Re: [Cs-dev] multiple <CsScore>

Re: [Cs-dev] multiple

Date
2012-04-13 14:59
From
john ffitch
Subject
Re: [Cs-dev] multiple
I am having trouble articulating this but I am starting from wondering
how it is to be used.  I can imagine myself using traditional score and
beats, but most likely in sequential sections than merged in one
section.  Not sure why I would want the merged option.

Also seems strange that an e in one part affects the others;  what if
there are different numbers of the sections in each part; why align to
start and not end, or middle, or....

I could imagine some kind of XML definition, something like


  Date 2012-04-13 15:03
From Tito Latini 
Subject Re: [Cs-dev] multiple 
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Date 2012-04-13 15:25
From Victor Lazzarini 
Subject Re: [Cs-dev] multiple 
what about sections of different lengths?

Victor
On 13 Apr 2012, at 15:03, Tito Latini wrote:

> It is only the reading in sequence but the time is *absolute*.
> The sorting is the last step, after the merge.
> 
> We can force the strict sequence with the s-statements,
> otherwise (dummy example):
> 
>  
>  i1 5 1
>  
> 
>  
>  i1 0 1
>  
> 
> The result after scsort is
> 
>  i1 0 1
>  i1 5 1
> 
> With s-statement after `i1 5 1' the scene changes.
> 
> If we want bypass the second section, `e' after `i1 5 1'. Simple.
> 
> tito
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Date 2012-04-13 15:26
From Tito Latini 
Subject Re: [Cs-dev] multiple 
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Date 2012-04-13 15:43
From Victor Lazzarini 
Subject Re: [Cs-dev] multiple 
No, I meant different s-statements in each score, how do they get merged? Section by section, or post-section preprocessing?

On 13 Apr 2012, at 15:26, Tito Latini wrote:

> Really, I don't see the problem. My patch is a very simple trick.
> We have memory and a pointer for the score (CORFIL) from v5.15.
> 
> After the first score section the pointer is x.
> After the second score section the pointer is x+a.
> After the ...
> 
> In the prior example
> 
>  1) score in memory
> 
>  2) process with csbeats, then score in memory,
>     starting from the previous point
> 
>  3) process with cmask, then score in memory,
>     ....
> 
>  4) process with pysco, ......
>     .....
> 
>  === sorting ===
> 
> Multiple CsScore is like one CsScore.
> And this change doesn't alter the actual behavior.
> 
>> what about sections of different lengths?
> 
> There are inf ways.
> 
> tito
> 
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 03:25:42PM +0100, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>> what about sections of different lengths?
>> 
>> Victor
>> On 13 Apr 2012, at 15:03, Tito Latini wrote:
>> 
>>> It is only the reading in sequence but the time is *absolute*.
>>> The sorting is the last step, after the merge.
>>> 
>>> We can force the strict sequence with the s-statements,
>>> otherwise (dummy example):
>>> 
>>> 
>>> i1 5 1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> i1 0 1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The result after scsort is
>>> 
>>> i1 0 1
>>> i1 5 1
>>> 
>>> With s-statement after `i1 5 1' the scene changes.
>>> 
>>> If we want bypass the second section, `e' after `i1 5 1'. Simple.
>>> 
>>> tito
>>> 
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Date 2012-04-13 15:45
From Michael Gogins 
Subject Re: [Cs-dev] multiple 
I repeat, I think this is a good idea, and it is one that I might well
use myself.

It could be very useful in assembling a piece from layers that are
created by different sources and processes.

To the composer, it would be useful if the start time and duration of
each layer could be different, and I don't see how this would cause a
technical problem, since the score statements are merged before
performance.

Regards,
Mike

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Tito Latini  wrote:
> Really, I don't see the problem. My patch is a very simple trick.
> We have memory and a pointer for the score (CORFIL) from v5.15.
>
> After the first score section the pointer is x.
> After the second score section the pointer is x+a.
> After the ...
>
> In the prior example
>
>  1) score in memory
>
>  2) process with csbeats, then score in memory,
>     starting from the previous point
>
>  3) process with cmask, then score in memory,
>     ....
>
>  4) process with pysco, ......
>     .....
>
>  === sorting ===
>
> Multiple CsScore is like one CsScore.
> And this change doesn't alter the actual behavior.
>
>> what about sections of different lengths?
>
> There are inf ways.
>
> tito
>
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 03:25:42PM +0100, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>> what about sections of different lengths?
>>
>> Victor
>> On 13 Apr 2012, at 15:03, Tito Latini wrote:
>>
>> > It is only the reading in sequence but the time is *absolute*.
>> > The sorting is the last step, after the merge.
>> >
>> > We can force the strict sequence with the s-statements,
>> > otherwise (dummy example):
>> >
>> >  
>> >  i1 5 1
>> >  
>> >
>> >  
>> >  i1 0 1
>> >  
>> >
>> > The result after scsort is
>> >
>> >  i1 0 1
>> >  i1 5 1
>> >
>> > With s-statement after `i1 5 1' the scene changes.
>> >
>> > If we want bypass the second section, `e' after `i1 5 1'. Simple.
>> >
>> > tito
>> >
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Date 2012-04-13 15:47
From Tito Latini 
Subject Re: [Cs-dev] multiple 
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Date 2012-04-13 15:48
From Tito Latini 
Subject Re: [Cs-dev] multiple 
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Date 2012-04-13 16:01
From Tito Latini 
Subject Re: [Cs-dev] multiple 
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Date 2012-04-13 16:02
From Stéphane Rollandin
Subject Re: [Cs-dev] multiple 
> I could imagine some kind of XML definition, something like
>
> 
>    Date 2012-04-13 16:02
From Victor Lazzarini 
Subject Re: [Cs-dev] multiple 
No problem with the idea, just want to understand all of its implications.

Victor
On 13 Apr 2012, at 15:45, Michael Gogins wrote:

> I repeat, I think this is a good idea, and it is one that I might well
> use myself.
> 
> It could be very useful in assembling a piece from layers that are
> created by different sources and processes.
> 
> To the composer, it would be useful if the start time and duration of
> each layer could be different, and I don't see how this would cause a
> technical problem, since the score statements are merged before
> performance.
> 
> Regards,
> Mike
> 
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Tito Latini  wrote:
>> Really, I don't see the problem. My patch is a very simple trick.
>> We have memory and a pointer for the score (CORFIL) from v5.15.
>> 
>> After the first score section the pointer is x.
>> After the second score section the pointer is x+a.
>> After the ...
>> 
>> In the prior example
>> 
>>  1) score in memory
>> 
>>  2) process with csbeats, then score in memory,
>>     starting from the previous point
>> 
>>  3) process with cmask, then score in memory,
>>     ....
>> 
>>  4) process with pysco, ......
>>     .....
>> 
>>  === sorting ===
>> 
>> Multiple CsScore is like one CsScore.
>> And this change doesn't alter the actual behavior.
>> 
>>> what about sections of different lengths?
>> 
>> There are inf ways.
>> 
>> tito
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 03:25:42PM +0100, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>> what about sections of different lengths?
>>> 
>>> Victor
>>> On 13 Apr 2012, at 15:03, Tito Latini wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It is only the reading in sequence but the time is *absolute*.
>>>> The sorting is the last step, after the merge.
>>>> 
>>>> We can force the strict sequence with the s-statements,
>>>> otherwise (dummy example):
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>>  i1 5 1
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>>  i1 0 1
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> The result after scsort is
>>>> 
>>>>  i1 0 1
>>>>  i1 5 1
>>>> 
>>>> With s-statement after `i1 5 1' the scene changes.
>>>> 
>>>> If we want bypass the second section, `e' after `i1 5 1'. Simple.
>>>> 
>>>> tito
>>>> 
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>>> 
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Date 2012-04-13 16:06
From Victor Lazzarini 
Subject Re: [Cs-dev] multiple 
Oh, it's sequential, not parallel, is that what you mean?

On 13 Apr 2012, at 15:48, Tito Latini wrote:

>> No, I meant different s-statements in each score, how do they get merged? Section by section, or post-section preprocessing?
> 
> === Example ===
> 
> 
> i1 0 1
> ...
> s
> i1 0 1
> ...
> s
> ...
> s
> 
> 
> ;; I want get a chunk of the score with cmask in the next section
> 
> ...
> 
> 
> ;; I want insert a simple score in the next section
> 
> s
> i1 0 1
> i1 + .
> i1 + .
> s
> 
> 
> ;; I want some output from csbeats
> 
> ...
> 
> 
> ;; outro in a normal section
> 
> s
> i123 0 1.43 ...
> ...
> e
> 
> 
> 
> Perhaps your doubt is the word 'section' that I use for a simple
> 
>  
>  ...
>  
> 
> with or without s-statements.
> 
> tito
> 
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Date 2012-04-13 16:08
From Tito Latini 
Subject Re: [Cs-dev] multiple 
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Date 2012-04-13 16:08
From Jacob Joaquin 
Subject Re: [Cs-dev] multiple 
I'm personally interested to see where this goes. It has potential but I'm guessing there are some pitfalls associated with implementing this as it is currently proposed. It's worth working up a prototype, get user feedback, and making modifications based on real use cases. And pay close attention to the overall design. 

Side note. I was hoping the XML tags would be deprecated in cs6. Technically speaking I don't even think they qualify as XML.

Best,
Jake

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On Apr 13, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Tito Latini  wrote:

>> I repeat, I think this is a good idea, and it is one that I might well
>> use myself.
> 
> Thank you Michael
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Date 2012-04-13 16:10
From Tito Latini 
Subject Re: [Cs-dev] multiple 
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Date 2012-04-13 16:14
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Subject Re: [Cs-dev] multiple 
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Date 2012-04-13 16:20
From Stéphane Rollandin
Subject Re: [Cs-dev] multiple 
> I repeat, I think this is a good idea, and it is one that I might well
> use myself.
>
> It could be very useful in assembling a piece from layers that are
> created by different sources and processes.
>
> To the composer, it would be useful if the start time and duration of
> each layer could be different, and I don't see how this would cause a
> technical problem, since the score statements are merged before
> performance.

Yes, the idea is good, but see Pandora's box: you just (rightly) 
expanded the idea so that sections define parts that can be assembled by 
layering. But now, why not make it easy to repeat a part (with proper 
syntactic sugar), or to define a piece in ABACA form from parts A,B,C ? 
And then, why not have alternate endings and be able to write ABACA' , 
with A' somehow derived from A ? It would also be useful to have part B 
have access to the duration or starting time of part A... etc.

Basically we will end up writing an algorithmic language for 
manipulating musical parts. I think we should not go this way for the 
very same reason we rely on score preprocessors instead of implementing 
representation for note values and other useful musical abstractions: 
because a Csound score is not the place for algorithmic composition.


Stef

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Date 2012-04-13 16:27
From Jacob Joaquin 
Subject Re: [Cs-dev] multiple 
These are some mighty fine examples of what pitfalls may look like.

I think it's time to think about creative a formal review system for adding, changing, extending Csound features. Python PEPs is a great model to start with.

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On Apr 13, 2012, at 8:20 AM, Stéphane Rollandin  wrote:

> 
>> I repeat, I think this is a good idea, and it is one that I might well
>> use myself.
>> 
>> It could be very useful in assembling a piece from layers that are
>> created by different sources and processes.
>> 
>> To the composer, it would be useful if the start time and duration of
>> each layer could be different, and I don't see how this would cause a
>> technical problem, since the score statements are merged before
>> performance.
> 
> Yes, the idea is good, but see Pandora's box: you just (rightly) 
> expanded the idea so that sections define parts that can be assembled by 
> layering. But now, why not make it easy to repeat a part (with proper 
> syntactic sugar), or to define a piece in ABACA form from parts A,B,C ? 
> And then, why not have alternate endings and be able to write ABACA' , 
> with A' somehow derived from A ? It would also be useful to have part B 
> have access to the duration or starting time of part A... etc.
> 
> Basically we will end up writing an algorithmic language for 
> manipulating musical parts. I think we should not go this way for the 
> very same reason we rely on score preprocessors instead of implementing 
> representation for note values and other useful musical abstractions: 
> because a Csound score is not the place for algorithmic composition.
> 
> 
> Stef
> 
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Date 2012-04-13 16:32
From Victor Lazzarini 
Subject Re: [Cs-dev] multiple 
Ok, but that can be confusing. Someone might forget this, add a s-statement to one of the layers and it changes the behaviour completely.
I'm just thinking here.

Victor
On 13 Apr 2012, at 16:08, Tito Latini wrote:

>> Oh, it's sequential, not parallel, is that what you mean?
> 
> With s-statements is sequential (like in one CsScore)
>        and without is parallel (like in one CsScore).
> 
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Date 2012-04-13 16:39
From Tito Latini 
Subject Re: [Cs-dev] multiple 
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Date 2012-04-13 17:51
From Steven Yi 
Subject Re: [Cs-dev] multiple 
I have similar concerns to Stephane that I would need to modify blue's
importing. Luckily though I think the change would not be too
terrible, as blue already has a layer and object model that the use of
multiple CsScore's can map to easily, including bin= scores mapping to
External objects.  It's something that CsoundQT would have to be
updated for as well.

Just to say this idea is not completely cost free, but for my own
situation I can make changes in blue to support it.  For others, I can
imagine it is a little trickier.

2012/4/13 Stéphane Rollandin :
>> I could imagine some kind of XML definition, something like
>>
>> 
>>    Date 2012-04-13 18:03
From Victor Lazzarini 
Subject Re: [Cs-dev] multiple 
As a compromise, why don't we think of implementing this only in Csound 6 and we can tinker with the design until it's ready?

Victor
On 13 Apr 2012, at 17:51, Steven Yi wrote:

> I have similar concerns to Stephane that I would need to modify blue's
> importing. Luckily though I think the change would not be too
> terrible, as blue already has a layer and object model that the use of
> multiple CsScore's can map to easily, including bin= scores mapping to
> External objects.  It's something that CsoundQT would have to be
> updated for as well.
> 
> Just to say this idea is not completely cost free, but for my own
> situation I can make changes in blue to support it.  For others, I can
> imagine it is a little trickier.
> 
> 2012/4/13 Stéphane Rollandin :
>>> I could imagine some kind of XML definition, something like
>>> 
>>> 
>>>    Date 2012-04-13 18:21
From Michael Gogins 
Subject Re: [Cs-dev] multiple 
This raises some important issues.

Csound 6 will take time. Either we postpone such changes for the
general user base until Csound 6 is released, or we do these changes
in Csound 5 as well, or we make, and keep working, a beta release of
Csound 6 with all such new features.

I vote for the last option -- keep a running beta (or alpha) version
of Csound 6 available at all times, to which such new features will be
added, but they will not be added to Csound 5 at all.

Regards,
Mike



On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Victor Lazzarini
 wrote:
> As a compromise, why don't we think of implementing this only in Csound 6 and we can tinker with the design until it's ready?
>
> Victor
> On 13 Apr 2012, at 17:51, Steven Yi wrote:
>
>> I have similar concerns to Stephane that I would need to modify blue's
>> importing. Luckily though I think the change would not be too
>> terrible, as blue already has a layer and object model that the use of
>> multiple CsScore's can map to easily, including bin= scores mapping to
>> External objects.  It's something that CsoundQT would have to be
>> updated for as well.
>>
>> Just to say this idea is not completely cost free, but for my own
>> situation I can make changes in blue to support it.  For others, I can
>> imagine it is a little trickier.
>>
>> 2012/4/13 Stéphane Rollandin :
>>>> I could imagine some kind of XML definition, something like
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>    Date 2012-04-13 18:37
From Victor Lazzarini 
Subject Re: [Cs-dev] multiple 
We hope it won't take as long as last time. Steven was saying September for first release, which is very optimistic. I would say we should aim for January.

Regards

Victor

On 13 Apr 2012, at 18:21, Michael Gogins wrote:

> This raises some important issues.
> 
> Csound 6 will take time. Either we postpone such changes for the
> general user base until Csound 6 is released, or we do these changes
> in Csound 5 as well, or we make, and keep working, a beta release of
> Csound 6 with all such new features.
> 
> I vote for the last option -- keep a running beta (or alpha) version
> of Csound 6 available at all times, to which such new features will be
> added, but they will not be added to Csound 5 at all.
> 
> Regards,
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Victor Lazzarini
>  wrote:
>> As a compromise, why don't we think of implementing this only in Csound 6 and we can tinker with the design until it's ready?
>> 
>> Victor
>> On 13 Apr 2012, at 17:51, Steven Yi wrote:
>> 
>>> I have similar concerns to Stephane that I would need to modify blue's
>>> importing. Luckily though I think the change would not be too
>>> terrible, as blue already has a layer and object model that the use of
>>> multiple CsScore's can map to easily, including bin= scores mapping to
>>> External objects.  It's something that CsoundQT would have to be
>>> updated for as well.
>>> 
>>> Just to say this idea is not completely cost free, but for my own
>>> situation I can make changes in blue to support it.  For others, I can
>>> imagine it is a little trickier.
>>> 
>>> 2012/4/13 Stéphane Rollandin :
>>>>> I could imagine some kind of XML definition, something like
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>    Date 2012-04-13 19:02
From Michael Gogins 
Subject Re: [Cs-dev] multiple 
I doubt September is enough time to do everything we talked about for
Csound 6. I even doubt that January is enough time. But should we keep
a preliminary version of the beast "running" during this period? I
think that would be a good idea.

Regards,
Mike

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Victor Lazzarini
 wrote:
> We hope it won't take as long as last time. Steven was saying September for first release, which is very optimistic. I would say we should aim for January.
>
> Regards
>
> Victor
>
> On 13 Apr 2012, at 18:21, Michael Gogins wrote:
>
>> This raises some important issues.
>>
>> Csound 6 will take time. Either we postpone such changes for the
>> general user base until Csound 6 is released, or we do these changes
>> in Csound 5 as well, or we make, and keep working, a beta release of
>> Csound 6 with all such new features.
>>
>> I vote for the last option -- keep a running beta (or alpha) version
>> of Csound 6 available at all times, to which such new features will be
>> added, but they will not be added to Csound 5 at all.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Victor Lazzarini
>>  wrote:
>>> As a compromise, why don't we think of implementing this only in Csound 6 and we can tinker with the design until it's ready?
>>>
>>> Victor
>>> On 13 Apr 2012, at 17:51, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have similar concerns to Stephane that I would need to modify blue's
>>>> importing. Luckily though I think the change would not be too
>>>> terrible, as blue already has a layer and object model that the use of
>>>> multiple CsScore's can map to easily, including bin= scores mapping to
>>>> External objects.  It's something that CsoundQT would have to be
>>>> updated for as well.
>>>>
>>>> Just to say this idea is not completely cost free, but for my own
>>>> situation I can make changes in blue to support it.  For others, I can
>>>> imagine it is a little trickier.
>>>>
>>>> 2012/4/13 Stéphane Rollandin :
>>>>>> I could imagine some kind of XML definition, something like
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>