My suggestion for the menu popups: something similar to what Windows does -
always pop down; and when a list doesn't fit onscreen, offer a downward
scrolling arrow to view additional items.

A typical example of this: Bookmarks in IE.

Art Hunkins

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Akbari" 
To: "Developer discussions" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] problems with javascript/etc on csounds.com site


> I have no such problem.
>
> Which menus are popping up?
>
> That happens when there are too many entries in the arrays. Of course,
> you can expand the bottom of your browser window or use a higher
> screen resolution to alleviate the problem.
>
> However If anyone can offer an alternative to the current menus that
> is infinitely expandible while at the same time 'user-friendly' I'd
> love to hear it.
>
>
> -David
>
> On 2/13/07, Mike Coleman  wrote:
> > Am I the only one having problems accessing the material on the
> > csounds.com website?  It looks like the menus at the top are
> > implemented using javascript, apparently in a way that's not portable.
> >  When I try to access one of the menus using a recent Firefox browser,
> > some of them pop down, and others (the ones I'm interested in,
> > unfortunately) pop upwards, off the top of the page, making them
> > inaccessible.  Just clicking on the plain links does nothing.
> >
> > Would it be possible to fix or preferably just kill this javascript?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike
>
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The scrolling menus is an operating system feature, not a feature of IE.

I have my screen resolution set to 1152 x 870 and with a "maximized" browser
window, I still cannot see the bottom of some of the menus.  In addition,
several of the rightmost menus do not display at all assumedly because they
would go off the right edge of the window.  This is with iCab 3.03 on MacOS.

I do not like to have my browser window covering the entire screen either.
It makes it impossible to quickly switch to other tasks.  Web sites really
should not rely on any window size or screen resolution.

I would suggest that the menus could calculate how long they will be and if
this exceeds the height of the browser content area, then they could try
using two or more columns (adjusting the left edge of the menu if necessary
to avoid overflowing the right edge of the content area).

In addition, a website that gracefully degrades when Javascript is not
available (or the scripts don't work correctly) would be very much
appreciated by me.  This would perhaps mean making the menu titles links
that go to pages that have the same content as the menus.  The page could
display the content hidden by the [+] buttons when there is no Javascript
either.

Finally, the Javascript clock in the title bar of the window (and perhaps
the other scripts) consume too much processor time on my machine and makes
everything else run slowly.  iCab is very much to blame for this (and I have
an old machine), so I routinely turn Javascript off (thus my request above).
However, the clock is running in a very slow interpreted language and really
just eats up cycles.  I would appreciate the usefulness of this feature to
be reconsidered.

I appreciate the large amount of work that has gone into creating
Csounds.com and continues to go into maintaining it.  I would like to see
the site function correctly for all users.  Currently, it just doesn't work
for me and some others.

Thanks.

Anthony Kozar
anthonykozar AT sbcglobal DOT net
http://anthonykozar.net/

David Akbari wrote on 2/13/07 10:43 PM:

> Of course, the implementation in Microsoft Internet Explorer is
> proprietary and closed source.

> On 2/13/07, Art Hunkins  wrote:
>> My suggestion for the menu popups: something similar to what Windows does -
>> always pop down; and when a list doesn't fit onscreen, offer a downward
>> scrolling arrow to view additional items.
>> 
>> A typical example of this: Bookmarks in IE.


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PS.  I would also suggest looking at what the Sourceforge site is doing.
Their pop-up menus work _without_ Javascript and thus are very snappy on my
system.  And their web code should be open source.

Anthony Kozar wrote on 2/13/07 11:27 PM:

> I would suggest that the menus could calculate how long they will be and if
> this exceeds the height of the browser content area, then they could try using
> two or more columns (adjusting the left edge of the menu if necessary to avoid
> overflowing the right edge of the content area).


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