excuse me for posting this again i finally got to the solution but is still abit confused i became to think that maybe i did wrong to the installed 5.05@osx10.3.9 so i did the re-install but it was still the same i found out that csound is automatically re-writing the command in itself (this was because my command was missing some? might be..) tested some variattions(the last one might be the one); $ cs -A oil.orc oil.sco found orchestra file: ./oil.orc found score file: ./oil.sco command line: csound -W -d -m135 -H1 -s oil.sco -o oil.wav ./oil.orc ./oil.sco Localisation of messages is disabled, using default language. PortMIDI real time MIDI plugin for Csound PortAudio real-time audio module for Csound virtual_keyboard real time MIDI plugin for Csound 0dBFS level = 32768.0 Csound version 5.05 (float samples) Mar 6 2007 libsndfile-1.0.16 argc=1 Additional string "./oil.sco" ... flag defaults: csound -s -otest -b1024 -B4096 -m135 Csound Command ERROR: too many arguments $ cs -A ./oil.orc ./oil.sco found orchestra file: ./oil.orc found score file: ./oil.sco command line: csound -W -d -m135 -H1 -s ./oil.sco -o oil.wav ./oil.orc ./oil.sco ... Csound Command ERROR: too many arguments $ cs oil found orchestra file: ./oil.orc found score file: ./oil.sco command line: csound -W -d -m135 -H1 -s -o oil.wav ./oil.orc ./oil.sco ... Score finished in csoundPerform(). inactive allocs returned to freespace end of score. overall amps: 22321.9 22570.3 overall samples out of range: 0 0 0 errors in performance Elapsed time at end of performance: real: 15.807s, CPU: 7.140s 646 4096-byte soundblks of shorts written to oil.wav (WAV) $ cs -A oil found orchestra file: ./oil.orc found score file: ./oil.sco command line: csound -W -d -m135 -H1 -s -o oil.wav ./oil.orc ./oil.sco ... 0 errors in performance Elapsed time at end of performance: real: 14.338s, CPU: 6.870s 646 4096-byte soundblks of shorts written to oil.wav (WAV) $ cs -A -o oil.aif oil.orc oil.sco cs: no name was specified $ csound -A -o oil.aif oil.orc oil.sco Localisation of messages is disabled, using default language. PortMIDI real time MIDI plugin for Csound PortAudio real-time audio module for Csound virtual_keyboard real time MIDI plugin for Csound 0dBFS level = 32768.0 Csound version 5.05 (float samples) Mar 6 2007 ... 0 errors in performance Elapsed time at end of performance: real: 17.805s, CPU: 10.060s 646 4096-byte soundblks of shorts written to oil.aif (AIFF) well ... now i think i can use cs as is but is this as is what cs used to behave like? the stangest point at this moment became "why doesn't cs -A -o oil.aif oil.orc oil.sc do its job?" tia -- 2g http://micro.ispretty.com