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Re: [Cs-dev] materials needed for Cs5 tests

Date2005-02-25 18:04
From"gogins@pipeline.com"
SubjectRe: [Cs-dev] materials needed for Cs5 tests
Well, I do want to use Csound with music notation software, so CsoundVST
needs to work well as a plugin. I think MIDI input is broken because of
recent changes, but I will definitely fix it.

Actually, I think of CsoundVST as a sort of musical "Swiss Army knife" that
can have all kinds of interfaces and do all kinds of things.

Maybe it should be called CsoundMulti or something or CsoundEx or something.

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Richard Boulanger rboulanger@berklee.edu
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:52:17 -0500
To: csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] materials needed for Cs5 tests


Michael, 

If it's not mainly about VST's and you consider the name to be unfortunate
and misleading, maybe it should be called CsoundPython?

The VST support is great, but as you know, it can be very frustrating to all
the VST users out there who would love Csound to just work "like normal VSTs
do" in all their commercial software.  I think that supporting all the
commercial apps has been a bit of a pain for you.  Hasn't it?  Maybe a
rename would reflect more of the spirit of the program as you use it and as
you have designed it.

Just a thought - this move to Csound5 might be a good time for considering
this?

Rick

on 2/25/05 10:41 AM, gogins@pipeline.com at gogins@pipeline.com wrote:

> CsoundVST despite the unfortunate and misleading name is not mainly about
> VST, it is mainly about that fast working cycle and being able to use
> Python in it.
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Dave Phillips dlphilp@bright.net
> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:11:50 -0500
> To: csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] materials needed for Cs5 tests
> 
> 
> Hi Michael:
> 
> I just discovered your Python scripts in the examples directory. I've
> already begun a brief intro to using CsoundVST as a standalone app, I
> thought I'd combine the Python scripting with that intro. Unfortunately
> I'm not having much luck. Running Koch.py resulted in "opcode missing"
> errors, some apparently minorrenaming is required. I'm not sure I
> understand what's supposed to happen with the Strange Attractor script,
> but it crashed CsoundVST.
> 
> My SoundFont stuff is *not* based on the Fluid opcodes, so yes, I'd
> welcome an example.
> 
> I'm very interested in how you use the Loris stuff. I'm also willing
> to try running the VST stuff under Linux and the libfst system. Could be
> interesting... weird but interesting...
> 
> Thanks again, Michael. Btw, CsoundVST is a neat working environment. I
> open my file, do some edits, hit Perform, edit some more, hit Perform,
> edit some more, and so on, in a very fast cycle.
> 
> Best,
> 
> dp
> 
> 
> gogins@pipeline.com wrote:
> 
>> Topics that should also be covered include:
>> 
>> 1. Loris analysis in Python / resynthesis using Loris opcodes.
>> 2. CsoundVST with Python algorithmic composition (I will contribute an
>> example).
>> 3. Using CsoundVST as a Python extension module (I will contribute an
>> example).
>> 4. Does your SoundFont example use the Fluidsynth-based opcodes? If not,
I
>> can contribute an example.
>> 5. VST plugin opcodes.
>> 
>> Original Message:
>> -----------------
>> From: Dave Phillips dlphilp@bright.net
>> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:53:36 -0500
>> To: csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
>> Subject: [Cs-dev] materials needed for Cs5 tests
>> 
>> 
>> Greetings:
>> 
>>  I've spent the last few days working on organizing a set of tests and
>> examples for newcomers to Cs5. I've taken this list of topics from Dr
>> B's recent message:
>> 
>> Real-time audio I/O *
>> Real-time MIDI I/O *
>> Write to File *
>> 
>> Plugin opcodes
>> UDOs
>> Include files *
>> Multi-Channel Output *
>> InterApplication Communication
>> Python Driven Orcs
>> Changing buffer sizes
>> Analysis and Other Utilities
>> JACK *
>> FTLK *
>> SoundFonts *
>> 
>> Items with * are already done. I can deal with the utilities and buffer
>> size stuff, but I'm soliciting for contributions to the plugins, UDOs,
>> IPC, and Python topics. Those are all outside my domains of interest and
>> I have little or no useful knowledge there.
>> 
>> What other topics ought to be included for this collection ?
>> 
>> I'm looking for brief demonstrations of the topics, not full-bore
>> highly-detailed presentations. I need simple CSD or orc/sco files that
>> clearly show how the topic is implemented in Cs5. For example, I don't
>> want a technical explanation of the plugin API, I want an example that
>> shows a beginner how to install and test a 3rd-party Csound plugin. The
>> emphasis in these examples is on use, not theory. Explanations abound,
>> useful examples do not.
>> 
>> TIA for any assistance you can give.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> dp
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Date2005-02-26 02:00
From"Richard Boulanger"
SubjectRe: [Cs-dev] materials needed for Cs5 tests
I like CsoundEx or CsoundX for extended  I also like Csound+ - implying the
Swiss Army Knife aspect of the program.

Rick

on 2/25/05 1:04 PM, gogins@pipeline.com at gogins@pipeline.com wrote:

> Well, I do want to use Csound with music notation software, so CsoundVST
> needs to work well as a plugin. I think MIDI input is broken because of
> recent changes, but I will definitely fix it.
> 
> Actually, I think of CsoundVST as a sort of musical "Swiss Army knife" that
> can have all kinds of interfaces and do all kinds of things.
> 
> Maybe it should be called CsoundMulti or something or CsoundEx or something.
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Richard Boulanger rboulanger@berklee.edu
> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:52:17 -0500
> To: csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] materials needed for Cs5 tests
> 
> 
> Michael, 
> 
> If it's not mainly about VST's and you consider the name to be unfortunate
> and misleading, maybe it should be called CsoundPython?
> 
> The VST support is great, but as you know, it can be very frustrating to all
> the VST users out there who would love Csound to just work "like normal VSTs
> do" in all their commercial software.  I think that supporting all the
> commercial apps has been a bit of a pain for you.  Hasn't it?  Maybe a
> rename would reflect more of the spirit of the program as you use it and as
> you have designed it.
> 
> Just a thought - this move to Csound5 might be a good time for considering
> this?
> 
> Rick
> 
> on 2/25/05 10:41 AM, gogins@pipeline.com at gogins@pipeline.com wrote:
> 
>> CsoundVST despite the unfortunate and misleading name is not mainly about
>> VST, it is mainly about that fast working cycle and being able to use
>> Python in it.
>> 
>> Original Message:
>> -----------------
>> From: Dave Phillips dlphilp@bright.net
>> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:11:50 -0500
>> To: csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
>> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] materials needed for Cs5 tests
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Michael:
>> 
>> I just discovered your Python scripts in the examples directory. I've
>> already begun a brief intro to using CsoundVST as a standalone app, I
>> thought I'd combine the Python scripting with that intro. Unfortunately
>> I'm not having much luck. Running Koch.py resulted in "opcode missing"
>> errors, some apparently minorrenaming is required. I'm not sure I
>> understand what's supposed to happen with the Strange Attractor script,
>> but it crashed CsoundVST.
>> 
>> My SoundFont stuff is *not* based on the Fluid opcodes, so yes, I'd
>> welcome an example.
>> 
>> I'm very interested in how you use the Loris stuff. I'm also willing
>> to try running the VST stuff under Linux and the libfst system. Could be
>> interesting... weird but interesting...
>> 
>> Thanks again, Michael. Btw, CsoundVST is a neat working environment. I
>> open my file, do some edits, hit Perform, edit some more, hit Perform,
>> edit some more, and so on, in a very fast cycle.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> dp
>> 
>> 
>> gogins@pipeline.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Topics that should also be covered include:
>>> 
>>> 1. Loris analysis in Python / resynthesis using Loris opcodes.
>>> 2. CsoundVST with Python algorithmic composition (I will contribute an
>>> example).
>>> 3. Using CsoundVST as a Python extension module (I will contribute an
>>> example).
>>> 4. Does your SoundFont example use the Fluidsynth-based opcodes? If not,
> I
>>> can contribute an example.
>>> 5. VST plugin opcodes.
>>> 
>>> Original Message:
>>> -----------------
>>> From: Dave Phillips dlphilp@bright.net
>>> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:53:36 -0500
>>> To: csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
>>> Subject: [Cs-dev] materials needed for Cs5 tests
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Greetings:
>>> 
>>>  I've spent the last few days working on organizing a set of tests and
>>> examples for newcomers to Cs5. I've taken this list of topics from Dr
>>> B's recent message:
>>> 
>>> Real-time audio I/O *
>>> Real-time MIDI I/O *
>>> Write to File *
>>> 
>>> Plugin opcodes
>>> UDOs
>>> Include files *
>>> Multi-Channel Output *
>>> InterApplication Communication
>>> Python Driven Orcs
>>> Changing buffer sizes
>>> Analysis and Other Utilities
>>> JACK *
>>> FTLK *
>>> SoundFonts *
>>> 
>>> Items with * are already done. I can deal with the utilities and buffer
>>> size stuff, but I'm soliciting for contributions to the plugins, UDOs,
>>> IPC, and Python topics. Those are all outside my domains of interest and
>>> I have little or no useful knowledge there.
>>> 
>>> What other topics ought to be included for this collection ?
>>> 
>>> I'm looking for brief demonstrations of the topics, not full-bore
>>> highly-detailed presentations. I need simple CSD or orc/sco files that
>>> clearly show how the topic is implemented in Cs5. For example, I don't
>>> want a technical explanation of the plugin API, I want an example that
>>> shows a beginner how to install and test a 3rd-party Csound plugin. The
>>> emphasis in these examples is on use, not theory. Explanations abound,
>>> useful examples do not.
>>> 
>>> TIA for any assistance you can give.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> dp
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
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Date2005-02-26 09:19
FromStéphane Rollandin
SubjectRe: [Cs-dev] materials needed for Cs5 tests
Richard Boulanger wrote:
> I like CsoundEx or CsoundX for extended  

there is already a Csound-X Emacs package. confusion may happen...


Stef



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