--- Mike Berry wrote: but what you are talking about is NOT randomness as it should be defined inside an orchestra! You are in --- end of quote --- well- i can see times where a composer (maybe one who had not gone through a cagean-worship graduate program like some of us) would want to recreate a specific stream of pseudorandom numbers... that said, i think backwards compatibility is not that big of an issue, as i said before i have loads of orchestras that used to work but dont now due to changes in csound. i think "forwards compatibility" is important - which specifying a seed value is all about... this is my last post on this thread.