Okay, managed to add that. It's in CVS and I've placed a beta at: http://www.kunstmusik.com/blue_0.120.0_beta_installer.jar The shortcut to use is shift-F2 and it will open up the manual CSD example blue finds it in the documentation directory. Thanks for mentioning the feature! steven On Dec 4, 2007 9:04 AM, Peiman Khosravi wrote: > That sounds great! > Thanks Steven > > Peiman > > On 4 Dec 2007, at 16:25, Steven Yi wrote: > > > Hi Peiman, > > > > Brian mentioned the shift-F1 option, but a way to open example CSD's > > for an opcode does sound interesting though and shouldn't take long to > > implement. I think I'll try adding something to blue that will do > > that. Thanks for mentioning that! > > > > steven > > > > On Dec 4, 2007 4:06 AM, Peiman Khosravi > > wrote: > >> Ah wow, this has been a secrete to me for all these years!!! > >> thanks so much > >> :-) > >> > >> Peiman > >> > >> > >> > >> On 4 Dec 2007, at 11:58, Brian Wong wrote: > >> Peiman, > >> > >> blue already has that, just put the cursor on the opcode and press > >> Shift-F1 > >> and it pulls up the page as a new browser tab from your hard drive > >> version > >> of the Csound manual. :) > >> > >> bw > >> ________________________________ > >> > >>> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:42:55 +0000 > >>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk > >>> From: peimankhosravi@gmail.com > >>> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: A funny/sad manual tale > >>> > >>> Hi Steven, > >>> > >>> Relating to the max manual I just wanted to mention that there are > >>> two separate manuals: one for max and one for msp (473 pages). > >>> > >>> Max does have one amazing feature and that is each object comes with > >>> a help patch that you can open by selecting the object and hiting > >>> alt > >>> I think. It would be great if the csound example csds were also > >>> arranged in such a way that one could open them from within an > >>> editor > >>> (say blue!) by right clicking on the selected opcodes (of course it > >>> would also be great to have the ability to open selected opcode's > >>> manual page in blue). But I guess I am diverting a little bit > >>> here :-) > >>> > >>> Peiman > >>> > >>> On 4 Dec 2007, at 06:19, Steven Yi wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi All, > >>>> > >>>> Well, the one thing I would say is that a bulk of the manual is > >>>> reference, while the other part act like a user's manual. I don't > >>>> think anyone is expected to read the entire reference section, but > >>>> rather lookup an opcode here and there when one needs it. One might > >>>> read most of the user's manual section in the beginning > >>>> (sections I, > >>>> II, and II) to get an idea of how Csound works and families of > >>>> opcodes > >>>> to get the big picture, then pick out opcodes here and there as one > >>>> needs it. > >>>> > >>>> Just to note, I have 1257 opcodes listed when I do csound -z. > >>>> This is > >>>> with my local compiled version of Csound and does not include > >>>> all of > >>>> the opcodes which are being built for release. I think some > >>>> formatting > >>>> changes could certainly be done for the PDF version to bring > >>>> down the > >>>> size, but we also have to face that there is a lot of > >>>> information to > >>>> cover. > >>>> > >>>> I just went to cycling74.com and downloaded the manuals for Max > >>>> 4.6. > >>>> To note, the reference manual there is 724 pages and has quite a > >>>> bit > >>>> of white space, opting to have each entry at the top of a page > >>>> which I > >>>> think helps make it quicker to find IMO. This manual has nice fonts > >>>> and layout which might be good to model the Csound manual on. I > >>>> think > >>>> if Max 4.6 came with as many object/opcodes as Csound, it may very > >>>> well have a similar number of pages for a manual if we include the > >>>> pages from the other PDF's there besides the reference (the > >>>> documentation there is split among a number of PDF's). > >>>> > >>>> steven > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Dec 3, 2007 5:54 PM, Charles Gran > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> On 3 Dec 2007 at 16:36, Brent Boylan wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The manual is quite out of hand. > >>>>> . . . > >>>>> > >>>>> Yeah, but I'm not complaining really--considering how great Csound > >>>>> is, and that it's free. But one has to admit that a 2,000 page > >>>>> manual (produced as a PDF no less, which would imply that it is > >>>>> is to > >>>>> be printed) is the kind of document only science people must be > >>>>> used > >>>>> to seeing. Though I suppose there are some 2,000+ page documents > >>>>> people read . . . the Bible? Is this manual bigger than the Bible? > >>>>> Nope, just checked. The Bible is bigger. Thank God! > >>>>> > >>>>> But a manual that musicians use? I can't even get my students to > >>>>> read their harmony textbook, and that thing is about as long as an > >>>>> issue of X-MEN. Big books that musicians read? I don't know. > >>>>> There's that Taruskin book on Stavinsky. I'm reading Alex > >>>>> Ross's THE > >>>>> REST IS NOISE, and he quotes Taruskin all over the place so I > >>>>> assume > >>>>> he read it. But he's a musicologist and they LIKE to read. > >>>>> > >>>>> It would be nice to have a manual that one could get *in hand.* > >>>>> That > >>>>> being said, it's probably better to have the programmers occupied > >>>>> with the program itself. That's always the rub isn't it? One > >>>>> has to > >>>>> know the thing to write about it. > >>>>> > >>>>> Grabbing a fistful of pages out of the box from reprographics, it > >>>>> does seem as though white space could be reclaimed and headings > >>>>> could > >>>>> use smaller fonts. Also, there are these lists, like SIGNAL > >>>>> GENERATORS on p116 and following, that could definitely be > >>>>> typeset in > >>>>> a more contained manner. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Send bugs reports to this list. > >>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body > >>>>> "unsubscribe csound" > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Send bugs reports to this list. > >>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body > >>>> "unsubscribe csound" > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Send bugs reports to this list. > >>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body > >>> "unsubscribe > >> csound" > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> Books, DVD's, gadgets, music and more. 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