Just to note: > There are Java stuff but Java really behaves bad in browsers (seizes you > browser until the vm starts and the contents get loaded) and usually results > in glitchy audio (which might be good for some music though) in most systems > so I've never considered it as an option. I don't know about the glitchy audio, but with recent versions of the JVM (6.0u10 and up, they are on 6.0u12 now), there was a major change in the Java browser plugin to no longer seize the browser. Apps will actually run in their own process now. So opening a web page with a Java applet will now just behave as one would want while the plugin goes and loads away in a separate process. There are still some issues with the new applets when you drag them from the browser to run in their own window, but if you don't use that feature then you shouldn't have any problems I think (at least, that's the biggest issue I've come across personally). steven