I think we are close to resolving all this as follows:

The copyright owner of liblo has agreed to allow Csound to link with it, so it can remain in the distributions.

Binaries that depend on the VST SDK will be removed from all distributions of Csound. That includes the CsoundVST plugin and the vst4cs opcodes. I will modify CsoundVST and the sources so that the algorithmic composition stuff will still be built and distributed. This will take some time.

Sources and build files for these features will remain in Csound CVS.

Binaries that depend on the STK sources and the Loris sources will be removed from all distributions of Csound. Csound sources and build files for these features will remain in Csound CVS.

For your information, if you are building CsoundVST, you are indeed building the VST plugin because the plugin and the algorithmic classes are currently in the same shared library. I will split it up. I will probably rename the CsoundVST classes, as using this name for two functions has confused people for years.

Regards,
Mike

-----Original Message-----
>From: Felipe Sateler 
>Sent: Jul 10, 2007 3:13 PM
>To: csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
>Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] More licensing
>
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>Michael Gogins wrote:
>
>> I would be overjoyed if you would create an updated Debian package (I
>> really mean Ubuntu).
>
>Usually the Ubuntu people just copy the package from Debian with minor
>modifications to match the minor differences between Debian and Ubuntu. So
>once there is a Debian version, Ubuntu should get one soon.
>
>> 
>> As you can see from recent discussions, there may be licensing issues with
>> respect to the Steinberg VST SDK that is used by CsoundVST and by the
>> vst4cs opcodes. There may also be licensing issues regarding the STK C++
>> opcodes (all opcodes whose names begin "STK" are thin wrappers on the
>> original STK C++ source code, which must be obtained from the STK web
>> site).
>> 
>> I would like to make certain that the following features are included in
>> any Debian/Ubuntu package:
>> 
>> -- All language interfaces to the Csound API, including Python, Java,
>> Lisp, and Lua. 
>
>These I am compiling. However the build system kind of looses me sometimes,
>so I don't really know where the language interface are installed (if they
>are at all). 
>
>> -- The algorithmic composition features of CsoundVST. 
>
>The current setup builds CSoundVST, but (I think) not the plugin.
>
>> 
>> There are no licensing issues regarding these features. I would also like
>> to include the following, but we have to resolve the licensing issues:
>> 
>> -- The VST plugin feature of CsoundVST.
>> -- The vst4cs opcodes (which may actually be usable on Linux since there
>> are some Linux ports of VST plugins). -- The STK opcodes.
>
>
>This can't be built because the VST sdk is not ditributed by Debian/Ubuntu
>(and AFAIK can't be). 
>
>
>
>> 
>> Please be aware that there do exist other projects on SourceForge that (a)
>> include VST SDK files or depend on the VST SDK, or (b) do not distribute
>> sources for everything included in binaries. It might also be possible to
>> modify the Csound license (currently LGPL 2) to permit linking with the
>> VST SDK and/or the STK.
>
>This seems irrelevant: if other are breaking licenses, that's no reason for
>us to break them too.
>
>> 
>> Of course we could raise these issues directly with SourceForge
>> administrators.
>> 
>> As John ffitch noted, there is no licensing issue with liblo.
>
>I'm kind of confused here. Is it legal to link a LGPL binary with a GPL
>library? I'd suppose it is, since the LGPL is GPL-compatible, but I'm not
>sure.
>
>- --
>
>  Felipe Sateler
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