Some more on the upcoming release (now in CVS)
1: GEN43 has been totally rewritten and is I think now correct

2: In score reading the system will allow more than PMAX arguments,
the additional ones placed elsewhere.  Most of the gens are aware of
this new structure, so I hope this will satisfy the calls for very
large values of PMAX.  Still to be done to allow twarp events more
arguments and a few tidy-ups

Now the problem is when to make the release.  We seem to be suffering
from serial holidays!  Any real suggestions for a timetable?
==John ffitch

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What was the problem with GEN43?
----- Original Message ----- 
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> Some more on the upcoming release (now in CVS)
> 1: GEN43 has been totally rewritten and is I think now correct
>
> 2: In score reading the system will allow more than PMAX arguments,
> the additional ones placed elsewhere.  Most of the gens are aware of
> this new structure, so I hope this will satisfy the calls for very
> large values of PMAX.  Still to be done to allow twarp events more
> arguments and a few tidy-ups
>
> Now the problem is when to make the release.  We seem to be suffering
> from serial holidays!  Any real suggestions for a timetable?
> ==John ffitch
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the problem is that I cannot type!  Actually it was Gen26
Obviously I need a holiday!
==John

> What was the problem with GEN43?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jpff" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:08 AM
> Subject: [Cs-dev] More about next release
>
>
>> Some more on the upcoming release (now in CVS)
>> 1: GEN43 has been totally rewritten and is I think now correct
>>
>> 2: In score reading the system will allow more than PMAX arguments,
>> the additional ones placed elsewhere.  Most of the gens are aware of
>> this new structure, so I hope this will satisfy the calls for very
>> large values of PMAX.  Still to be done to allow twarp events more
>> arguments and a few tidy-ups
>>
>> Now the problem is when to make the release.  We seem to be suffering
>> from serial holidays!  Any real suggestions for a timetable?
>> ==John ffitch
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I will leave the scheduling to others....

I have created 2 new Csound opcodes, outlet (a and k) and inlet (a and k).

outleta or outletk "outetname", asignal or ksignal; sourceinso is implicit

asignal or xsignal inleta or inletk sourceinso, "outletname"

These permit instruments to send k-rate and a-rate time domain signals
directly to each other. This in turn enables the construction of
complete signal flow graphs in Csound, as in Pure Data or Buzz. When
source instruments are dynamically allocated, their outlets
automatically connect themselves to the inlets of the original sink
instruments. This should simplify the design of mixers, effect
processing chains, effect side chains, and so on in Csound. Written,
but not tested or documented. I may also be able to do this for fsigs.

It would be useful if there were a new "effect" block in the Csound
orchestra, which would declare an instrument that would always be on,
not requiring a score statement to activate. Any ideas on how to do
this?

Or can this already be done in the orchestra header using existing opcodes?

Cabel is a Python program that allows one to create and edit Csound
orchestras using a visual patching paradigm as in Pure Data. I have
made some improvements to Cabel (turns out I am still a Cabel
developer on SourceForge):

(1) Pfields module enables the use of Cabel patches both with Csound
scores and with real-time MIDI controllers.

(2) I have booked into CVS Valle's "modulor.py" script for creating
Cabel modules for all Csound opcodes.

(3) I am modifying modulor.py so that all opcode intypes and outtypes
will be correct in Cabel modules, including strings, which were not
previously handled.

Question: Should I include Cabel and all its modules in the Csound
Windows installer? It requires wxPython. How many people would be
interested in using Cabel? I know I will be using it.

Thanks to Drew Krause for drawing my attention back to Cabel....

Regards,
Mike

On 8/28/09, jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk  wrote:
> the problem is that I cannot type!  Actually it was Gen26
> Obviously I need a holiday!
> ==John
>
>> What was the problem with GEN43?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "jpff" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:08 AM
>> Subject: [Cs-dev] More about next release
>>
>>
>>> Some more on the upcoming release (now in CVS)
>>> 1: GEN43 has been totally rewritten and is I think now correct
>>>
>>> 2: In score reading the system will allow more than PMAX arguments,
>>> the additional ones placed elsewhere.  Most of the gens are aware of
>>> this new structure, so I hope this will satisfy the calls for very
>>> large values of PMAX.  Still to be done to allow twarp events more
>>> arguments and a few tidy-ups
>>>
>>> Now the problem is when to make the release.  We seem to be suffering
>>> from serial holidays!  Any real suggestions for a timetable?
>>> ==John ffitch
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Hi Michael,

For doing mixers and effects, I handle all of it in blue code and that
compiles down to using ga signals between instruments.  For the mixer,
it is a single instrument that uses many calls to UDO's with one UDO
per effect system.  This has worked well for blue.

As for an effect block, I do not think it will work.  The reason for
this are effects that have tail processing time like reverbs.  blue
generates a single giant mixer instrument and calculates the generated
score length, then afterwards write a single note to run the mixer for
the score length + extra time designated by the user.  This helps to
ensure that all reverbs and delays will fully process.

I find Cabel interesting but wonder why we keep including so many
projects into the installer of Csound instead of keeping them
separately managed and supported projects? I am increasingly thinking
that a barebones distribution of Csound that can easily be used by
developers of other programs will be beneficial to have.

steven

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Michael Gogins wrote:
> I will leave the scheduling to others....
>
> I have created 2 new Csound opcodes, outlet (a and k) and inlet (a and k).
>
> outleta or outletk "outetname", asignal or ksignal; sourceinso is implicit
>
> asignal or xsignal inleta or inletk sourceinso, "outletname"
>
> These permit instruments to send k-rate and a-rate time domain signals
> directly to each other. This in turn enables the construction of
> complete signal flow graphs in Csound, as in Pure Data or Buzz. When
> source instruments are dynamically allocated, their outlets
> automatically connect themselves to the inlets of the original sink
> instruments. This should simplify the design of mixers, effect
> processing chains, effect side chains, and so on in Csound. Written,
> but not tested or documented. I may also be able to do this for fsigs.
>
> It would be useful if there were a new "effect" block in the Csound
> orchestra, which would declare an instrument that would always be on,
> not requiring a score statement to activate. Any ideas on how to do
> this?
>
> Or can this already be done in the orchestra header using existing opcodes?
>
> Cabel is a Python program that allows one to create and edit Csound
> orchestras using a visual patching paradigm as in Pure Data. I have
> made some improvements to Cabel (turns out I am still a Cabel
> developer on SourceForge):
>
> (1) Pfields module enables the use of Cabel patches both with Csound
> scores and with real-time MIDI controllers.
>
> (2) I have booked into CVS Valle's "modulor.py" script for creating
> Cabel modules for all Csound opcodes.
>
> (3) I am modifying modulor.py so that all opcode intypes and outtypes
> will be correct in Cabel modules, including strings, which were not
> previously handled.
>
> Question: Should I include Cabel and all its modules in the Csound
> Windows installer? It requires wxPython. How many people would be
> interested in using Cabel? I know I will be using it.
>
> Thanks to Drew Krause for drawing my attention back to Cabel....
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> On 8/28/09, jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk  wrote:
>> the problem is that I cannot type!  Actually it was Gen26
>> Obviously I need a holiday!
>> ==John
>>
>>> What was the problem with GEN43?
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "jpff" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:08 AM
>>> Subject: [Cs-dev] More about next release
>>>
>>>
>>>> Some more on the upcoming release (now in CVS)
>>>> 1: GEN43 has been totally rewritten and is I think now correct
>>>>
>>>> 2: In score reading the system will allow more than PMAX arguments,
>>>> the additional ones placed elsewhere.  Most of the gens are aware of
>>>> this new structure, so I hope this will satisfy the calls for very
>>>> large values of PMAX.  Still to be done to allow twarp events more
>>>> arguments and a few tidy-ups
>>>>
>>>> Now the problem is when to make the release.  We seem to be suffering
>>>> from serial holidays!  Any real suggestions for a timetable?
>>>> ==John ffitch
>>>>
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The next installer will permit the installation of such a bare bones system.

I take your point about tails.

Are you now settled in New York?

Best,
Mike

On 8/28/09, Steven Yi  wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> For doing mixers and effects, I handle all of it in blue code and that
> compiles down to using ga signals between instruments.  For the mixer,
> it is a single instrument that uses many calls to UDO's with one UDO
> per effect system.  This has worked well for blue.
>
> As for an effect block, I do not think it will work.  The reason for
> this are effects that have tail processing time like reverbs.  blue
> generates a single giant mixer instrument and calculates the generated
> score length, then afterwards write a single note to run the mixer for
> the score length + extra time designated by the user.  This helps to
> ensure that all reverbs and delays will fully process.
>
> I find Cabel interesting but wonder why we keep including so many
> projects into the installer of Csound instead of keeping them
> separately managed and supported projects? I am increasingly thinking
> that a barebones distribution of Csound that can easily be used by
> developers of other programs will be beneficial to have.
>
> steven
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Michael Gogins
> wrote:
>> I will leave the scheduling to others....
>>
>> I have created 2 new Csound opcodes, outlet (a and k) and inlet (a and k).
>>
>> outleta or outletk "outetname", asignal or ksignal; sourceinso is implicit
>>
>> asignal or xsignal inleta or inletk sourceinso, "outletname"
>>
>> These permit instruments to send k-rate and a-rate time domain signals
>> directly to each other. This in turn enables the construction of
>> complete signal flow graphs in Csound, as in Pure Data or Buzz. When
>> source instruments are dynamically allocated, their outlets
>> automatically connect themselves to the inlets of the original sink
>> instruments. This should simplify the design of mixers, effect
>> processing chains, effect side chains, and so on in Csound. Written,
>> but not tested or documented. I may also be able to do this for fsigs.
>>
>> It would be useful if there were a new "effect" block in the Csound
>> orchestra, which would declare an instrument that would always be on,
>> not requiring a score statement to activate. Any ideas on how to do
>> this?
>>
>> Or can this already be done in the orchestra header using existing
>> opcodes?
>>
>> Cabel is a Python program that allows one to create and edit Csound
>> orchestras using a visual patching paradigm as in Pure Data. I have
>> made some improvements to Cabel (turns out I am still a Cabel
>> developer on SourceForge):
>>
>> (1) Pfields module enables the use of Cabel patches both with Csound
>> scores and with real-time MIDI controllers.
>>
>> (2) I have booked into CVS Valle's "modulor.py" script for creating
>> Cabel modules for all Csound opcodes.
>>
>> (3) I am modifying modulor.py so that all opcode intypes and outtypes
>> will be correct in Cabel modules, including strings, which were not
>> previously handled.
>>
>> Question: Should I include Cabel and all its modules in the Csound
>> Windows installer? It requires wxPython. How many people would be
>> interested in using Cabel? I know I will be using it.
>>
>> Thanks to Drew Krause for drawing my attention back to Cabel....
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> On 8/28/09, jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk  wrote:
>>> the problem is that I cannot type!  Actually it was Gen26
>>> Obviously I need a holiday!
>>> ==John
>>>
>>>> What was the problem with GEN43?
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "jpff" 
>>>> To: 
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:08 AM
>>>> Subject: [Cs-dev] More about next release
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Some more on the upcoming release (now in CVS)
>>>>> 1: GEN43 has been totally rewritten and is I think now correct
>>>>>
>>>>> 2: In score reading the system will allow more than PMAX arguments,
>>>>> the additional ones placed elsewhere.  Most of the gens are aware of
>>>>> this new structure, so I hope this will satisfy the calls for very
>>>>> large values of PMAX.  Still to be done to allow twarp events more
>>>>> arguments and a few tidy-ups
>>>>>
>>>>> Now the problem is when to make the release.  We seem to be suffering
>>>>> from serial holidays!  Any real suggestions for a timetable?
>>>>> ==John ffitch
>>>>>
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Hi Michael,

Glad to hear about a barbones release for the installer, but I'm
thinking a separate zip might be more appropriate for developers
versus using an installer. I'm not sure yet as I'm looking to create a
csound module for netbeans so I can hook it into blue as well as
create an auto-update site. This isn't pressing for me quite yet, so
not a concern for this release.

As for New York, mostly settled! Still have some writing work to take
care of, then will be back to blue and csound work!

Steven

On 8/28/09, Michael Gogins  wrote:
> The next installer will permit the installation of such a bare bones system.
>
> I take your point about tails.
>
> Are you now settled in New York?
>
> Best,
> Mike
>
> On 8/28/09, Steven Yi  wrote:
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> For doing mixers and effects, I handle all of it in blue code and that
>> compiles down to using ga signals between instruments.  For the mixer,
>> it is a single instrument that uses many calls to UDO's with one UDO
>> per effect system.  This has worked well for blue.
>>
>> As for an effect block, I do not think it will work.  The reason for
>> this are effects that have tail processing time like reverbs.  blue
>> generates a single giant mixer instrument and calculates the generated
>> score length, then afterwards write a single note to run the mixer for
>> the score length + extra time designated by the user.  This helps to
>> ensure that all reverbs and delays will fully process.
>>
>> I find Cabel interesting but wonder why we keep including so many
>> projects into the installer of Csound instead of keeping them
>> separately managed and supported projects? I am increasingly thinking
>> that a barebones distribution of Csound that can easily be used by
>> developers of other programs will be beneficial to have.
>>
>> steven
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Michael Gogins
>> wrote:
>>> I will leave the scheduling to others....
>>>
>>> I have created 2 new Csound opcodes, outlet (a and k) and inlet (a and
>>> k).
>>>
>>> outleta or outletk "outetname", asignal or ksignal; sourceinso is
>>> implicit
>>>
>>> asignal or xsignal inleta or inletk sourceinso, "outletname"
>>>
>>> These permit instruments to send k-rate and a-rate time domain signals
>>> directly to each other. This in turn enables the construction of
>>> complete signal flow graphs in Csound, as in Pure Data or Buzz. When
>>> source instruments are dynamically allocated, their outlets
>>> automatically connect themselves to the inlets of the original sink
>>> instruments. This should simplify the design of mixers, effect
>>> processing chains, effect side chains, and so on in Csound. Written,
>>> but not tested or documented. I may also be able to do this for fsigs.
>>>
>>> It would be useful if there were a new "effect" block in the Csound
>>> orchestra, which would declare an instrument that would always be on,
>>> not requiring a score statement to activate. Any ideas on how to do
>>> this?
>>>
>>> Or can this already be done in the orchestra header using existing
>>> opcodes?
>>>
>>> Cabel is a Python program that allows one to create and edit Csound
>>> orchestras using a visual patching paradigm as in Pure Data. I have
>>> made some improvements to Cabel (turns out I am still a Cabel
>>> developer on SourceForge):
>>>
>>> (1) Pfields module enables the use of Cabel patches both with Csound
>>> scores and with real-time MIDI controllers.
>>>
>>> (2) I have booked into CVS Valle's "modulor.py" script for creating
>>> Cabel modules for all Csound opcodes.
>>>
>>> (3) I am modifying modulor.py so that all opcode intypes and outtypes
>>> will be correct in Cabel modules, including strings, which were not
>>> previously handled.
>>>
>>> Question: Should I include Cabel and all its modules in the Csound
>>> Windows installer? It requires wxPython. How many people would be
>>> interested in using Cabel? I know I will be using it.
>>>
>>> Thanks to Drew Krause for drawing my attention back to Cabel....
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On 8/28/09, jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk  wrote:
>>>> the problem is that I cannot type!  Actually it was Gen26
>>>> Obviously I need a holiday!
>>>> ==John
>>>>
>>>>> What was the problem with GEN43?
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "jpff" 
>>>>> To: 
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:08 AM
>>>>> Subject: [Cs-dev] More about next release
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Some more on the upcoming release (now in CVS)
>>>>>> 1: GEN43 has been totally rewritten and is I think now correct
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2: In score reading the system will allow more than PMAX arguments,
>>>>>> the additional ones placed elsewhere.  Most of the gens are aware of
>>>>>> this new structure, so I hope this will satisfy the calls for very
>>>>>> large values of PMAX.  Still to be done to allow twarp events more
>>>>>> arguments and a few tidy-ups
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now the problem is when to make the release.  We seem to be suffering
>>>>>> from serial holidays!  Any real suggestions for a timetable?
>>>>>> ==John ffitch
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