My main concern is the XO and SoaS typical user (child) being able to 
straightforwardly access 5.10. And this is assuming we get 5.10 to work with 
python in Sugar.

Right now the only thing that works in Sugar is 5.08 (OLPCSound). No upgrade 
path to 5.10 (at least available to anyone but gurus [or is it guri?])

The upgrade path from the terminal via yum works to upgrade in SoaS, but 
this is not especially simple, nor is it accessible to the student through 
Sugar. (Perhaps unfortunately, Csound is not an Activity that can be easily 
downloaded and installed within Sugar.)

I assume SoaS-2 will solve all current issues with 5.10, assuming we get it 
working (in Sugar) by that time. I gather that this will leave OLPC as an 
orphan - unless by then, SoaS-2 *is* the software installed on XO-1. (Is 
this what's expected to happen?)

BTW, all this is a *far cry* from what I expected when I started working on 
an XO Activity. It's been a wild ride. (But I guess that's the world of 
Linux.)

Art Hunkins


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Victor Lazzarini" 
To: "Art Hunkins" ; "Developer discussions" 

Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Linux 5.10 build hints?


> olpcsound is not going to be updated to 5.10 because it clashes with 
> csound.
> This situation now exists because the olpc and fedora branches were
> merged, so we decided it was better to have a full csound 5.10 package
> instead of a stripped-down. There are not a lot of significant 
> diffferences,
> as the csound rpm is separated into subpackages (csound-python,
> csound-java, etc) that make it easy to install separate components.
>
> If the csound rpm package is broken, then it needs to be fixed.
>
> Victor
>
> At 16:09 27/07/2009, you wrote:
>> >From what I understand, OLPCsound will be around as long as the XO-1 is
>>around, or until a new Fedora build and download method for Activities 
>>(that
>>is standard) is established for the XO-1. The software situation with XO 
>>is
>>basically frozen (for the average user) and in a major state of flux.
>>
>>I'm assuming by OLPCsound you mean a slightly stripped-down version of 
>>5.08
>>(the one john ff described some time ago). I assume by Csound you are
>>referring to 5.10. Is this Csound comparably stripped down to OLPCsound?
>>(Hopefully it is, if it is designed to work with Sugar on a Stick and less
>>powerful [older] systems.)
>>
>>Also, OLPCsound has the advantage that it works with python scripts in
>>Sugar; at least for the moment "Csound" doesn't - not on the XO, not on
>>SoaS, not on *anything*.
>>
>>Yes, I'm working with Peter Robinson; unfortunately, I'm technically 
>>naive,
>>and my "help" usually amounts to fumbling in the dark.
>>
>>Art Hunkins
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Victor Lazzarini" 
>>To: "Developer discussions" 
>>Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 9:26 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Linux 5.10 build hints?
>>
>>
>> > There is no OLPCsound anymore, it's just csound. If the RPM is
>> > broken you will need to tell Peter Robinson who is the package
>> > maintainer.
>> >
>> > Victor
>> >
>> > At 19:44 26/07/2009, you wrote:
>> >>John,
>> >>
>> >>AFAIK, the problem may not actually be in the Csound build itself, but 
>> >>in
>> >>the building of the Python interface.
>> >>
>> >>When installing Csound in Sugar on a Stick, a csound-python package 
>> >>must
>> >>be
>> >>installed as well. It is this latter package that is probably faulty. 
>> >>The
>> >>signs are (when running Csound from your python script - the way things
>> >>are
>> >>done in Sugar): cannot import csnd.py or _csnd.so. (Those files are 
>> >>either
>> >>void or absent or bad or misplaced.)
>> >>
>> >>In a word, what is required here is simply a 5.10-updated OLPCsound. I
>> >>assume that python2.6 is required instead of the 2.5 you list.
>> >>
>> >>Also, I recall your saying that FLTK is not built for the OLPC (same
>> >>should
>> >>be for Sugar - to keep things lean), nor are the ambisonic opcodes
>> >>included.
>> >>I think other features were also not included; can you recall which 
>> >>ones?
>> >>
>> >>Thanks for your insights.
>> >>
>> >>Art Hunkins
>> >>
>> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: 
>> >>To: "Art Hunkins" ; "Developer discussions"
>> >>
>> >>Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 2:11 PM
>> >>Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Linux 5.10 build hints?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >> I'd appreciate knowing of *anyone* with a successful Linux build of
>> >> >> 5.10,
>> >> >> and what (if any) tricks you needed to play in order for it to 
>> >> >> work.
>> >> >
>> >> > No tricks; just ran my usual script
>> >> >
>> >> > scons buildCsoundVST=0 generateTags=1 useJack=1 generateZip=0
>> >> > usePortMIDI=1 install=0 useALSA=1 useOSC=1 buildInterfaces=1
>> >> > buildTclcsound=1 buildJavaWrapper=1 pythonVersion=2.5
>> >> > buildPythonOpcodes=1
>> >> > noDebug=0 buildPDClass=1 buildWinsound=1 useUDP=1 buildNewParser=1
>> >> > useGettext=1 gcc4opt=i386 buildVirtual=1 buildCsoundAC=0 
>> >> > includeMP3=1
>> >> > includeWii=1 includeP5Glove=1 NewParserDebug=1
>> >> >
>> >> > No problems at all.
>> >> >
>> >> > What re the problemsyou are experiencing?
>> >> >
>> >> > ==John ff
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
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