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Re: [Cs-dev] sensekey

Date2006-12-01 16:09
From"Art Hunkins"
SubjectRe: [Cs-dev] sensekey
Thanks, Victor, for stating the matter succinctly.

Actually, I *thought* that's what I had said. Apparently, long years in
academia and a low level of technical expertise have resulted in my clouding
the issue one more time. Sorry about that.

I appreciate you developers bearing with me.

Art Hunkins

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Victor Lazzarini" 
To: "Art Hunkins" ; "Developer discussions"

Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] sensekey


But it does work on Windows, with/without FLTK. It doesn't work with
Lettuce, which
is a different thing.

Victor

At 14:34 01/12/2006, you wrote:
>Thanks, Jonathan.
>
>Your example works fine in Windows. My problem was simply that I was trying
>to use sensekey directly (no FLTK) within Lettuce. This apparently is the
>only thing that "doesn't work in Windows."
>
>Art Hunkins
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jonathan Murphy" 
>To: "Art Hunkins" 
>Cc: "Developer discussions" 
>Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:44 PM
>Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] sensekey
>
>
>
>Yes, it does. It says:
>
>"If the ikbdcapture flag is set, the window captures keyboard events,
>  and sends them to all sensekey. This flag modifies the behavior of
>  sensekey, and makes it receive events from the FLTK window instead of
>  stdin."
>
>Here is an example, the keys should light up the buttons corresponding
>to their ASCII value. Hope this helps (and that it's not really broken
>under windows).
>
>Jonathan.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   sr     =  48000
>   ksmps     =  64
>   nchnls    =  2
>
>
>; ikbdcapture flag set to 1
>   ikey     init      1
>
>     FLpanel   "sensekey", 740, 340, 100, 250, 2, ikey
>   gkasc, giasc FLbutBank 2, 16, 8, 700, 300, 20, 20, -1
>     FLpanelEnd
>     FLrun
>
>     instr 1
>
>   kkey     sensekey
>   kprint    changed   kkey
>     FLsetVal  kprint, kkey, giasc
>
>     endin
>
>
>
>
>i1 0 60
>e
>
>
>
>
>
>"Art Hunkins"  writes:
>
> > Andres,
> >
> > I'm afraid I still don't "get it."
> >
> > FLpanel doesn't reference a variable named ikbdcapture; nor does a
search
> > for that variable come up with anything in the Csound5 help file. Where
is
> > this variable explained?
> >
> > I don't suppose you are referring to FLvalue, and passing it an idisp
>value
> > through ihandle (I think this output has to be from another widget, in
any
> > case).
> >
> > Also, does this mean that unless you are using FLTK widgets (I'm
currently
> > using only Lettuce which is not FLTK) that sensekey is not available (in
> > Windows)?
> >
> > I'd surely like to explore sensekey as a MIDI control substitute in some
> > realtime settings - particularly as event triggers. In this context, an
> > ASCII keyboard makes a lot more sense than a MIDI keyboard (except for
> > button output).
> >
> > Art Hunkins
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andres Cabrera" 
> > To: "Art Hunkins" ; "Developer discussions"
> > 
> > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 11:59 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] sensekey
> >
> >
> > Hi Art,
> > If you create an FLpanel, and set the ikbdcapture flag to 1, this
> > FLwindow will capture keyboard events through sensekey.
> > Diffamator uses this.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Andres
> >
> >
> > Art Hunkins wrote:
> >> Andres,
> >>
> >> Regarding sensekey: I only tried the example in the Csound5 help file.
> >>
> >> Where is Istvan's FLpanel version located? (I'll try it, on WinME as I
>did
> >> the other.)
> >>
> >> Art Hunkins
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Andres Cabrera" 
> >> To: "Art Hunkins" ; "Developer discussions"
> >> 
> >> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 9:57 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Is there a virtual midi controller opcode, or it
> > needs
> >> to be coded?
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Art,
> >>
> >>> Also, in the example printout for sensekey, what in the *world* does
>that
> >>> large number refer to? Surely not the ASCII value for "q"!
> >>>
> >> Thanks, changed. q gives 113.
> >> However, does sensekey not work even if you use the FLpanel version
> >> Istvan did?
> >>
> >>> The "out" at the bottom of the code example should be "outo".
> >>>
> >> Fixed, thanks.
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Andrés
> >>
> >>
> >> Art Hunkins wrote:
> >>
> >>> Andres,
> >>>
> >>> I can attest that sensekey still does not work in Windows.
> >>>
> >>> The example, when run, given does output a -1 as expected. However,
when
> >>>
> >> you
> >>
> >>> press "q" on the ASCII keyboard, it just prints "q" to the screen (as
it
> >>> normally would).
> >>>
> >>> Also, in the example printout for sensekey, what in the *world* does
>that
> >>> large number refer to? Surely not the ASCII value for "q"!
> >>>
> >>> Art Hunkins
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Andres Cabrera" 
> >>> To: "Developer discussions" 
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:08 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Is there a virtual midi controller opcode, or it
> >>>
> >> needs
> >>
> >>> to be coded?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Robson,
> >>> If you want to use the keyboard for input, you might want to have a
look
> >>> at the sensekey opcode.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Andrés
> >>>
> >>> Robson Cozendey wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Steven,
> >>>>
> >>>> Its in your plans in the future to allow the Virtual Midi Keyboard to
> >>>> assign different keystrokes to MIDI Values, defined by the user?
> >>>> I´m saying that because, if someone wants to use the keyboard like a
> >>>> drumkit (like me), it would be nicer to use the numeric keypad for
it,
> >>>> instead of the default piano-like setting :)
> >>>>
> >>>> thx in advance,
> >>>> robson
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 11/25/06, *Robson Cozendey*  >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>     Ok, I could read it in the tagged way :-)
> >>>>     Now I´m moving to the general list, thanks for the good news!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>     On 11/25/06, *Robson Cozendey*  >>>>     > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>         Thank you, Steven!
> >>>>
> >>>>         I downloaded the XML manual page, but it´s not being
> >>>>         recognized by Internet Explorer. Is it expected, should I get
> >>>>         another browser to work?
> >>>>
> >>>>         thx again,
> >>>>         robson
> >>>>
> >>>>         ps: I know that this discussion is going away of the dev
> >>>>         purpose... as soon as possible, I will move it to the general
> >>>>         list :-)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>         On 11/25/06, *Steven Yi*  >>>>         > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>             Hi Robson,
> >>>>
> >>>>             Yes, the virtual keyboard is in CVS and also was released
> >>>>             in 5.04.
> >>>>             There is a manual entry but it wasn't done until after
> >>>>             5.04 was
> >>>>             released, so you have to get it from CVS.  (You can see
> >>>>             the xml here:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >
>http://csound.cvs.sourceforge.net/csound/manual/midi/virtual.xml?revision=1
.2&view=markup
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>>
> >>> .2&view=markup>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>             and image here:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >
>http://csound.cvs.sourceforge.net/csound/manual/images/virtualkeyboard.png?
revision=1.1&view=markup
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>>
> >>> revision=1.1&view=markup>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>             steven
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>             On 11/25/06, Robson Cozendey <
> >>>>             robson.cozendey.rj@gmail.com
> >>>>             > wrote:
> >>>>             >
> >>>>             > Hello everyone,
> >>>>             >
> >>>>             > Thanks for the help on building CSound, in the other
> >>>>             topic :)
> >>>>             >
> >>>>             > One of the reasons I entered the list, is that I did
not
> >>>>             found an opcode
> >>>>             > with the functionality I needed, so I wondered that I
> >>>>             would need to code it,
> >>>>             > so here I am.
> >>>>             >
> >>>>             > The opcode I need and didn´t found was a virtual midi
> >>>>             controller, that would
> >>>>             > turn the PC keyboard into a midi controller, and each
> >>>>             keystroke would send a
> >>>>             > midi message to CSound.
> >>>>             >
> >>>>             > But before starting it, I would like to know if I
didn´t
> >>>>             missed something,
> >>>>             > maybe already exists such an opcode, and I would not
need
> >>>>             to re-invent the
> >>>>             > wheel
> >>>>             >
> >>>>             > I´m saying that because I read (in the Steven Yi
deferred
> >>>>             plug-in topic)
> >>>>             > that he was working on some sort of a virtual keyboard
> >>>>             driver, so maybe
> >>>>             > somewhere inside CSound there is such a functionality
> >>>>             already. I would be
> >>>>             > glad to find that is such a case
> >>>>             > Otherwise, I would start my homework asap...
> >>>>             >
> >>>>             > thanks in advance,
> >>>>             > robson
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Date2006-12-01 16:12
FromVictor Lazzarini
SubjectRe: [Cs-dev] sensekey
No problem really. As for Lettuce, I reckon Rory will
add that very soon.

Victor

At 16:09 01/12/2006, you wrote:
>Thanks, Victor, for stating the matter succinctly.
>
>Actually, I *thought* that's what I had said. Apparently, long years in
>academia and a low level of technical expertise have resulted in my clouding
>the issue one more time. Sorry about that.
>
>I appreciate you developers bearing with me.
>
>Art Hunkins
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Victor Lazzarini" 
>To: "Art Hunkins" ; "Developer discussions"
>
>Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:15 AM
>Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] sensekey
>
>
>But it does work on Windows, with/without FLTK. It doesn't work with
>Lettuce, which
>is a different thing.
>
>Victor
>
>At 14:34 01/12/2006, you wrote:
> >Thanks, Jonathan.
> >
> >Your example works fine in Windows. My problem was simply that I was trying
> >to use sensekey directly (no FLTK) within Lettuce. This apparently is the
> >only thing that "doesn't work in Windows."
> >
> >Art Hunkins
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jonathan Murphy" 
> >To: "Art Hunkins" 
> >Cc: "Developer discussions" 
> >Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:44 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] sensekey
> >
> >
> >
> >Yes, it does. It says:
> >
> >"If the ikbdcapture flag is set, the window captures keyboard events,
> >  and sends them to all sensekey. This flag modifies the behavior of
> >  sensekey, and makes it receive events from the FLTK window instead of
> >  stdin."
> >
> >Here is an example, the keys should light up the buttons corresponding
> >to their ASCII value. Hope this helps (and that it's not really broken
> >under windows).
> >
> >Jonathan.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   sr     =  48000
> >   ksmps     =  64
> >   nchnls    =  2
> >
> >
> >; ikbdcapture flag set to 1
> >   ikey     init      1
> >
> >     FLpanel   "sensekey", 740, 340, 100, 250, 2, ikey
> >   gkasc, giasc FLbutBank 2, 16, 8, 700, 300, 20, 20, -1
> >     FLpanelEnd
> >     FLrun
> >
> >     instr 1
> >
> >   kkey     sensekey
> >   kprint    changed   kkey
> >     FLsetVal  kprint, kkey, giasc
> >
> >     endin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >i1 0 60
> >e
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Art Hunkins"  writes:
> >
> > > Andres,
> > >
> > > I'm afraid I still don't "get it."
> > >
> > > FLpanel doesn't reference a variable named ikbdcapture; nor does a
>search
> > > for that variable come up with anything in the Csound5 help file. Where
>is
> > > this variable explained?
> > >
> > > I don't suppose you are referring to FLvalue, and passing it an idisp
> >value
> > > through ihandle (I think this output has to be from another widget, in
>any
> > > case).
> > >
> > > Also, does this mean that unless you are using FLTK widgets (I'm
>currently
> > > using only Lettuce which is not FLTK) that sensekey is not available (in
> > > Windows)?
> > >
> > > I'd surely like to explore sensekey as a MIDI control substitute in some
> > > realtime settings - particularly as event triggers. In this context, an
> > > ASCII keyboard makes a lot more sense than a MIDI keyboard (except for
> > > button output).
> > >
> > > Art Hunkins
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Andres Cabrera" 
> > > To: "Art Hunkins" ; "Developer discussions"
> > > 
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 11:59 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] sensekey
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Art,
> > > If you create an FLpanel, and set the ikbdcapture flag to 1, this
> > > FLwindow will capture keyboard events through sensekey.
> > > Diffamator uses this.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Andres
> > >
> > >
> > > Art Hunkins wrote:
> > >> Andres,
> > >>
> > >> Regarding sensekey: I only tried the example in the Csound5 help file.
> > >>
> > >> Where is Istvan's FLpanel version located? (I'll try it, on WinME as I
> >did
> > >> the other.)
> > >>
> > >> Art Hunkins
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Andres Cabrera" 
> > >> To: "Art Hunkins" ; "Developer discussions"
> > >> 
> > >> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 9:57 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Is there a virtual midi controller opcode, or it
> > > needs
> > >> to be coded?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Hi Art,
> > >>
> > >>> Also, in the example printout for sensekey, what in the *world* does
> >that
> > >>> large number refer to? Surely not the ASCII value for "q"!
> > >>>
> > >> Thanks, changed. q gives 113.
> > >> However, does sensekey not work even if you use the FLpanel version
> > >> Istvan did?
> > >>
> > >>> The "out" at the bottom of the code example should be "outo".
> > >>>
> > >> Fixed, thanks.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Andrés
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Art Hunkins wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Andres,
> > >>>
> > >>> I can attest that sensekey still does not work in Windows.
> > >>>
> > >>> The example, when run, given does output a -1 as expected. However,
>when
> > >>>
> > >> you
> > >>
> > >>> press "q" on the ASCII keyboard, it just prints "q" to the screen (as
>it
> > >>> normally would).
> > >>>
> > >>> Also, in the example printout for sensekey, what in the *world* does
> >that
> > >>> large number refer to? Surely not the ASCII value for "q"!
> > >>>
> > >>> Art Hunkins
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "Andres Cabrera" 
> > >>> To: "Developer discussions" 
> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:08 AM
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Is there a virtual midi controller opcode, or it
> > >>>
> > >> needs
> > >>
> > >>> to be coded?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi Robson,
> > >>> If you want to use the keyboard for input, you might want to have a
>look
> > >>> at the sensekey opcode.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers,
> > >>> Andrés
> > >>>
> > >>> Robson Cozendey wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hi Steven,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Its in your plans in the future to allow the Virtual Midi Keyboard to
> > >>>> assign different keystrokes to MIDI Values, defined by the user?
> > >>>> I´m saying that because, if someone wants to use the keyboard like a
> > >>>> drumkit (like me), it would be nicer to use the numeric keypad for
>it,
> > >>>> instead of the default piano-like setting :)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> thx in advance,
> > >>>> robson
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 11/25/06, *Robson Cozendey*  > >>>> > wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     Ok, I could read it in the tagged way :-)
> > >>>>     Now I´m moving to the general list, thanks for the good news!
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     On 11/25/06, *Robson Cozendey*  > >>>>     > wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>         Thank you, Steven!
> > >>>>
> > >>>>         I downloaded the XML manual page, but it´s not being
> > >>>>         recognized by Internet Explorer. Is it expected, should I get
> > >>>>         another browser to work?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>         thx again,
> > >>>>         robson
> > >>>>
> > >>>>         ps: I know that this discussion is going away of the dev
> > >>>>         purpose... as soon as possible, I will move it to the general
> > >>>>         list :-)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>         On 11/25/06, *Steven Yi*  > >>>>         > wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>             Hi Robson,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>             Yes, the virtual keyboard is in CVS and also was released
> > >>>>             in 5.04.
> > >>>>             There is a manual entry but it wasn't done until after
> > >>>>             5.04 was
> > >>>>             released, so you have to get it from CVS.  (You can see
> > >>>>             the xml here:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >
> >http://csound.cvs.sourceforge.net/csound/manual/midi/virtual.xml?revision=1
>.2&view=markup
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> >1>>
> > >>> .2&view=markup>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>             and image here:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >
> >http://csound.cvs.sourceforge.net/csound/manual/images/virtualkeyboard.png?
>revision=1.1&view=markup
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> >?>>
> > >>> revision=1.1&view=markup>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>             steven
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>             On 11/25/06, Robson Cozendey <
> > >>>>             robson.cozendey.rj@gmail.com
> > >>>>             > wrote:
> > >>>>             >
> > >>>>             > Hello everyone,
> > >>>>             >
> > >>>>             > Thanks for the help on building CSound, in the other
> > >>>>             topic :)
> > >>>>             >
> > >>>>             > One of the reasons I entered the list, is that I did
>not
> > >>>>             found an opcode
> > >>>>             > with the functionality I needed, so I wondered that I
> > >>>>             would need to code it,
> > >>>>             > so here I am.
> > >>>>             >
> > >>>>             > The opcode I need and didn´t found was a virtual midi
> > >>>>             controller, that would
> > >>>>             > turn the PC keyboard into a midi controller, and each
> > >>>>             keystroke would send a
> > >>>>             > midi message to CSound.
> > >>>>             >
> > >>>>             > But before starting it, I would like to know if I
>didn´t
> > >>>>             missed something,
> > >>>>             > maybe already exists such an opcode, and I would not
>need
> > >>>>             to re-invent the
> > >>>>             > wheel
> > >>>>             >
> > >>>>             > I´m saying that because I read (in the Steven Yi
>deferred
> > >>>>             plug-in topic)
> > >>>>             > that he was working on some sort of a virtual keyboard
> > >>>>             driver, so maybe
> > >>>>             > somewhere inside CSound there is such a functionality
> > >>>>             already. I would be
> > >>>>             > glad to find that is such a case
> > >>>>             > Otherwise, I would start my homework asap...
> > >>>>             >
> > >>>>             > thanks in advance,
> > >>>>             > robson
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