The sampled piano on my Oasys kills the pianoteq, but at the same time, i
can't load scala files into the oasys and I can't do really weird stuff with
it, the modelling aspect of pianoteq works great for really strange tweaked
piano sounds.

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Michael Gogins <gogins@pipeline.com> wrote:

> Thanks for your very interesting post on this very important topic.
>
> I tried the experiment you recommend just now, with J.S. Bach BMV 533, an
> organ piece with a lot of range and a lot of stuff including block triads in
> it, the Pianoteq, and the sfz freeware Sound Font 2 plugin with the free
> Piano Steinway Grand Model C (21,738KB).sf2 SoundFont in Cubase 4.
>
> In short, I find both pianos quite usable, but I still slightly prefer the
> Pianoteq.
>
> Some additional comments....
>
> With the Pianoteq, I can indeed hear the beating you describe. For me, in
> the passage work and in melodies that I played or that were sequenced, it is
> not objectionable. Also, I could reduce the beating to almost nothing by
> increasing the octave stretch, or by using well temperament instead of equal
> temperament. I suspect that in any given key, you can do something to
> eliminate all the beating completely.
>
> The Pianoteq has a more even range, no recording artifacts (of course), and
> is in better tune (in spite of the beats).
>
> Any given note on the SoundFont definitely sounds more like a piano,
> because of course it is a recording of one, but the unified effect is more
> jarring to my ears, because of recording artifacts, uneven range, and so on.
>
> But I tried several free SoundFont pianos, and they were each quite
> different, so I suspect a commercial sampled piano could be better --
> perhaps quite a bit better.
>
> I think for some textures, I would use the SoundFont for its sweeter, more
> piano-like sound, but for most textures where the behavior of the instrument
> is important, I would use the Pianoteq.
>
> In sum, for me the Pianoteq paints a more unified picture of a piano-like
> sound, even if the sound is not quite as much like a piano. And, of course,
> it BEHAVES a lot more like a piano than the SoundFonts do.
>
> Finally, I use these instruments in ways that most composers for the piano
> do not. I use thicker textures, more notes, more rapid notes, more precise
> timing, and so on. In these contexts, the more tractable behavior of the
> Pianoteq is more useful -- until it completely runs out of notes! This is
> something that the SoundFonts just don't do, since they don't eat computer
> power the way the Pianoteq does.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Michael Mossey <mpm@alumni.caltech.edu>
> >Sent: Aug 19, 2008 6:15 PM
> >To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> >Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Modeled piano- Pianoteq
> >
> >
> >
> >Michael Gogins wrote:
> >> I have used, and continue to use, the Pianoteq quite frequently. In
> >> my view it is not the only piano plugin one might want to use, but
> >> for me at any rate, it is certainly the most useful. The big chords
> >> are not as convincing as a sampled piano, but everything else is more
> >> convincing.
> >
> >I guess I'm the only one then. I played with it some more---tried
> >different stretch tuning, etc. The intervals are just harsh and
> >artificial sounding.. they have very odd-sounding beats. Michael, have
> >you tried playing a simple triad on Pianoteq vs. a sampled piano? Have
> >you tried sequencing a Bach choral, in slow motion, so you can savor the
> >harmonies?
> >
> >
> >I agree that individual notes are fantastic. A single melodic line WOULD
> >be great, except I can't get past the beats that take place in the
> >release sound and in the ambiance. A single melodic line is often filled
> >with major and minor seconds, which are the hardest intervals for me to
> >accept on the Pianoteq.
> >
> >Best,
> >Mike
> >
> >
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