Re: [Cs-dev] Max number of outlets in a UDO ?

Date	2006-05-16 13:29
From	"Michael Gogins"
Subject	Re: [Cs-dev] Max number of outlets in a UDO ?
	It pains me to say this, Richard, but this kind of language is very clearly not appropriate in a public discussion. I think an apology would be in order. This seems very unlike you, so one wonders if you are under some sort of personal stress, but still.... Best regards, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Richard Boulanger" To: Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Max number of outlets in a UDO ? > UDO's are quite new and many Csound users have yet to realize their > potential. > > MIDI AND OSC controllers - such at the iCube, MIDItron, Lightning, > Thunder, Lemur, Radio Baton, > p5-Glove and Trigger Finger - all systems that I personally use with > Csound and all systems that I > teach my students to use with Csound - put out more than 24 streams of > data and thus.... i and > my students needed this limit increased. > > and as I though you said... THERE IS NO REASON NOT TO INCREASE THIS LIMIT > - except perhaps for the fact that, once again, you are trying to > exercise and demonstrate > some sort of power - control - i am the head developer - the i decide > what's in and out - the i rule Csound THING > - i decide how many opcodes is enough, i decide how many arguments is > enough, i decide how many p-fields > is enough, i decide if we need a new parser or not > > YOU TOLD US THAT THERE IS A SPEED INCREASE BY USING POWERS OF 2 > - well.... is 24 a power of 2 or a multiple of 2? I think that 64 is a > power of 2 and would > thus result in a speed increase as well as satisfying my current > developmental need. > > Since you are all developers here, I hope you can appreciate my > sensitivity > here when I say to you Istvan - CUT THE FUCKING SHIT > > If you and ALL of the Csound Developers would like, I will be happy to > shut down cSounds.com, > save the time and money that is cost me personally, and stop > communicating with this list and this > online community completely - this sort of BULLSHIT is what caused Paris > Smaragdis to leave this > community some years ago and that was a serious loss. We also lost Greg > Thompson this way as > well - incredible Csounders and Incredibly Musician/Developers. > INCREDIBLE - and INCOMPARABLE. > gone.... And I think this is why Barry Vercoe himself does not read the > list.... He would rather do his own > thing, and develop his own versions of the program and not deal with all > this CRAP. > > Well... I'm getting there too. Thank you very much. > > I need more than 24 - that's it. And I don't want a special version of > the program. I want the program to be improved > and support controllers such as these in the form of UDO's that are being > developed for them by my current collaborator > David Akbari - unless we'd like him to leave the community too. He told > me he needed more than 24 to get a full > Lemur prototype in place for me and support for the new version of the > wireless Radio Baton. (yes there is only one > of these in the world right now.... and i will have it in a few weeks... > I'd like to use it with Csound!) > > So.... > > Thanks for the stack opcodes. Happy about them. But, conceptually, they > are > not as simple as what we were trying to do with UDO's. > > This is such petty CRAP. Are there any developers in this community who > could increase > this limitation in the next release of Csound5? I would really > appreciate it. > > Thank you. > > (and to those of you I have offended, please forgive me, but... it's been > a difficult year > and I have little patience left for this sort of BULLSHIT) > > Dr. B. > > > On May 15, 2006, at 5:57 PM, Istvan Varga wrote: > >> I already explained that it is possible and easy to work around the >> limitation, and I do not like the idea of changing the limit for a >> small minority of uses (note that no one complained about the 24 >> arguments for more than 3 years). >> Maybe in the future a more scalable (albeit also more complex) >> implementation will be developed. >> >> On Monday 15 May 2006 14:04, Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote: >> >>> because 24 is not enough for my work and 64 will make all that I am >>> currently developing easier for those helping with my development. >>> >>> and >>> >>> i would appreciate it very much. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> Using Tomcat but need to do more? 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Date	2006-05-16 18:48
From	matt ingalls
Subject	Re: [Cs-dev] Max number of outlets in a UDO ?
	well not appropriate but i can understand Rick's frustration -- i have to admit i've written very similar emails to this list but stopped myself right before sending.. luckily i don't have the time anymore to keep up with this list. jeezus just boost the number to 64 - it can't be that much of cpu hit, can it? usability trumps performance every-time imo! On May 16, 2006, at 5:29 AM, Michael Gogins wrote: > It pains me to say this, Richard, but this kind of language is very > clearly not appropriate in a public discussion. I think an apology > would be in order. This seems very unlike you, so one wonders if > you are under some sort of personal stress, but still.... > > Best regards, > Mike > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Richard Boulanger" > > To: > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Max number of outlets in a UDO ? > > >> UDO's are quite new and many Csound users have yet to realize >> their potential. >> >> MIDI AND OSC controllers - such at the iCube, MIDItron, Lightning, >> Thunder, Lemur, Radio Baton, >> p5-Glove and Trigger Finger - all systems that I personally use >> with Csound and all systems that I >> teach my students to use with Csound - put out more than 24 >> streams of data and thus.... i and >> my students needed this limit increased. >> >> and as I though you said... THERE IS NO REASON NOT TO INCREASE >> THIS LIMIT >> - except perhaps for the fact that, once again, you are trying to >> exercise and demonstrate >> some sort of power - control - i am the head developer - the i >> decide what's in and out - the i rule Csound THING >> - i decide how many opcodes is enough, i decide how many arguments >> is enough, i decide how many p-fields >> is enough, i decide if we need a new parser or not >> >> YOU TOLD US THAT THERE IS A SPEED INCREASE BY USING POWERS OF 2 >> - well.... is 24 a power of 2 or a multiple of 2? I think that 64 >> is a power of 2 and would >> thus result in a speed increase as well as satisfying my current >> developmental need. >> >> Since you are all developers here, I hope you can appreciate my >> sensitivity >> here when I say to you Istvan - CUT THE FUCKING SHIT >> >> If you and ALL of the Csound Developers would like, I will be >> happy to shut down cSounds.com, >> save the time and money that is cost me personally, and stop >> communicating with this list and this >> online community completely - this sort of BULLSHIT is what >> caused Paris Smaragdis to leave this >> community some years ago and that was a serious loss. We also >> lost Greg Thompson this way as >> well - incredible Csounders and Incredibly Musician/Developers. >> INCREDIBLE - and INCOMPARABLE. >> gone.... And I think this is why Barry Vercoe himself does not >> read the list.... He would rather do his own >> thing, and develop his own versions of the program and not deal >> with all this CRAP. >> >> Well... I'm getting there too. Thank you very much. >> >> I need more than 24 - that's it. And I don't want a special >> version of the program. I want the program to be improved >> and support controllers such as these in the form of UDO's that >> are being developed for them by my current collaborator >> David Akbari - unless we'd like him to leave the community too. >> He told me he needed more than 24 to get a full >> Lemur prototype in place for me and support for the new version >> of the wireless Radio Baton. (yes there is only one >> of these in the world right now.... and i will have it in a few >> weeks... I'd like to use it with Csound!) >> >> So.... >> >> Thanks for the stack opcodes. Happy about them. But, >> conceptually, they are >> not as simple as what we were trying to do with UDO's. >> >> This is such petty CRAP. Are there any developers in this >> community who could increase >> this limitation in the next release of Csound5? I would really >> appreciate it. >> >> Thank you. >> >> (and to those of you I have offended, please forgive me, but... >> it's been a difficult year >> and I have little patience left for this sort of BULLSHIT) >> >> Dr. B. >> >> >> On May 15, 2006, at 5:57 PM, Istvan Varga wrote: >> >>> I already explained that it is possible and easy to work around the >>> limitation, and I do not like the idea of changing the limit for a >>> small minority of uses (note that no one complained about the 24 >>> arguments for more than 3 years). >>> Maybe in the future a more scalable (albeit also more complex) >>> implementation will be developed. >>> >>> On Monday 15 May 2006 14:04, Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote: >>> >>>> because 24 is not enough for my work and 64 will make all that I am >>>> currently developing easier for those helping with my development. >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> i would appreciate it very much. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, >>> security? >>> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make >>> your job easier >>> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache >>> Geronimo >>> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? >>> cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Csound-devel mailing list >>> Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, >> security? >> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your >> job easier >> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache >> Geronimo >> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? >> cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 >> _______________________________________________ >> Csound-devel mailing list >> Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your > job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? > cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Csound-devel mailing list > Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel > ------------------------------------------------------- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 _______________________________________________ Csound-devel mailing list Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net