Re: [Cs-dev] Csound plugins was Re: UB binary of csound framework

Date	2009-11-20 23:08
From	"Art Hunkins"
Subject	Re: [Cs-dev] Csound plugins was Re: UB binary of csound framework
	No, I've no documentation, but the subject was discussed years ago on one of these lists. Particular in the "Istvan days", when he was particularly partial to a zip distro of Csound (and so was I, and still am, as are others). I was also interested (as Matt was, and perhaps still is - welcome back, Matt) in a minimal distro, particularly one I could distribute with my realtime Csound comps to potential performers of my works - performers without Csound installations and otherwise (perhaps) little interest in Csound and its learning curve either. I wanted a minimal zip download to a single directory, with performance in this directory - as, for example, in the root directory of a USB drive. No .csoundrc, no environment variables, no installation - and as little tech stuff as possible. I found that on Windows, the total Csound files needed to perform my compositions were 8, plus my .csd and perhaps a .txt file of performer directions. The 8 files (from Windows floats 5.06) are: csound.exe csound32.dll.5.1 libsndfile-1.dll pmidi.dll portaudio.dll rtpa.dll rtwinmm.dll stopcod.dll I chose 5.06 because it was the most recent version that: 1) fully worked for my purposes (I needed MIDI); 2) it required the smallest number of files; 3) it posted the fewest WARNING messages (need we discuss this further?!) These files zip to < 1.2MB, and expand to 3MB. Put them on a small USB thumb drive together with your .csd, all in the root directory, and you're ready to go from the commandline. Note that these 8 files include all that's needed for MIDI input and any Windows audio devices. (Of course, additional opcode .dll's can be added as useful. I sometimes need pitch.dll, but my needs are pretty basic.) The keys are: 1) no .csoundrc file or Csound environment variables in your system; 2) include any needed flags in the CsOptions of your .csd. In my experience, all flags can be preset except for -M and perhaps -odac (device numbers may need changing per system). For such basic editing I use the Notepad available on any Windows system. This should point the way to simple Csound systems that could be used by students, for example, on any available Windows computer. I go a step further, offering downloads of my performance pieces in standalone Lettuce executable format. (This means a file combining csound.exe, my .csd and a performance GUI in a single larger file.) As a result performers need lot deal with the commandline, text editor, nor changing orchestra macros by hand; just remain in Windows and click buttons. (CsOptions can be modified within the GUI.) An example of such a self-contained download is http://www.arthunkins.com/AdventSA.zip. It's a performer's download of ADVENIAT REGNUM TUUM in a 2.5MB .zip archive, with the 7 files above, an explanatory text file, and three Lettuce executable versions of my piece. Csound(Windows)-on-a-Stick? It works. Art Hunkins ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oeyvind Brandtsegg" To: "Developer discussions" Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Csound plugins was Re: UB binary of csound framework I need to do something similar too, and I can probably find what I need by searching the mail archives, but it would be nice if this could be documented somewhere. Preferably in the manual too. Art, do you have some documentation on this? all best Oeyvind 2009/11/20 Rory Walsh : > As far as I'm aware it looks in the bin directory. Art made a set of > self contained zip distributions of some of his real time pieces and > as far as I know users could just download and run them from the > folder they extracted all the file into. > > Rory. > > > > 2009/11/20 Andres Cabrera : >> I'm wondering.... Since Csound looks for OPCODEDIR before parsing the >> command line (using -+env:OPCODEDIR to set it won't work), where would >> the opcodes be looked for by default on the different platforms? In >> the same path as the Csound executable? >> >> I'm asking this because it would be great to have a self contained >> Csound that can be run without installing (without the need for >> administrative access). >> >> Cheers, >> Andrés >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Victor Lazzarini >> wrote: >>> Not sure of anything simple right now. You can try setting different >>> OPCODEDIRs. But still there will be a need to supply UB dependencies. >>> >>> Victor >>> On 19 Nov 2009, at 21:17, matt ingalls wrote: >>> >>>> yuck. there's not a way this can be handled in the framework >>>> structure, with separate folders for each architecture or something? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 19, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote: >>>> >>>>> You'll probably need to solve the problem of plugins, they will all >>>>> have to be UB and >>>>> their dependencies too. For instance, liblo will need to be made UB >>>>> for libosc to be made >>>>> UB so that Csound can have OSC opcodes. >>>>> >>>>> Victor >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 18 Nov 2009, at 20:40, matt ingalls wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> thanks Victor. >>>>>> >>>>>> i agree that it maybe not worth it :) >>>>>> ( i was actually about ready to retire MacCsound entirely- except >>>>>> QuteSound still does not seem as good in real-time and GUI >>>>>> response -- >>>>>> even compared to MacCsound running in Rosetta) >>>>>> >>>>>> i am willing to look into UB compile. >>>>>> my apologies for being out of touch, but is there some kind of >>>>>> document listing what 3rd-party libraries are being used, what >>>>>> libraries are absolutely required, etc? >>>>>> >>>>>> i also ask about this because i would be interested in getting >>>>>> csound >>>>>> running on an iPhone -- has anyone tried this yet? as far as i >>>>>> understand iPhone apps can't use dynamic frameworks/libraries and i >>>>>> was wondering if it would be possible to get all the 3rd party >>>>>> libraries statically linked. (i assume this will violate some of the >>>>>> GPL licenses?) >>>>>> >>>>>> -m >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 18, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> While it might be possible to build a UB framework, there will be a >>>>>>> lot of complication because of the dependencies that would have to >>>>>>> themselves be UB. I thought about it, but I thought it was always >>>>>>> simpler to build separate binaries. The main thing about the >>>>>>> current >>>>>>> state of things is that I spent a good time testing, fixing and >>>>>>> perfecting things, with the help of the community. My fear is >>>>>>> that an >>>>>>> attempt at a UB would break things and take too long to get right. >>>>>>> But >>>>>>> if anyone fancy a challenge, please be my guest. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think at this point, it might not be worth our while for too >>>>>>> long. >>>>>>> Apple is phasing out support for PPC, so I guess it would not be an >>>>>>> issue in the future. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Victor >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 18 Nov 2009, at 20:08, matt ingalls wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> is there any possibility of compiling csound framework as a >>>>>>>> Universal Binary? >>>>>>>> so that say, for instance, one could have QuteSound and MacCsound >>>>>>>> running on the same intel mac :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (btw, on 2 separate occassions i tried unsuccessfully to get a >>>>>>>> localized version of csound framework that would be inside the >>>>>>>> MacCsound bundle, using the install_name_tool and o_name tools -- >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> the nest of connections among the libraries were too complicated >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> something - i never got it to work) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> matt ingalls >>>>>>>> matt@sonomatics.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports >>>>>>>> 2008 >>>>>>>> 30-Day >>>>>>>> trial. 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Date	2009-11-20 23:27
From	Oeyvind Brandtsegg
Subject	Re: [Cs-dev] Csound plugins was Re: UB binary of csound framework
	Thanks a lot Art, this is very useful. One question though, if you have several Csound versions installed and want to make sure you use a particular version for a given piece, how do you deal with system variables like OPCODEDIR? When I've tried (e.g. running csound from the source dir after compiling), it seems the system OPCODEDIR overrides the opcodes found in the current working dir. I guess I could delete the system variable and get it working on my own computer. But it would be nice to be able to distribute a particular csound version with a piece, and being sure this was the one being used, regardless if any csound version is installed or not on the user's computer. best Oeyvind 2009/11/21 Art Hunkins : > No, I've no documentation, but the subject was discussed years ago on one of > these lists. Particular in the "Istvan days", when he was particularly > partial to a zip distro of Csound (and so was I, and still am, as are > others). > > I was also interested (as Matt was, and perhaps still is - welcome back, > Matt) in a minimal distro, particularly one I could distribute with my > realtime Csound comps to potential performers of my works - performers > without Csound installations and otherwise (perhaps) little interest in > Csound and its learning curve either. I wanted a minimal zip download to a > single directory, with performance in this directory - as, for example, in > the root directory of a USB drive. No .csoundrc, no environment variables, > no installation - and as little tech stuff as possible. > > I found that on Windows, the total Csound files needed to perform my > compositions were 8, plus my .csd and perhaps a .txt file of performer > directions. The 8 files (from Windows floats 5.06) are: > csound.exe > csound32.dll.5.1 > libsndfile-1.dll > pmidi.dll > portaudio.dll > rtpa.dll > rtwinmm.dll > stopcod.dll > > I chose 5.06 because it was the most recent version that: > 1) fully worked for my purposes (I needed MIDI); > 2) it required the smallest number of files; > 3) it posted the fewest WARNING messages (need we discuss this further?!) > > These files zip to < 1.2MB, and expand to 3MB. Put them on a small USB thumb > drive together with your .csd, all in the root directory, and you're ready > to go from the commandline. > > Note that these 8 files include all that's needed for MIDI input and any > Windows audio devices. (Of course, additional opcode .dll's can be added as > useful. I sometimes need pitch.dll, but my needs are pretty basic.) > > The keys are: 1) no .csoundrc file or Csound environment variables in your > system; 2) include any needed flags in the CsOptions of your .csd. In my > experience, all flags can be preset except for -M and perhaps -odac (device > numbers may need changing per system). For such basic editing I use the > Notepad available on any Windows system. > > This should point the way to simple Csound systems that could be used by > students, for example, on any available Windows computer. > > I go a step further, offering downloads of my performance pieces in > standalone Lettuce executable format. (This means a file combining > csound.exe, my .csd and a performance GUI in a single larger file.) As a > result performers need lot deal with the commandline, text editor, nor > changing orchestra macros by hand; just remain in Windows and click buttons. > (CsOptions can be modified within the GUI.) > > An example of such a self-contained download is > http://www.arthunkins.com/AdventSA.zip. It's a performer's download of > ADVENIAT REGNUM TUUM in a 2.5MB .zip archive, with the 7 files above, an > explanatory text file, and three Lettuce executable versions of my piece. > > Csound(Windows)-on-a-Stick? It works. > > Art Hunkins > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Oeyvind Brandtsegg" > To: "Developer discussions" > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 5:47 AM > Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Csound plugins was Re: UB binary of csound framework > > > I need to do something similar too, and I can probably find what I > need by searching the mail archives, but it would be nice if this > could be documented somewhere. Preferably in the manual too. > Art, do you have some documentation on this? > > all best > Oeyvind > > 2009/11/20 Rory Walsh : >> As far as I'm aware it looks in the bin directory. Art made a set of >> self contained zip distributions of some of his real time pieces and >> as far as I know users could just download and run them from the >> folder they extracted all the file into. >> >> Rory. >> >> >> >> 2009/11/20 Andres Cabrera : >>> I'm wondering.... Since Csound looks for OPCODEDIR before parsing the >>> command line (using -+env:OPCODEDIR to set it won't work), where would >>> the opcodes be looked for by default on the different platforms? In >>> the same path as the Csound executable? >>> >>> I'm asking this because it would be great to have a self contained >>> Csound that can be run without installing (without the need for >>> administrative access). >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Andrés >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Victor Lazzarini >>> wrote: >>>> Not sure of anything simple right now. You can try setting different >>>> OPCODEDIRs. But still there will be a need to supply UB dependencies. >>>> >>>> Victor >>>> On 19 Nov 2009, at 21:17, matt ingalls wrote: >>>> >>>>> yuck. there's not a way this can be handled in the framework >>>>> structure, with separate folders for each architecture or something? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 19, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You'll probably need to solve the problem of plugins, they will all >>>>>> have to be UB and >>>>>> their dependencies too. For instance, liblo will need to be made UB >>>>>> for libosc to be made >>>>>> UB so that Csound can have OSC opcodes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Victor >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 18 Nov 2009, at 20:40, matt ingalls wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> thanks Victor. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i agree that it maybe not worth it :) >>>>>>> ( i was actually about ready to retire MacCsound entirely- except >>>>>>> QuteSound still does not seem as good in real-time and GUI >>>>>>> response -- >>>>>>> even compared to MacCsound running in Rosetta) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i am willing to look into UB compile. >>>>>>> my apologies for being out of touch, but is there some kind of >>>>>>> document listing what 3rd-party libraries are being used, what >>>>>>> libraries are absolutely required, etc? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i also ask about this because i would be interested in getting >>>>>>> csound >>>>>>> running on an iPhone -- has anyone tried this yet? as far as i >>>>>>> understand iPhone apps can't use dynamic frameworks/libraries and i >>>>>>> was wondering if it would be possible to get all the 3rd party >>>>>>> libraries statically linked. (i assume this will violate some of the >>>>>>> GPL licenses?) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -m >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> While it might be possible to build a UB framework, there will be a >>>>>>>> lot of complication because of the dependencies that would have to >>>>>>>> themselves be UB. I thought about it, but I thought it was always >>>>>>>> simpler to build separate binaries. The main thing about the >>>>>>>> current >>>>>>>> state of things is that I spent a good time testing, fixing and >>>>>>>> perfecting things, with the help of the community. My fear is >>>>>>>> that an >>>>>>>> attempt at a UB would break things and take too long to get right. >>>>>>>> But >>>>>>>> if anyone fancy a challenge, please be my guest. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think at this point, it might not be worth our while for too >>>>>>>> long. >>>>>>>> Apple is phasing out support for PPC, so I guess it would not be an >>>>>>>> issue in the future. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Victor >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 18 Nov 2009, at 20:08, matt ingalls wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> is there any possibility of compiling csound framework as a >>>>>>>>> Universal Binary? >>>>>>>>> so that say, for instance, one could have QuteSound and MacCsound >>>>>>>>> running on the same intel mac :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (btw, on 2 separate occassions i tried unsuccessfully to get a >>>>>>>>> localized version of csound framework that would be inside the >>>>>>>>> MacCsound bundle, using the install_name_tool and o_name tools -- >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> the nest of connections among the libraries were too complicated >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> something - i never got it to work) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> matt ingalls >>>>>>>>> matt@sonomatics.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports >>>>>>>>> 2008 >>>>>>>>> 30-Day >>>>>>>>> trial. 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