As I believe Steven is implying, and I'll just state outright (as in "foot
in mouth"), I think this thread has become much ado about very little. I
recommend doing nothing.

I always .zip my pieces (.csd's), along with explanatory text files and any
samples. This way they naturally end up in a single directory.

Also, many of my .zip's contain multiple alternate versions of my pieces
(many .csd's) - all using the same supporting materials, including samples.
Since this is the case, it would be completely counterproductive to embed my
samples within a .csd. If I had only a single version, embedding samples
could make sense - though I think normally the .zip archive is the way to
go.

Art Hunkins

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Yi" 
To: "Michael Gogins" ; "Developer discussions"

Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Search paths


> Well, I guess it could, but it seems like an awful lot of work, plus
> we'd have to add dependency on a zip library.  On the other hand, this
> kind of thing could be easily done separately in a wrapper program.
>
> I think too that there would have to be a sort of common manifest file
> like there is in Java JAR files, that the program could unload the
> zip, read the manifest to find out what file is the main file, then
> run.
>
> Also, it's not really practical if the package has a lot of wav files,
> but not so bad if it involves just text files.
>
> Not really anything I'd be terribly interested to use myself, but I
> think that'd be the basic use of the program (could probably write a
> program like this in Java or Python fairly quickly).
>
> steven
>
> On 10/20/06, Michael Gogins  wrote:
> > Your comments made me think, why can't Csound treat a zip file like a
directory? Then a piece could be a "package" and the csd or orc and sco, the
MIDI files, the samples and SoundFonts, etc., all could be zipped up
together for handling and delivery.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: Steven Yi 
> > >Sent: Oct 20, 2006 1:57 AM
> > >To: Developer discussions 
> > >Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Search paths
> > >
> > >Hi Anthony,
> > >
> > >I was never fond of the idea of embedding binary data in CSD files as
> > >I never understood what anyone gained from it. If I want to study a
> > >CSD that has lots of binary files embedded in it, it's only going to
> > >slow down a text editor to open. I'd much prefer files be zipped up as
> > >a package separately than to have one gigantic text file so I can see
> > >what files are included rather than try to intuit that by reading the
> > >CSD. It's also easier to test and debug a CSD when you can check the
> > >individual parts.  The only thing is packaging everything, but it
> > >seems like such a small positive to me compared to all of the
> > >negatives (IMO).
> > >
> > >steven
> > >
> > >
> > >On 10/20/06, Anthony Kozar  wrote:
> > >> The functionality appears to have been around since at least Csound
4.07 but
> > >> hardly anyone seems to know about it (and I have never seen anyone
_use_ it
> > >> except for development & testing).
> > >>
> > >> The tag  can be used to embed any type of file into a .CSD
file --
> > >> orchestra includes, midi files, audio files, analysis files, etc.
Probably
> > >> the reason it has never really been used though is that the file has
to be
> > >> encoded using "Base64 encoding."  This is simply a way of turning any
binary
> > >> (or text) file into a text-only format.  Base64 is a standard way of
sending
> > >> email attachments because email only really allows text.
> > >>
> > >> Csound has been able to read Base64-encoded files for a long time but
only
> > >> with version 5.00 did it start to include two standard utilities
(written by
> > >> Istvan Varga) for performing base64 encoding and for wrapping
everything up
> > >> nicely with a bow in a .CSD file for you.
> > >>
> > >>  is described here:
> > >>
> > >> http://csounds.com/manual/html/CommandUnifileFormat.html#id2861206
> > >>
> > >> The makecsd utility will do both the base64 encoding and the CSD
> > >> construction for you and is described here:
> > >>
> > >> http://csounds.com/manual/html/makecsd.html
> > >>
> > >> I do not know for certain which Csound 5 distributions actually
include this
> > >> utility -- I hope that they all do.
> > >>
> > >> I can send you an example CSD from Istvan if you wish.
> > >>
> > >> Anthony Kozar
> > >> anthonykozar AT sbcglobal DOT net
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Art Hunkins wrote on 10/19/06 4:36 PM:
> > >>
> > >> > OK, this is a new one for me:
> > >> >
> > >> >> You can embed your samples and all other needed
> > >> >> files directly into a CSD and let Csound automagically handle
extracting
> > >> >> them and finding them.  There has not been a need to set any
environment
> > >> >> variables or to cd to the right directory under these
circumstances for a
> > >> >> long time.
> > >> >
> > >> > Please point me to information on how to do this. A search of the
Csound
> > >> > help file doesn't turn up anything for "embed" or "samples." This
is how I
> > >> > should probably distribute my composition that uses samples
("What's in a
> > >> > Name?").
> > >> >
> > >> > Art Hunkins
> > >>
> > >>
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