Glad you like it and thanks for suggesting it! On Dec 14, 2007 2:32 AM, peiman wrote: > > Hi Steven, > > For some reason I hadn't got your new post in my mailbox and just came > across it on the nabble page. I love the new shift-F1 command, it's > amazingly handy :-) now csound manual and examples are as accessible as the > maxmsp once! > > I also very much appreciate the redesign of the orchestra manager. > > Thanks again > > Best > Peiman > > > > Steven Yi wrote: > > > > Okay, managed to add that. It's in CVS and I've placed a beta at: > > > > http://www.kunstmusik.com/blue_0.120.0_beta_installer.jar > > > > The shortcut to use is shift-F2 and it will open up the manual CSD > > example blue finds it in the documentation directory. > > > > Thanks for mentioning the feature! > > steven > > > > > > On Dec 4, 2007 9:04 AM, Peiman Khosravi wrote: > >> That sounds great! > >> Thanks Steven > >> > >> Peiman > >> > >> On 4 Dec 2007, at 16:25, Steven Yi wrote: > >> > >> > Hi Peiman, > >> > > >> > Brian mentioned the shift-F1 option, but a way to open example CSD's > >> > for an opcode does sound interesting though and shouldn't take long to > >> > implement. I think I'll try adding something to blue that will do > >> > that. Thanks for mentioning that! > >> > > >> > steven > >> > > >> > On Dec 4, 2007 4:06 AM, Peiman Khosravi > >> > wrote: > >> >> Ah wow, this has been a secrete to me for all these years!!! > >> >> thanks so much > >> >> :-) > >> >> > >> >> Peiman > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On 4 Dec 2007, at 11:58, Brian Wong wrote: > >> >> Peiman, > >> >> > >> >> blue already has that, just put the cursor on the opcode and press > >> >> Shift-F1 > >> >> and it pulls up the page as a new browser tab from your hard drive > >> >> version > >> >> of the Csound manual. :) > >> >> > >> >> bw > >> >> ________________________________ > >> >> > >> >>> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:42:55 +0000 > >> >>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk > >> >>> From: peimankhosravi@gmail.com > >> >>> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: A funny/sad manual tale > >> >>> > >> >>> Hi Steven, > >> >>> > >> >>> Relating to the max manual I just wanted to mention that there are > >> >>> two separate manuals: one for max and one for msp (473 pages). > >> >>> > >> >>> Max does have one amazing feature and that is each object comes with > >> >>> a help patch that you can open by selecting the object and hiting > >> >>> alt > >> >>> I think. It would be great if the csound example csds were also > >> >>> arranged in such a way that one could open them from within an > >> >>> editor > >> >>> (say blue!) by right clicking on the selected opcodes (of course it > >> >>> would also be great to have the ability to open selected opcode's > >> >>> manual page in blue). But I guess I am diverting a little bit > >> >>> here :-) > >> >>> > >> >>> Peiman > >> >>> > >> >>> On 4 Dec 2007, at 06:19, Steven Yi wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>> Hi All, > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Well, the one thing I would say is that a bulk of the manual is > >> >>>> reference, while the other part act like a user's manual. I don't > >> >>>> think anyone is expected to read the entire reference section, but > >> >>>> rather lookup an opcode here and there when one needs it. One might > >> >>>> read most of the user's manual section in the beginning > >> >>>> (sections I, > >> >>>> II, and II) to get an idea of how Csound works and families of > >> >>>> opcodes > >> >>>> to get the big picture, then pick out opcodes here and there as one > >> >>>> needs it. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Just to note, I have 1257 opcodes listed when I do csound -z. > >> >>>> This is > >> >>>> with my local compiled version of Csound and does not include > >> >>>> all of > >> >>>> the opcodes which are being built for release. I think some > >> >>>> formatting > >> >>>> changes could certainly be done for the PDF version to bring > >> >>>> down the > >> >>>> size, but we also have to face that there is a lot of > >> >>>> information to > >> >>>> cover. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I just went to cycling74.com and downloaded the manuals for Max > >> >>>> 4.6. > >> >>>> To note, the reference manual there is 724 pages and has quite a > >> >>>> bit > >> >>>> of white space, opting to have each entry at the top of a page > >> >>>> which I > >> >>>> think helps make it quicker to find IMO. This manual has nice fonts > >> >>>> and layout which might be good to model the Csound manual on. I > >> >>>> think > >> >>>> if Max 4.6 came with as many object/opcodes as Csound, it may very > >> >>>> well have a similar number of pages for a manual if we include the > >> >>>> pages from the other PDF's there besides the reference (the > >> >>>> documentation there is split among a number of PDF's). > >> >>>> > >> >>>> steven > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Dec 3, 2007 5:54 PM, Charles Gran > >> >>>> wrote: > >> >>>>> On 3 Dec 2007 at 16:36, Brent Boylan wrote: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> The manual is quite out of hand. > >> >>>>> . . . > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Yeah, but I'm not complaining really--considering how great Csound > >> >>>>> is, and that it's free. But one has to admit that a 2,000 page > >> >>>>> manual (produced as a PDF no less, which would imply that it is > >> >>>>> is to > >> >>>>> be printed) is the kind of document only science people must be > >> >>>>> used > >> >>>>> to seeing. Though I suppose there are some 2,000+ page documents > >> >>>>> people read . . . the Bible? Is this manual bigger than the Bible? > >> >>>>> Nope, just checked. The Bible is bigger. Thank God! > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> But a manual that musicians use? I can't even get my students to > >> >>>>> read their harmony textbook, and that thing is about as long as an > >> >>>>> issue of X-MEN. Big books that musicians read? I don't know. > >> >>>>> There's that Taruskin book on Stavinsky. I'm reading Alex > >> >>>>> Ross's THE > >> >>>>> REST IS NOISE, and he quotes Taruskin all over the place so I > >> >>>>> assume > >> >>>>> he read it. But he's a musicologist and they LIKE to read. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> It would be nice to have a manual that one could get *in hand.* > >> >>>>> That > >> >>>>> being said, it's probably better to have the programmers occupied > >> >>>>> with the program itself. That's always the rub isn't it? One > >> >>>>> has to > >> >>>>> know the thing to write about it. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Grabbing a fistful of pages out of the box from reprographics, it > >> >>>>> does seem as though white space could be reclaimed and headings > >> >>>>> could > >> >>>>> use smaller fonts. Also, there are these lists, like SIGNAL > >> >>>>> GENERATORS on p116 and following, that could definitely be > >> >>>>> typeset in > >> >>>>> a more contained manner. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Send bugs reports to this list. > >> >>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body > >> >>>>> "unsubscribe csound" > >> >>>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Send bugs reports to this list. > >> >>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body > >> >>>> "unsubscribe csound" > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Send bugs reports to this list. > >> >>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body > >> >>> "unsubscribe > >> >> csound" > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ________________________________ > >> >> Books, DVD's, gadgets, music and more. 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