Has Brahms been mentioned, as a candidate for the the latter ? All noisy stuff I seem to remember, hardly sleep inducing. I.X. mentioned him in his interview with Curtis Roads on the L'Egende D' Er dvd, but as I remember not as a fount, more as controlling sound masses well or something. I'll check that. Introducing new material well, perhaps. My knowledge of concert music is thin, so I'm sorry not to be able to put forward any German or English composer names. jpff taking his time batting this one out, with no real challenges so far. > and enjoyed many > pieces., Only two composers had the "distinction" of my falling asleep > during a concert while playinf their pieces;one English amd one German.wrt > to the later I really cannot see the point of his maundering depression, > but otrhers seem to think he is the pinicle. Strangely.my musocal hero, > Iannis Xenakis who I only met twice and got him an honori]ly Doctorate, > though he was the fount of music. > Any suggestin sas who these two were? > > > Aesthetics are so individual... > > ==John ff Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"