I'm wondering.... Since Csound looks for OPCODEDIR before parsing the
command line (using -+env:OPCODEDIR to set it won't work), where would
the opcodes be looked for by default on the different platforms? In
the same path as the Csound executable?

I'm asking this because it would be great to have a self contained
Csound that can be run without installing (without the need for
administrative access).

Cheers,
Andrés

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Victor Lazzarini
 wrote:
> Not sure of anything simple right now. You can try setting different
> OPCODEDIRs. But still there will be a need to supply UB dependencies.
>
> Victor
> On 19 Nov 2009, at 21:17, matt ingalls wrote:
>
>> yuck.  there's not a way this can be handled in the framework
>> structure, with separate folders for each architecture or something?
>>
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>
>>> You'll probably need to solve the problem of plugins, they will all
>>> have to be UB and
>>> their dependencies too. For instance, liblo will need to be made UB
>>> for libosc to be made
>>> UB so that Csound can have OSC opcodes.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>>
>>>
>>> On 18 Nov 2009, at 20:40, matt ingalls wrote:
>>>
>>>> thanks Victor.
>>>>
>>>> i agree that it maybe not worth it :)
>>>> ( i was actually about ready to retire MacCsound entirely- except
>>>> QuteSound still does not seem as good in real-time and GUI
>>>> response --
>>>> even compared to MacCsound running in Rosetta)
>>>>
>>>> i am willing to look into UB compile.
>>>> my apologies for being out of touch, but is there some kind of
>>>> document listing what 3rd-party libraries are being used,  what
>>>> libraries are absolutely required, etc?
>>>>
>>>> i also ask about this because i would be interested in getting
>>>> csound
>>>> running on an iPhone -- has anyone tried this yet?  as far as i
>>>> understand iPhone apps can't use dynamic frameworks/libraries and i
>>>> was wondering if it would be possible to get all the 3rd party
>>>> libraries statically linked. (i assume this will violate some of the
>>>> GPL licenses?)
>>>>
>>>> -m
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 18, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> While it might be possible to build a UB framework, there will be a
>>>>> lot of complication because of the dependencies that would have to
>>>>> themselves be UB. I thought about it, but I thought it was always
>>>>> simpler to build separate binaries. The main thing about the
>>>>> current
>>>>> state of things is that I spent a good time testing, fixing and
>>>>> perfecting things, with the help of the community. My fear is
>>>>> that an
>>>>> attempt at a UB would break things and take too long to get right.
>>>>> But
>>>>> if anyone fancy a challenge, please be my guest.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think at this point, it might not be worth our while for too
>>>>> long.
>>>>> Apple is phasing out support for PPC, so I guess it would not be an
>>>>> issue in the future.
>>>>>
>>>>> Victor
>>>>>
>>>>> On 18 Nov 2009, at 20:08, matt ingalls wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> is there *any* possibility of compiling csound framework as a
>>>>>> Universal Binary?
>>>>>> so that say, for instance, one could have QuteSound and MacCsound
>>>>>> running on the same intel mac :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (btw, on 2 separate occassions i tried unsuccessfully to get a
>>>>>> localized version of csound framework that would be inside the
>>>>>> MacCsound bundle, using the install_name_tool and o_name tools --
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> the nest of connections among the libraries were too complicated
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> something - i never got it to work)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> matt ingalls
>>>>>> matt@sonomatics.com
>>>>>>
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As far as I'm aware it looks in the bin directory. Art made a set of
self contained zip distributions of some of his real time pieces and
as far as I know users could just download and run them from the
folder they extracted all the file into.

Rory.



2009/11/20 Andres Cabrera :
> I'm wondering.... Since Csound looks for OPCODEDIR before parsing the
> command line (using -+env:OPCODEDIR to set it won't work), where would
> the opcodes be looked for by default on the different platforms? In
> the same path as the Csound executable?
>
> I'm asking this because it would be great to have a self contained
> Csound that can be run without installing (without the need for
> administrative access).
>
> Cheers,
> Andrés
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Victor Lazzarini
>  wrote:
>> Not sure of anything simple right now. You can try setting different
>> OPCODEDIRs. But still there will be a need to supply UB dependencies.
>>
>> Victor
>> On 19 Nov 2009, at 21:17, matt ingalls wrote:
>>
>>> yuck.  there's not a way this can be handled in the framework
>>> structure, with separate folders for each architecture or something?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 19, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>
>>>> You'll probably need to solve the problem of plugins, they will all
>>>> have to be UB and
>>>> their dependencies too. For instance, liblo will need to be made UB
>>>> for libosc to be made
>>>> UB so that Csound can have OSC opcodes.
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 18 Nov 2009, at 20:40, matt ingalls wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> thanks Victor.
>>>>>
>>>>> i agree that it maybe not worth it :)
>>>>> ( i was actually about ready to retire MacCsound entirely- except
>>>>> QuteSound still does not seem as good in real-time and GUI
>>>>> response --
>>>>> even compared to MacCsound running in Rosetta)
>>>>>
>>>>> i am willing to look into UB compile.
>>>>> my apologies for being out of touch, but is there some kind of
>>>>> document listing what 3rd-party libraries are being used,  what
>>>>> libraries are absolutely required, etc?
>>>>>
>>>>> i also ask about this because i would be interested in getting
>>>>> csound
>>>>> running on an iPhone -- has anyone tried this yet?  as far as i
>>>>> understand iPhone apps can't use dynamic frameworks/libraries and i
>>>>> was wondering if it would be possible to get all the 3rd party
>>>>> libraries statically linked. (i assume this will violate some of the
>>>>> GPL licenses?)
>>>>>
>>>>> -m
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 18, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> While it might be possible to build a UB framework, there will be a
>>>>>> lot of complication because of the dependencies that would have to
>>>>>> themselves be UB. I thought about it, but I thought it was always
>>>>>> simpler to build separate binaries. The main thing about the
>>>>>> current
>>>>>> state of things is that I spent a good time testing, fixing and
>>>>>> perfecting things, with the help of the community. My fear is
>>>>>> that an
>>>>>> attempt at a UB would break things and take too long to get right.
>>>>>> But
>>>>>> if anyone fancy a challenge, please be my guest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think at this point, it might not be worth our while for too
>>>>>> long.
>>>>>> Apple is phasing out support for PPC, so I guess it would not be an
>>>>>> issue in the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18 Nov 2009, at 20:08, matt ingalls wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> is there *any* possibility of compiling csound framework as a
>>>>>>> Universal Binary?
>>>>>>> so that say, for instance, one could have QuteSound and MacCsound
>>>>>>> running on the same intel mac :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (btw, on 2 separate occassions i tried unsuccessfully to get a
>>>>>>> localized version of csound framework that would be inside the
>>>>>>> MacCsound bundle, using the install_name_tool and o_name tools --
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> the nest of connections among the libraries were too complicated
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> something - i never got it to work)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> matt ingalls
>>>>>>> matt@sonomatics.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>> development@gvox.com
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I need to do something similar too, and I can probably find what I
need by searching the mail archives, but it would be nice if this
could be documented somewhere. Preferably in the manual too.
Art, do you have some documentation on this?

all best
Oeyvind

2009/11/20 Rory Walsh :
> As far as I'm aware it looks in the bin directory. Art made a set of
> self contained zip distributions of some of his real time pieces and
> as far as I know users could just download and run them from the
> folder they extracted all the file into.
>
> Rory.
>
>
>
> 2009/11/20 Andres Cabrera :
>> I'm wondering.... Since Csound looks for OPCODEDIR before parsing the
>> command line (using -+env:OPCODEDIR to set it won't work), where would
>> the opcodes be looked for by default on the different platforms? In
>> the same path as the Csound executable?
>>
>> I'm asking this because it would be great to have a self contained
>> Csound that can be run without installing (without the need for
>> administrative access).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andrés
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Victor Lazzarini
>>  wrote:
>>> Not sure of anything simple right now. You can try setting different
>>> OPCODEDIRs. But still there will be a need to supply UB dependencies.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>> On 19 Nov 2009, at 21:17, matt ingalls wrote:
>>>
>>>> yuck.  there's not a way this can be handled in the framework
>>>> structure, with separate folders for each architecture or something?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 19, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You'll probably need to solve the problem of plugins, they will all
>>>>> have to be UB and
>>>>> their dependencies too. For instance, liblo will need to be made UB
>>>>> for libosc to be made
>>>>> UB so that Csound can have OSC opcodes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Victor
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 18 Nov 2009, at 20:40, matt ingalls wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks Victor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i agree that it maybe not worth it :)
>>>>>> ( i was actually about ready to retire MacCsound entirely- except
>>>>>> QuteSound still does not seem as good in real-time and GUI
>>>>>> response --
>>>>>> even compared to MacCsound running in Rosetta)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i am willing to look into UB compile.
>>>>>> my apologies for being out of touch, but is there some kind of
>>>>>> document listing what 3rd-party libraries are being used,  what
>>>>>> libraries are absolutely required, etc?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i also ask about this because i would be interested in getting
>>>>>> csound
>>>>>> running on an iPhone -- has anyone tried this yet?  as far as i
>>>>>> understand iPhone apps can't use dynamic frameworks/libraries and i
>>>>>> was wondering if it would be possible to get all the 3rd party
>>>>>> libraries statically linked. (i assume this will violate some of the
>>>>>> GPL licenses?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -m
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While it might be possible to build a UB framework, there will be a
>>>>>>> lot of complication because of the dependencies that would have to
>>>>>>> themselves be UB. I thought about it, but I thought it was always
>>>>>>> simpler to build separate binaries. The main thing about the
>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>> state of things is that I spent a good time testing, fixing and
>>>>>>> perfecting things, with the help of the community. My fear is
>>>>>>> that an
>>>>>>> attempt at a UB would break things and take too long to get right.
>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>> if anyone fancy a challenge, please be my guest.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think at this point, it might not be worth our while for too
>>>>>>> long.
>>>>>>> Apple is phasing out support for PPC, so I guess it would not be an
>>>>>>> issue in the future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 18 Nov 2009, at 20:08, matt ingalls wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> is there *any* possibility of compiling csound framework as a
>>>>>>>> Universal Binary?
>>>>>>>> so that say, for instance, one could have QuteSound and MacCsound
>>>>>>>> running on the same intel mac :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (btw, on 2 separate occassions i tried unsuccessfully to get a
>>>>>>>> localized version of csound framework that would be inside the
>>>>>>>> MacCsound bundle, using the install_name_tool and o_name tools --
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> the nest of connections among the libraries were too complicated
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> something - i never got it to work)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> matt ingalls
>>>>>>>> matt@sonomatics.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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On OSX, the default place is inside the framework in Resources/Opcodes.
On 20 Nov 2009, at 08:37, Andres Cabrera wrote:

> I'm wondering.... Since Csound looks for OPCODEDIR before parsing the
> command line (using -+env:OPCODEDIR to set it won't work), where would
> the opcodes be looked for by default on the different platforms? In
> the same path as the Csound executable?
>
> I'm asking this because it would be great to have a self contained
> Csound that can be run without installing (without the need for
> administrative access).
>
> Cheers,
> Andrés
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Victor Lazzarini
>  wrote:
>> Not sure of anything simple right now. You can try setting different
>> OPCODEDIRs. But still there will be a need to supply UB dependencies.
>>
>> Victor
>> On 19 Nov 2009, at 21:17, matt ingalls wrote:
>>
>>> yuck.  there's not a way this can be handled in the framework
>>> structure, with separate folders for each architecture or something?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 19, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>
>>>> You'll probably need to solve the problem of plugins, they will all
>>>> have to be UB and
>>>> their dependencies too. For instance, liblo will need to be made UB
>>>> for libosc to be made
>>>> UB so that Csound can have OSC opcodes.
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 18 Nov 2009, at 20:40, matt ingalls wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> thanks Victor.
>>>>>
>>>>> i agree that it maybe not worth it :)
>>>>> ( i was actually about ready to retire MacCsound entirely- except
>>>>> QuteSound still does not seem as good in real-time and GUI
>>>>> response --
>>>>> even compared to MacCsound running in Rosetta)
>>>>>
>>>>> i am willing to look into UB compile.
>>>>> my apologies for being out of touch, but is there some kind of
>>>>> document listing what 3rd-party libraries are being used,  what
>>>>> libraries are absolutely required, etc?
>>>>>
>>>>> i also ask about this because i would be interested in getting
>>>>> csound
>>>>> running on an iPhone -- has anyone tried this yet?  as far as i
>>>>> understand iPhone apps can't use dynamic frameworks/libraries  
>>>>> and i
>>>>> was wondering if it would be possible to get all the 3rd party
>>>>> libraries statically linked. (i assume this will violate some of  
>>>>> the
>>>>> GPL licenses?)
>>>>>
>>>>> -m
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 18, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> While it might be possible to build a UB framework, there will  
>>>>>> be a
>>>>>> lot of complication because of the dependencies that would have  
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> themselves be UB. I thought about it, but I thought it was always
>>>>>> simpler to build separate binaries. The main thing about the
>>>>>> current
>>>>>> state of things is that I spent a good time testing, fixing and
>>>>>> perfecting things, with the help of the community. My fear is
>>>>>> that an
>>>>>> attempt at a UB would break things and take too long to get  
>>>>>> right.
>>>>>> But
>>>>>> if anyone fancy a challenge, please be my guest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think at this point, it might not be worth our while for too
>>>>>> long.
>>>>>> Apple is phasing out support for PPC, so I guess it would not  
>>>>>> be an
>>>>>> issue in the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18 Nov 2009, at 20:08, matt ingalls wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> is there *any* possibility of compiling csound framework as a
>>>>>>> Universal Binary?
>>>>>>> so that say, for instance, one could have QuteSound and  
>>>>>>> MacCsound
>>>>>>> running on the same intel mac :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (btw, on 2 separate occassions i tried unsuccessfully to get a
>>>>>>> localized version of csound framework that would be inside the
>>>>>>> MacCsound bundle, using the install_name_tool and o_name tools  
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> the nest of connections among the libraries were too complicated
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> something - i never got it to work)
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> matt@sonomatics.com
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On Debian, the default is /usr/lib/csound/plugins64-5.2. However, if you 
use buildRelease=0, csound will default to the current directory. The 
original default is /usr/local/lib/csound/plugins64. You can see 
Top/csmodule.c where it defines the default places (I wonder why there 
are no defaults for Windows and Mac there).

Andres Cabrera wrote:
> I'm wondering.... Since Csound looks for OPCODEDIR before parsing the
> command line (using -+env:OPCODEDIR to set it won't work), where would
> the opcodes be looked for by default on the different platforms? In
> the same path as the Csound executable?
> 
> I'm asking this because it would be great to have a self contained
> Csound that can be run without installing (without the need for
> administrative access).
> 
> Cheers,
> Andrés
> 
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Victor Lazzarini
>  wrote:
>> Not sure of anything simple right now. You can try setting different
>> OPCODEDIRs. But still there will be a need to supply UB dependencies.
>>
>> Victor
>> On 19 Nov 2009, at 21:17, matt ingalls wrote:
>>
>>> yuck.  there's not a way this can be handled in the framework
>>> structure, with separate folders for each architecture or something?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 19, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>
>>>> You'll probably need to solve the problem of plugins, they will all
>>>> have to be UB and
>>>> their dependencies too. For instance, liblo will need to be made UB
>>>> for libosc to be made
>>>> UB so that Csound can have OSC opcodes.
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 18 Nov 2009, at 20:40, matt ingalls wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> thanks Victor.
>>>>>
>>>>> i agree that it maybe not worth it :)
>>>>> ( i was actually about ready to retire MacCsound entirely- except
>>>>> QuteSound still does not seem as good in real-time and GUI
>>>>> response --
>>>>> even compared to MacCsound running in Rosetta)
>>>>>
>>>>> i am willing to look into UB compile.
>>>>> my apologies for being out of touch, but is there some kind of
>>>>> document listing what 3rd-party libraries are being used,  what
>>>>> libraries are absolutely required, etc?
>>>>>
>>>>> i also ask about this because i would be interested in getting
>>>>> csound
>>>>> running on an iPhone -- has anyone tried this yet?  as far as i
>>>>> understand iPhone apps can't use dynamic frameworks/libraries and i
>>>>> was wondering if it would be possible to get all the 3rd party
>>>>> libraries statically linked. (i assume this will violate some of the
>>>>> GPL licenses?)
>>>>>
>>>>> -m
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 18, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> While it might be possible to build a UB framework, there will be a
>>>>>> lot of complication because of the dependencies that would have to
>>>>>> themselves be UB. I thought about it, but I thought it was always
>>>>>> simpler to build separate binaries. The main thing about the
>>>>>> current
>>>>>> state of things is that I spent a good time testing, fixing and
>>>>>> perfecting things, with the help of the community. My fear is
>>>>>> that an
>>>>>> attempt at a UB would break things and take too long to get right.
>>>>>> But
>>>>>> if anyone fancy a challenge, please be my guest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think at this point, it might not be worth our while for too
>>>>>> long.
>>>>>> Apple is phasing out support for PPC, so I guess it would not be an
>>>>>> issue in the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18 Nov 2009, at 20:08, matt ingalls wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> is there *any* possibility of compiling csound framework as a
>>>>>>> Universal Binary?
>>>>>>> so that say, for instance, one could have QuteSound and MacCsound
>>>>>>> running on the same intel mac :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (btw, on 2 separate occassions i tried unsuccessfully to get a
>>>>>>> localized version of csound framework that would be inside the
>>>>>>> MacCsound bundle, using the install_name_tool and o_name tools --
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> the nest of connections among the libraries were too complicated
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> something - i never got it to work)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> matt ingalls
>>>>>>> matt@sonomatics.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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