Can't it go in the manual sources?

At 14:35 12/03/2007, you wrote:
>I have a very limited amount of time to do this kind of thing. Please 
>understand, and I intend no offense, I simply do not have time to please 
>everyone. Therefore, I try to make sure that the installer contains 
>everything most users might need, even if it contains some things that 
>some users do not need or do not want.
>
>My model for software installation is Python. You run the installer, and 
>everything you need is right there including the documentation and an 
>effective tutorial. There is only one thing the user needs to know to get 
>started (at least, on Windows) -- 'get the installer.' I understand that 
>the installer is large, although in truth I have seen bigger ones on 
>SourceForge.
>
>In my view, Csound, as a complex piece of software that is also a 
>programming language, genuinely requires a fairly comprehensive tutorial 
>introduction. When and if someone produces a better tutorial (i.e. one 
>that covers ALL steps required to really get started for various purposes) 
>I will use that one instead for the installers.
>
>If you feel very strongly about this, please become a developer and 
>produce a version of the installer that has the features that you believe 
>should be in there. Then users will have a choice. If you do that, please 
>also put up on the project page an explanation of what each version is for.
>
>Equally, please feel free to write a better tutorial, or another tutorial 
>covering different ground, become a Csound developer, and put it into 
>Csound CVS. The reason my tutorial is in there is because, as a Csound 
>developer, I reviewed the existing tutorials, found they did not offer 
>enough information to get started with the main features of Csound 5, 
>wrote a new one, and put it in CVS, not because I took other ones out. If 
>there were a better tutorial in CVS, that one would go into the installers 
>and the present one might well go into the 'attic.'
>
>Regards,
>Mike
>
>-----Original Message-----
> >From: Jonathan Murphy 
> >Sent: Mar 12, 2007 8:23 AM
> >To: csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> >Subject: [Cs-dev] Attn: Michael Gogins - please move tutorial
> >
> >Hi Mike,
> >
> >Others have requested this, so I know that I'm not alone in finding it
> >annoying. Could you please move the tutorial? Whilst I appreciate the
> >effort that went into creating it, it's no more an essential part of
> >Csound than any other tutorial (none of which are in CVS), and it
> >takes a long time to download.
> >
> >Jonathan.
> >
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there should probably be a separate - tutorial download link - and  
even an examples download link
On Mar 12, 2007, at 11:13 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:

> Can't it go in the manual sources?
>
> At 14:35 12/03/2007, you wrote:
>> I have a very limited amount of time to do this kind of thing. Please
>> understand, and I intend no offense, I simply do not have time to  
>> please
>> everyone. Therefore, I try to make sure that the installer contains
>> everything most users might need, even if it contains some things  
>> that
>> some users do not need or do not want.
>>
>> My model for software installation is Python. You run the  
>> installer, and
>> everything you need is right there including the documentation and an
>> effective tutorial. There is only one thing the user needs to know  
>> to get
>> started (at least, on Windows) -- 'get the installer.' I  
>> understand that
>> the installer is large, although in truth I have seen bigger ones on
>> SourceForge.
>>
>> In my view, Csound, as a complex piece of software that is also a
>> programming language, genuinely requires a fairly comprehensive  
>> tutorial
>> introduction. When and if someone produces a better tutorial (i.e.  
>> one
>> that covers ALL steps required to really get started for various  
>> purposes)
>> I will use that one instead for the installers.
>>
>> If you feel very strongly about this, please become a developer and
>> produce a version of the installer that has the features that you  
>> believe
>> should be in there. Then users will have a choice. If you do that,  
>> please
>> also put up on the project page an explanation of what each  
>> version is for.
>>
>> Equally, please feel free to write a better tutorial, or another  
>> tutorial
>> covering different ground, become a Csound developer, and put it into
>> Csound CVS. The reason my tutorial is in there is because, as a  
>> Csound
>> developer, I reviewed the existing tutorials, found they did not  
>> offer
>> enough information to get started with the main features of Csound 5,
>> wrote a new one, and put it in CVS, not because I took other ones  
>> out. If
>> there were a better tutorial in CVS, that one would go into the  
>> installers
>> and the present one might well go into the 'attic.'
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jonathan Murphy 
>>> Sent: Mar 12, 2007 8:23 AM
>>> To: csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
>>> Subject: [Cs-dev] Attn: Michael Gogins - please move tutorial
>>>
>>> Hi Mike,
>>>
>>> Others have requested this, so I know that I'm not alone in  
>>> finding it
>>> annoying. Could you please move the tutorial? Whilst I appreciate  
>>> the
>>> effort that went into creating it, it's no more an essential part of
>>> Csound than any other tutorial (none of which are in CVS), and it
>>> takes a long time to download.
>>>
>>> Jonathan.
>>>
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