I have used Linux and Windows since 1989. Mr. Worobec has a real point. I have a good sound system going, but it was work for me, and I'm a programmer. To be widely useful for musicians, getting a good sound system should be buy the interface, plug it in, run your app.

Is there gcc 4 for Windows? I only see 3.4 something in MinGW.

Regards,
Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Worobec 
Sent: Nov 19, 2005 3:55 PM
To: csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] To Linux or Not to Linux

The dependencies in Linux are module-specific, not release specific. So,
it needs to be determined/decided which versions of the various modules
does CSound require. This then could be mapped to the various distributions.

For example, now CSound has a hard dependency on Python 2.3, which is
inconsistent with at least Fedora 4 - it packages Python 2.4. Also, it
comes with gcc 4, which may still be an issue for legacy  dependencies
to 3.x. Not sure, though, since I installed 3.x to avoid these issues.

The real problem, though, with Linux is now how to get a working sound
system. I've wasted enough time now with drivers, cards, and ALSA, that
I'm thoroughly convinced that Linux is a total waste of time for any
serious sound artist. I'm starting to think it's worthless for users in
general too, because it still continues to be advanced by developers who
are clueless about usability, maintainability, and all the other
critical qualities of software that must be addressed for the software
to be of use to anyone other than loner nerds.

Mike Worobec

Art Hunkins wrote:

>I am a Windows person, and no doubt will remain one. However, I'd like to
>take up Ian's real-time Csound Linux challenge (thanks, Ian), and install a
>separate Linux boot on my new laptop.
>
>I will not do this, though, unless there is a fairly foolproof Linux
>installer for Csound5. I have watched the endless and heroic attempts to
>build Csound on Linux here on this list, and will *not* subject my body and
>remaining life to this stress. (My cardiologist would not like it either.)
>I'm serious about this. I cannot afford to try to "roll my own" Linux, as
>users perhaps *should* do, according to Istvan. (But I wonder how many
>*would* do it?)
>
>If Linux is to *thrive* as a Csound OS, appropriate installers must be
>available for at least selected versions of Linux.
>
>So a decision needs to be made as to which versions of Linux to support.
>With this as background, which will be the first Linux installer versions? I
>need a recommendation as to which Linux to obtain - *one based on a
>soon-upcoming available installer*.
>
>Or else I need to forget about it. Please let me know.
>
>Art Hunkins
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Istvan Varga" 
>To: 
>Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 7:08 AM
>Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Multi port midi proposal
>
>
>  
>
>>Steven Yi wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>In terms of time table, installers seem like the most pressing thing
>>>on everyone's minds, as the rest of the above seem in very good shape
>>>(bravo all of you! ^_^).  Just to get some kind of timeline out for
>>>consideration, would a rough schedule of getting installers done in a
>>>week,
>>>      
>>>
>>Actually, the installers are a major problem, and it is not likely
>>that this issue is going to be solved in a week or even in any
>>predictable amount of time. It would be possible to have installers
>>for Windows and OS X in 1-2 weeks if anyone would actually work on
>>it - but that is not the case (the situation is particularly bad
>>with respect to the Mac platforms). Linux is a different issue: we
>>already have scripts for generating packages, but due to the lack of
>>binary compatibility and different directory structure, a separate
>>package should be generated for every commonly used distribution
>>and release, and there is just no one who would actually do that
>>tedious task. Thus, the standard means of installing on Linux still
>>remains compiling from sources.
>>
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Michael Gogins wrote:

> Is there gcc 4 for Windows? I only see 3.4 something in MinGW.

Not having GCC 4 is not a big loss, as it does not generally
produce better code (in fact it is often worse than 3.x); it
can be useful for compatibility testing, though, particularly
given that I had errors when trying to compile CsoundVST the
last time with GCC 4.
You may try compiling the compiler from sources (I did that
a few times on Linux, not sure how easy or difficult it is
on Win32 with MinGW) if there is no binary package.


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