== >> Prof. Victor Lazzarini >> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, >> Maynooth University, >> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland >> Tel: 00 353 7086936 >> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 >> >>> On 21 Nov 2018, at 08:23, Alex Weiss <alexweiss86@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> How hard would it be to remove the non-deferred table length and non-power-of-two limitation of the grain opcode? It's a great opcode, but the limitations make it somewhat annoying to work with sampled sounds... >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Alex >>> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> >> Csound mailing list >> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie >> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND >> Send bugs reports to >> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > > Csound mailing list > Csound@listserv.heanet.ie > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND > Send bugs reports to > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2018-11-21 19:57
From	Alex Weiss
Subject	Re: [Csnd] Table Size Limitation in grain opcode
	Amazing! Thanks so much. None of the commercial software packages I use have such great support... On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 07:10 Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote: Nice one Victor. On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 at 11:11, Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote: Done. seems to work (minimal testing). ======================== Prof. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, Maynooth University, Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland Tel: 00 353 7086936 Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > On 21 Nov 2018, at 09:41, Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@MU.IE> wrote: > > Just had an idea: we could make a version that uses floating-point instead of fixed-point maths if > the table is found to be non-power-of-two, therefore leaving the original as is, but supporting other > tables. > > Leave it with me. > ======================== > Prof. Victor Lazzarini > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, > Maynooth University, > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland > Tel: 00 353 7086936 > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > >> On 21 Nov 2018, at 09:37, Alex Weiss <alexweiss86@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Ah but see, it's the simplicity of it I like! But I'll just go back to using the closest power of 2. Thanks for checking. >> >> Alex >> >> On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 01:21 Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote: >> We can look into this, but there are much better granular synthesis opcodes. Grain is very basic. >> ======================== >> Prof. Victor Lazzarini >> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, >> Maynooth University, >> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland >> Tel: 00 353 7086936 >> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 >> >>> On 21 Nov 2018, at 08:23, Alex Weiss <alexweiss86@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> How hard would it be to remove the non-deferred table length and non-power-of-two limitation of the grain opcode? It's a great opcode, but the limitations make it somewhat annoying to work with sampled sounds... >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Alex >>> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> >> Csound mailing list >> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie >> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND >> Send bugs reports to >> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > > Csound mailing list > Csound@listserv.heanet.ie > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND > Send bugs reports to > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2018-11-21 20:15
From	Victor Lazzarini
Subject	Re: [Csnd] Table Size Limitation in grain opcode
	I'm most obliged, hope it does the trick. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy Maynooth University Ireland On 21 Nov 2018, at 19:58, Alex Weiss <alexweiss86@GMAIL.COM> wrote: Amazing! Thanks so much. None of the commercial software packages I use have such great support... On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 07:10 Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote: Nice one Victor. On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 at 11:11, Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote: Done. seems to work (minimal testing). ======================== Prof. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, Maynooth University, Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland Tel: 00 353 7086936 Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > On 21 Nov 2018, at 09:41, Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@MU.IE> wrote: > > Just had an idea: we could make a version that uses floating-point instead of fixed-point maths if > the table is found to be non-power-of-two, therefore leaving the original as is, but supporting other > tables. > > Leave it with me. > ======================== > Prof. Victor Lazzarini > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, > Maynooth University, > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland > Tel: 00 353 7086936 > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > >> On 21 Nov 2018, at 09:37, Alex Weiss <alexweiss86@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Ah but see, it's the simplicity of it I like! But I'll just go back to using the closest power of 2. Thanks for checking. >> >> Alex >> >> On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 01:21 Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote: >> We can look into this, but there are much better granular synthesis opcodes. Grain is very basic. >> ======================== >> Prof. Victor Lazzarini >> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, >> Maynooth University, >> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland >> Tel: 00 353 7086936 >> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 >> >>> On 21 Nov 2018, at 08:23, Alex Weiss <alexweiss86@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> How hard would it be to remove the non-deferred table length and non-power-of-two limitation of the grain opcode? It's a great opcode, but the limitations make it somewhat annoying to work with sampled sounds... >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Alex >>> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> >> Csound mailing list >> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie >> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND >> Send bugs reports to >> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > > Csound mailing list > Csound@listserv.heanet.ie > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND > Send bugs reports to > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2018-11-21 20:41
From	Alex Weiss
Subject	Re: [Csnd] Table Size Limitation in grain opcode
	So Rory, how soon are we going to see a GrainFilePlayer in Cabbage? :) On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 12:16 Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote: I'm most obliged, hope it does the trick. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy Maynooth University Ireland On 21 Nov 2018, at 19:58, Alex Weiss <alexweiss86@GMAIL.COM> wrote: Amazing! Thanks so much. None of the commercial software packages I use have such great support... On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 07:10 Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote: Nice one Victor. On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 at 11:11, Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote: Done. seems to work (minimal testing). ======================== Prof. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, Maynooth University, Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland Tel: 00 353 7086936 Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > On 21 Nov 2018, at 09:41, Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@MU.IE> wrote: > > Just had an idea: we could make a version that uses floating-point instead of fixed-point maths if > the table is found to be non-power-of-two, therefore leaving the original as is, but supporting other > tables. > > Leave it with me. > ======================== > Prof. Victor Lazzarini > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, > Maynooth University, > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland > Tel: 00 353 7086936 > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > >> On 21 Nov 2018, at 09:37, Alex Weiss <alexweiss86@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Ah but see, it's the simplicity of it I like! But I'll just go back to using the closest power of 2. Thanks for checking. >> >> Alex >> >> On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 01:21 Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote: >> We can look into this, but there are much better granular synthesis opcodes. Grain is very basic. >> ======================== >> Prof. Victor Lazzarini >> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, >> Maynooth University, >> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland >> Tel: 00 353 7086936 >> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 >> >>> On 21 Nov 2018, at 08:23, Alex Weiss <alexweiss86@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> How hard would it be to remove the non-deferred table length and non-power-of-two limitation of the grain opcode? It's a great opcode, but the limitations make it somewhat annoying to work with sampled sounds... >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Alex >>> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> >> Csound mailing list >> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie >> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND >> Send bugs reports to >> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > > Csound mailing list > Csound@listserv.heanet.ie > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND > Send bugs reports to > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2018-11-21 22:39
From	Rory Walsh
Subject	Re: [Csnd] Table Size Limitation in grain opcode
	You should ask Iain 🤣 On Wed 21 Nov 2018, 20:41 Alex Weiss <alexweiss86@gmail.com wrote: So Rory, how soon are we going to see a GrainFilePlayer in Cabbage? :) On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 12:16 Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote: I'm most obliged, hope it does the trick. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy Maynooth University Ireland On 21 Nov 2018, at 19:58, Alex Weiss <alexweiss86@GMAIL.COM> wrote: Amazing! Thanks so much. None of the commercial software packages I use have such great support... On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 07:10 Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote: Nice one Victor. On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 at 11:11, Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote: Done. seems to work (minimal testing). ======================== Prof. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, Maynooth University, Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland Tel: 00 353 7086936 Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > On 21 Nov 2018, at 09:41, Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@MU.IE> wrote: > > Just had an idea: we could make a version that uses floating-point instead of fixed-point maths if > the table is found to be non-power-of-two, therefore leaving the original as is, but supporting other > tables. > > Leave it with me. > ======================== > Prof. Victor Lazzarini > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, > Maynooth University, > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland > Tel: 00 353 7086936 > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > >> On 21 Nov 2018, at 09:37, Alex Weiss <alexweiss86@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Ah but see, it's the simplicity of it I like! But I'll just go back to using the closest power of 2. Thanks for checking. >> >> Alex >> >> On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 01:21 Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote: >> We can look into this, but there are much better granular synthesis opcodes. Grain is very basic. >> ======================== >> Prof. Victor Lazzarini >> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, >> Maynooth University, >> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland >> Tel: 00 353 7086936 >> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 >> >>> On 21 Nov 2018, at 08:23, Alex Weiss <alexweiss86@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> How hard would it be to remove the non-deferred table length and non-power-of-two limitation of the grain opcode? It's a great opcode, but the limitations make it somewhat annoying to work with sampled sounds... >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Alex >>> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> >> Csound mailing list >> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie >> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND >> Send bugs reports to >> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > > Csound mailing list > Csound@listserv.heanet.ie > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND > Send bugs reports to > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2018-11-21 23:27
From	Alex Weiss
Subject	Re: [Csnd] Table Size Limitation in grain opcode
	If I pull from GitHub and build it, will that include your changes, Victor? Still new to this... On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 12:16 Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote: I'm most obliged, hope it does the trick. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy Maynooth University Ireland On 21 Nov 2018, at 19:58, Alex Weiss <alexweiss86@GMAIL.COM> wrote: Amazing! Thanks so much. None of the commercial software packages I use have such great support... On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 07:10 Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote: Nice one Victor. On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 at 11:11, Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote: Done. seems to work (minimal testing). ======================== Prof. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, Maynooth University, Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland Tel: 00 353 7086936 Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > On 21 Nov 2018, at 09:41, Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@MU.IE> wrote: > > Just had an idea: we could make a version that uses floating-point instead of fixed-point maths if > the table is found to be non-power-of-two, therefore leaving the original as is, but supporting other > tables. > > Leave it with me. > ======================== > Prof. Victor Lazzarini > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, > Maynooth University, > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland > Tel: 00 353 7086936 > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > >> On 21 Nov 2018, at 09:37, Alex Weiss <alexweiss86@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Ah but see, it's the simplicity of it I like! But I'll just go back to using the closest power of 2. Thanks for checking. >> >> Alex >> >> On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 01:21 Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote: >> We can look into this, but there are much better granular synthesis opcodes. Grain is very basic. >> ======================== >> Prof. Victor Lazzarini >> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, >> Maynooth University, >> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland >> Tel: 00 353 7086936 >> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 >> >>> On 21 Nov 2018, at 08:23, Alex Weiss <alexweiss86@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> How hard would it be to remove the non-deferred table length and non-power-of-two limitation of the grain opcode? It's a great opcode, but the limitations make it somewhat annoying to work with sampled sounds... >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Alex >>> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> >> Csound mailing list >> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie >> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND >> Send bugs reports to >> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > > Csound mailing list > Csound@listserv.heanet.ie > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND > Send bugs reports to > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2018-11-21 23:34
From	Victor Lazzarini
Subject	Re: [Csnd] Table Size Limitation in grain opcode
	yes, from the develop branch. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy Maynooth University Ireland On 21 Nov 2018, at 23:27, Alex Weiss <alexweiss86@GMAIL.COM> wrote: If I pull from GitHub and build it, will that include your changes, Victor? Still new to this... On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 12:16 Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote: I'm most obliged, hope it does the trick. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy Maynooth University Ireland On 21 Nov 2018, at 19:58, Alex Weiss <alexweiss86@GMAIL.COM> wrote: Amazing! Thanks so much. None of the commercial software packages I use have such great support... On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 07:10 Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote: Nice one Victor. On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 at 11:11, Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote: Done. seems to work (minimal testing). ======================== Prof. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, Maynooth University, Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland Tel: 00 353 7086936 Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > On 21 Nov 2018, at 09:41, Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@MU.IE> wrote: > > Just had an idea: we could make a version that uses floating-point instead of fixed-point maths if > the table is found to be non-power-of-two, therefore leaving the original as is, but supporting other > tables. > > Leave it with me. > ======================== > Prof. Victor Lazzarini > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, > Maynooth University, > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland > Tel: 00 353 7086936 > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > >> On 21 Nov 2018, at 09:37, Alex Weiss <alexweiss86@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Ah but see, it's the simplicity of it I like! But I'll just go back to using the closest power of 2. Thanks for checking. >> >> Alex >> >> On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 01:21 Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote: >> We can look into this, but there are much better granular synthesis opcodes. Grain is very basic. >> ======================== >> Prof. Victor Lazzarini >> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, >> Maynooth University, >> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland >> Tel: 00 353 7086936 >> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 >> >>> On 21 Nov 2018, at 08:23, Alex Weiss <alexweiss86@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> How hard would it be to remove the non-deferred table length and non-power-of-two limitation of the grain opcode? It's a great opcode, but the limitations make it somewhat annoying to work with sampled sounds... >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Alex >>> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> >> Csound mailing list >> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie >> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND >> Send bugs reports to >> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > > Csound mailing list > Csound@listserv.heanet.ie > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND > Send bugs reports to > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here