Perhaps you have read the question in the userlist about soundout(s).  
It seems not to work (I didn't check it myself), and as far as I see,  
what it shall do is done by fout. So, should it not be removed? Or at  
least a hint in the manual for better using fout?

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A hint in the manual. I don't think we can remove opcodes as they might
break existing pieces.
Victor

At 12:03 02/04/2008, you wrote:
>Perhaps you have read the question in the userlist about soundout(s).
>It seems not to work (I didn't check it myself), and as far as I see,
>what it shall do is done by fout. So, should it not be removed? Or at
>least a hint in the manual for better using fout?
>
>Best -
>
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what about creating "deprecated" opcode library that is not included  
in the general
release but can be a separate download for the 3 people that need to  
run old scores?

-m

On Apr 2, 2008, at 4:15 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:

> A hint in the manual. I don't think we can remove opcodes as they  
> might
> break existing pieces.
> Victor
>
> At 12:03 02/04/2008, you wrote:
>> Perhaps you have read the question in the userlist about soundout(s).
>> It seems not to work (I didn't check it myself), and as far as I see,
>> what it shall do is done by fout. So, should it not be removed? Or at
>> least a hint in the manual for better using fout?
>>
>> Best -
>>
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that sounds better.

actually i guess all it might really mean is
attaching a label (and warning message)

and moving things around in the manual - like
put all deprecated opcodes on the bottom of the
quickref list or something..


-m

On Apr 2, 2008, at 11:14 AM, Steven Yi wrote:

> That'd be great!  We might want to have it included, but to check if a
> --use-deprecated flag is set and if so, add the OENTRY's at startup,
> otherwise, don't.  It'd make it easier for end users to then just say,
> "Oh, it didn't work, maybe I should try with deprecated".
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 11:11 AM, matt ingalls   
> wrote:
>> what about creating "deprecated" opcode library that is not included
>> in the general
>> release but can be a separate download for the 3 people that need to
>> run old scores?
>>
>> -m
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 2, 2008, at 4:15 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>
>>> A hint in the manual. I don't think we can remove opcodes as they
>>> might
>>> break existing pieces.
>>> Victor
>>>
>>> At 12:03 02/04/2008, you wrote:
>>>> Perhaps you have read the question in the userlist about  
>>>> soundout(s).
>>>> It seems not to work (I didn't check it myself), and as far as I  
>>>> see,
>>>> what it shall do is done by fout. So, should it not be removed?  
>>>> Or at
>>>> least a hint in the manual for better using fout?
>>>>
>>>> Best -
>>>>
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On 03/04/2008, at 10:21 AM, matt ingalls wrote:
> that sounds better.
>
> actually i guess all it might really mean is
> attaching a label (and warning message)
>
> and moving things around in the manual - like
> put all deprecated opcodes on the bottom of the
> quickref list or something..
>
+ add to the documentation, the newer opcode that deprecates it.
D.

>
> -m
>
> On Apr 2, 2008, at 11:14 AM, Steven Yi wrote:
>
>> That'd be great!  We might want to have it included, but to check  
>> if a
>> --use-deprecated flag is set and if so, add the OENTRY's at startup,
>> otherwise, don't.  It'd make it easier for end users to then just  
>> say,
>> "Oh, it didn't work, maybe I should try with deprecated".
>>

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One could add a message to the init function of a deprecated opcode
indicating that.  Then the incentive to fix will be in the output.
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That's a good idea. So long as it's just a warning and doesn't prevent 
the instrument from running. As has been suggested already users should 
be able to switch off these warnings if they become annoying.

Rory.


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> indicating that.  Then the incentive to fix will be in the output.
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Which opcodes should be deprecated?  
Suggestions:   soundout (use fout), diskin (use diskin2), filter
(unstable), .....

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What's wrong with diskin?


Am 03.04.2008 um 13:08 schrieb jpff:
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i think diskin is a different case.

  diskin2 is really just diskin with extra features.
and shouldn't have ever been a new opcode.  in addition, it is -- as
ALL the "version number" named opcodes are --
  poorly named because of confusion with
  the '3' used for cubic interpolation opcodes.

i think the interface is just the same with extra optional input  
paramaters, &
  i would suggest to just rename diskin2 to 'diskin' -- which i guess  
means
"diskin2" is deprecated (warning message but still works)
a warning message when 'diskin2' name is used (but still function as  
before)
  if there is concern about efficiency, there might be some easy adds  
to the code
to bypass the extra diskin2 features that slow it down.


On Apr 3, 2008, at 10:00 AM, joachim heintz wrote:

> What's wrong with diskin?
>
>
> Am 03.04.2008 um 13:08 schrieb jpff:
>> Which opcodes should be deprecated?
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