Re: [Cs-dev] sourceforge Downloads info

Date	2008-03-23 18:12
From	victor
Subject	Re: [Cs-dev] sourceforge Downloads info
	But the Windows binary installers had as many issues in the final release as they had in other releases. That is why I said I did not see any gains... Victor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Yi" To: "Developer discussions" Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] sourceforge Downloads info > Again, I disagree, and feel the release process was compromised by the > lag time in the windows release coming out weeks after the other > platforms. There's good reasons why people use public beta's and it's > not like we have a different circumstance than other software > developers and their software. It may seem like more instant > satisfaction to just put a change in and release it, but we've had too > many releases where new bugs are coming up and they're things that > could have gotten cleared up with a particular phase dedicated to > testing the new features work and that there aren't new bugs > introduced. > > I'm afraid we'll just digress back into releasing things in > half-tested fashion and go back to people saying "I'm new to CSound > and tried installing release xxx and x, y, and z didn't work" because > the primary developer on that platform didn't try out using those > features because they never use them. > > If the beta was released on all platforms at the same time, I really > don't think we'd have had the lag we had. We'd also be getting users > testing on all platforms at the same time. > > steven > > > On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:39 AM, Dr. Richard Boulanger > wrote: >> I completely agree with you Victor. >> Releasing the betas was a waste of time and put the release on hold - >> a terribly long hold. >> >> We are ready now for 5.09. >> >> There are many significant fixes and new opcodes that have come into >> the CVS since the release of the beta. >> I hope you will just release 5.09 next time - and not stall the >> release like we did. >> It was a nice experiment, but... also not necessary. >> >> Hopefully we can move forward like we used to. >> >> Worth trying, but not much gained. >> >> And mostly time lost. >> >> my 2c >> >> -dB >> >> >> >> On Mar 20, 2008, at 3:48 AM, victor wrote: >> >> > I wasn't aware. Which ones? I seem to recall these >> > were in the beta release notes already: >> > >> > pan2: Corrected so it agrees with documentation >> > hilbert had its outputs reversed, now correct. >> > works again according to the manual. >> > Fixes in the { and } score looping statements. >> > >> > Besides, bug fixes should have waited for 5.09, really, as >> > the beta was there for package and binary testing. >> > The CsoundAC changes should not really have been made, >> > as there should not have been this type of change between >> > beta and full release. >> > >> > And if you want my opinion, releasing a beta was a waste of time, >> > as the full release seems to still have problems, just as much as >> > before. >> > >> > Victor >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Anthony Kozar" >> > To: "Developer discussions" >> > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 4:24 AM >> > Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] sourceforge Downloads info >> > >> > >> >> There were several bug fixes in between the beta and the final >> >> releases. >> >> Some of them might be considered significant. >> >> >> >> Anthony >> >> >> >> On Wed, March 19, 2008 9:51 pm, Felipe Sateler wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Wednesday 19 March 2008 22:35:45 victor wrote: >> >>>> They are not betas, but full releases. Since I am away from >> >>>> work, I cannot build new packages, so I just renamed the >> >>>> old ones, which were OK anyway. They might carry the library >> >>>> beta string message, but otherwise are undistinguishable from >> >>>> the non-beta 5.08. I might build new packages to comply >> >>>> later. For now, they should be fine. >> >>> >> >>> It is not the same. At least, the csoundac library is no longer >> >>> shared. I >> >>> don't know if it is used in the OSX installers, but it's >> >>> certainly not >> >>> exactly the same as the betas. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> ---- >> >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> >> Defy all challenges. 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Date	2008-03-23 18:24
From	"Rory Walsh"
Subject	Re: [Cs-dev] sourceforge Downloads info
	> But the Windows binary installers had as many issues in the > final release as they had in other releases. That is why I said > I did not see any gains... All the other beta releases were made long before the windows ones which left windows users with little time to check anything. Rory. > > Victor > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steven Yi" > To: "Developer discussions" > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:08 PM > Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] sourceforge Downloads info > > >> Again, I disagree, and feel the release process was compromised by the >> lag time in the windows release coming out weeks after the other >> platforms. There's good reasons why people use public beta's and it's >> not like we have a different circumstance than other software >> developers and their software. It may seem like more instant >> satisfaction to just put a change in and release it, but we've had too >> many releases where new bugs are coming up and they're things that >> could have gotten cleared up with a particular phase dedicated to >> testing the new features work and that there aren't new bugs >> introduced. >> >> I'm afraid we'll just digress back into releasing things in >> half-tested fashion and go back to people saying "I'm new to CSound >> and tried installing release xxx and x, y, and z didn't work" because >> the primary developer on that platform didn't try out using those >> features because they never use them. >> >> If the beta was released on all platforms at the same time, I really >> don't think we'd have had the lag we had. We'd also be getting users >> testing on all platforms at the same time. >> >> steven >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:39 AM, Dr. Richard Boulanger >> wrote: >>> I completely agree with you Victor. >>> Releasing the betas was a waste of time and put the release on hold - >>> a terribly long hold. >>> >>> We are ready now for 5.09. >>> >>> There are many significant fixes and new opcodes that have come into >>> the CVS since the release of the beta. >>> I hope you will just release 5.09 next time - and not stall the >>> release like we did. >>> It was a nice experiment, but... also not necessary. >>> >>> Hopefully we can move forward like we used to. >>> >>> Worth trying, but not much gained. >>> >>> And mostly time lost. >>> >>> my 2c >>> >>> -dB >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 20, 2008, at 3:48 AM, victor wrote: >>> >>> > I wasn't aware. Which ones? I seem to recall these >>> > were in the beta release notes already: >>> > >>> > pan2: Corrected so it agrees with documentation >>> > hilbert had its outputs reversed, now correct. >>> > works again according to the manual. >>> > Fixes in the { and } score looping statements. >>> > >>> > Besides, bug fixes should have waited for 5.09, really, as >>> > the beta was there for package and binary testing. >>> > The CsoundAC changes should not really have been made, >>> > as there should not have been this type of change between >>> > beta and full release. >>> > >>> > And if you want my opinion, releasing a beta was a waste of time, >>> > as the full release seems to still have problems, just as much as >>> > before. >>> > >>> > Victor >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "Anthony Kozar" >>> > To: "Developer discussions" >>> > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 4:24 AM >>> > Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] sourceforge Downloads info >>> > >>> > >>> >> There were several bug fixes in between the beta and the final >>> >> releases. >>> >> Some of them might be considered significant. >>> >> >>> >> Anthony >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, March 19, 2008 9:51 pm, Felipe Sateler wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> On Wednesday 19 March 2008 22:35:45 victor wrote: >>> >>>> They are not betas, but full releases. Since I am away from >>> >>>> work, I cannot build new packages, so I just renamed the >>> >>>> old ones, which were OK anyway. They might carry the library >>> >>>> beta string message, but otherwise are undistinguishable from >>> >>>> the non-beta 5.08. I might build new packages to comply >>> >>>> later. For now, they should be fine. >>> >>> >>> >>> It is not the same. At least, the csoundac library is no longer >>> >>> shared. I >>> >>> don't know if it is used in the OSX installers, but it's >>> >>> certainly not >>> >>> exactly the same as the betas. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >> ---- >>> >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>> >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >>> >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Csound-devel mailing list >>> >> Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >>> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel >>> > >>> > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > --- >>> > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>> > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >>> > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Csound-devel mailing list >>> > Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Csound-devel mailing list >>> Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Csound-devel mailing list >> Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. 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Date	2008-03-23 19:30
From	"Steven Yi"
Subject	Re: [Cs-dev] sourceforge Downloads info
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