douglas (aka glimrboy) who is cc'd on this thread but not on csound list could probably answer this better than me. On PPC, the Be IDE is Metrowerks, which is for the most part is same as Mac IDE.. (lathough i think now default compiler is now gnu..) There's some sort of IDE (fairly new) on the Intel side but i havnet seen it. Msfts "Visual" IDE is one of the most poorly designed programs i have ever worked in. I honestly believe it greatly contributed to my beginnings of RSI (which led me to quitting my job -- didnt want to risk my clarinet playing) Toolbars on every edge of the screen, leaving a tiny window for about 10 lines of code on the monitor i was given...drove me crazy - would rather just use makefiles... you can be a "hobby" developer for free -- i dont know how much of the developer release stuff you get with that, since i am getting all mine through the school here - but i need to find out since im out of here in 2 weeks... www.be.com matt --- Gabriel Maldonado wrote: What about the C-compilers and high level languages? There is a sort of visual basic in BeOS? Is the C IDE and symbol browser evolved enough (as MSVC)? I'm very interested in BeOS, where can I get a copy for my intel computer in Italy? Happy BeOSing Gab