> A few minutes with a emacs macro does it all.  It only took a few
> minutes to do the previous largescale change.  The problem as I see it
> is to decide WHAT changes to make.

Sure, I know how to use VIs find and replace too, I just figured there might
be flunky work needing doing that benefited from human brain/time donation
and was making the offer. Why the grumpy posts lately John? Seems to me
everyone is actually discussing stuff politely, openly, and relatively
thoroughly, with the exception of your short and dismissive responses.
What's up?

Iain

Oh please don't go there! I don't see anything grumpy anywhere. And the 
whole point is, indeed, deciding what changes to make. Even more, 
deciding how to divvy up a large-scale change amogst programmers. To 
answer that in any detail, I have to take some time to preuse code, find 
definitive examples, etc. Can't do it quickly.

And brevity in an email message if often a virtue, and one practised by 
many on this list!

Richard Dobson


Iain Duncan wrote:

>>A few minutes with a emacs macro does it all.  It only took a few
>>minutes to do the previous largescale change.  The problem as I see it
>>is to decide WHAT changes to make.
> 
> 
> Sure, I know how to use VIs find and replace too, I just figured there might
> be flunky work needing doing that benefited from human brain/time donation
> and was making the offer. Why the grumpy posts lately John? Seems to me
> everyone is actually discussing stuff politely, openly, and relatively
> thoroughly, with the exception of your short and dismissive responses.
> What's up?
> 
> Iain
> 
> 

> Oh please don't go there! I don't see anything grumpy anywhere. And the 
> whole point is, indeed, deciding what changes to make. Even more, 
> deciding how to divvy up a large-scale change amogst programmers. To 
> answer that in any detail, I have to take some time to preuse code, find 
> definitive examples, etc. Can't do it quickly.

Oh come one, being curtly dismissed as less useful than an emacs macro upon 
volunteering time is hardly acceptable in ANY leadership situation. And as far 
as I'm concerned John's "finally you guys are doing what I'm saying why didn't 
you listen to me before" tone with Steven ( who has never been anything less 
than unfailingly polite ) combined with the curt responses, is at the very 
least unecessarily rude. Certainly that tone was not welcomed by John himself 
when it was coming from Istvan and Mauricio. If John is to be the steward of 
an lGPL public project, diplomacy and good leadership are part of package.

Iain  

I would like to ask you to consider the possibility that you may be 
mis-interpreting the import of that email, and to let this rest. I 
cannot see anything  there to give offence. What point would there be in 
doing that? ~Everyone~ is respected on this list; this can be taken as a 
given. Personally, I don't mind short functional emails; in fact I much 
prefer them to wordy ones!

I am always very grateful for any information that means I don't have to 
spend many man-hours doing something that can be done automatically in a 
matter of minutes. It means I can concentrate on the things that 
actually need personal attention.  So I  am unable to see how that sort 
of information could be a slur on my or anybody's usefulness; quite the 
opposite, in fact.  Maurizio produced just such a  macro years ago (in 
fact, a small perl script), that really did obviate what would have been 
hours of tedious and error-prone work.   It's still on my machine, in 
case it comes in useful again.

You should see the average length of the emails John sends me!
:-)

Richard Dobson



iainduncan@telus.net wrote:

...
> Oh come one, being curtly dismissed as less useful than an emacs macro upon 
> volunteering time is hardly acceptable in ANY leadership situation. And as far 
> as I'm concerned John's "finally you guys are doing what I'm saying why didn't 
> you listen to me before" tone with Steven ( who has never been anything less 
> than unfailingly polite ) combined with the curt responses, is at the very 
> least unecessarily rude. Certainly that tone was not welcomed by John himself 
> when it was coming from Istvan and Mauricio. If John is to be the steward of 
> an lGPL public project, diplomacy and good leadership are part of package.
> 
> Iain  
> 
> 

>>>>> "iainduncan" == iainduncan   writes:

 iainduncan> Oh come one, being curtly dismissed as less useful than an emacs macro upon 
 iainduncan> volunteering time is hardly acceptable in ANY leadership situation. And as far 
 iainduncan> as I'm concerned John's "finally you guys are doing what I'm saying why didn't 
 iainduncan> you listen to me before" tone with Steven ( who has never been anything less 
 iainduncan> than unfailingly polite ) combined with the curt responses, is at the very 
 iainduncan> least unecessarily rude. Certainly that tone was not welcomed by John himself 
 iainduncan> when it was coming from Istvan and Mauricio. If John is to be the steward of 
 iainduncan> an lGPL public project, diplomacy and good leadership are part of package.

 iainduncan> Iain  


I never suggested that anyone was less useful that an emacs macro
(although I _do_ know people for whom this is arguably true, not on
this list).  I am more concerned that changes to the system not made
without the consequences thought through.

I have no idea how your life is, but I get 10-15Mb of mail some days.
I value short e-mails.

I was not aware that I was leading the developments at present either.

==John ffitch