Hi all,

I am just wondering now, in view of our final push to have 7.0 released September, should we restore the develop
branch as default?

My reasoning is:

- The current master as 6.18 is getting a bit old. Not sure we should invest any efforts in making a 6.19 to 
refresh it, as our time is limited and we have to concentrate on 7.0.

- There’s sometimes confusion for submitting PRs as they go to the default branch and need to be edited.
Also when pulling, the default branch is what comes up, people might start working on changes to it without
realising it is a dead end.

- The develop branch is fairly stable now, particularly as we can’t commit directly to it and the code there
is fully reviewed.

- Foregrounding 7.0 as the way forward is a good idea.

What do you think?
========================
Prof. Victor Lazzarini
Maynooth University
Ireland

I'm in favor of this. We can add a note to the README.md that develop
has major revisions and is still undergoing change and fixes. We can
additionally point people to the csound6 branch for stable code if
necessary.

On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 5:45 AM Victor Lazzarini
<000010b17ddd988e-dmarc-request@listserv.heanet.ie> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am just wondering now, in view of our final push to have 7.0 released September, should we restore the develop
> branch as default?
>
> My reasoning is:
>
> - The current master as 6.18 is getting a bit old. Not sure we should invest any efforts in making a 6.19 to
> refresh it, as our time is limited and we have to concentrate on 7.0.
>
> - There’s sometimes confusion for submitting PRs as they go to the default branch and need to be edited.
> Also when pulling, the default branch is what comes up, people might start working on changes to it without
> realising it is a dead end.
>
> - The develop branch is fairly stable now, particularly as we can’t commit directly to it and the code there
> is fully reviewed.
>
> - Foregrounding 7.0 as the way forward is a good idea.
>
> What do you think?
> ========================
> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
> Maynooth University
> Ireland
>

Stable release and current beta release. 
Yes.
Dr. Richard Boulanger
Professor
Electronic Production and Design
Berklee College of Music

> On Jun 11, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Steven Yi  wrote:
> 
> I'm in favor of this. We can add a note to the README.md that develop
> has major revisions and is still undergoing change and fixes. We can
> additionally point people to the csound6 branch for stable code if
> necessary.
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 5:45 AM Victor Lazzarini
>> <000010b17ddd988e-dmarc-request@listserv.heanet.ie> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am just wondering now, in view of our final push to have 7.0 released September, should we restore the develop
>> branch as default?
>> 
>> My reasoning is:
>> 
>> - The current master as 6.18 is getting a bit old. Not sure we should invest any efforts in making a 6.19 to
>> refresh it, as our time is limited and we have to concentrate on 7.0.
>> 
>> - There’s sometimes confusion for submitting PRs as they go to the default branch and need to be edited.
>> Also when pulling, the default branch is what comes up, people might start working on changes to it without
>> realising it is a dead end.
>> 
>> - The develop branch is fairly stable now, particularly as we can’t commit directly to it and the code there
>> is fully reviewed.
>> 
>> - Foregrounding 7.0 as the way forward is a good idea.
>> 
>> What do you think?
>> ========================
>> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>> Maynooth University
>> Ireland
>> 

Ok, I created a PR updating the README text to support the change.

https://github.com/csound/csound/pull/1895

I think we are all in agreement, so as soon as the PR is merged, we
can go ahead and make the change.
========================
Prof. Victor Lazzarini
Maynooth University
Ireland

> On 11 Jun 2024, at 13:36, Steven Yi  wrote:
> 
> *Warning*
> 
> This email originated from outside of Maynooth University's Mail System. Do not reply, click links or open attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.
> 
> I'm in favor of this. We can add a note to the README.md that develop
> has major revisions and is still undergoing change and fixes. We can
> additionally point people to the csound6 branch for stable code if
> necessary.
> 
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 5:45 AM Victor Lazzarini
> <000010b17ddd988e-dmarc-request@listserv.heanet.ie> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am just wondering now, in view of our final push to have 7.0 released September, should we restore the develop
>> branch as default?
>> 
>> My reasoning is:
>> 
>> - The current master as 6.18 is getting a bit old. Not sure we should invest any efforts in making a 6.19 to
>> refresh it, as our time is limited and we have to concentrate on 7.0.
>> 
>> - There’s sometimes confusion for submitting PRs as they go to the default branch and need to be edited.
>> Also when pulling, the default branch is what comes up, people might start working on changes to it without
>> realising it is a dead end.
>> 
>> - The develop branch is fairly stable now, particularly as we can’t commit directly to it and the code there
>> is fully reviewed.
>> 
>> - Foregrounding 7.0 as the way forward is a good idea.
>> 
>> What do you think?
>> ========================
>> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>> Maynooth University
>> Ireland
>> 

BTW: the only big issue that concerns me is the parsing of complex
expressions. It seems that precedence is not correct somewhere. I've
noticed this while live coding where I tend to do a lot of
calculations as expressions and noticed different results with CS7 vs.
CS6. CS7 has otherwise worked well.

On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 12:44 PM Victor Lazzarini
<000010b17ddd988e-dmarc-request@listserv.heanet.ie> wrote:
>
> Ok, I created a PR updating the README text to support the change.
>
> https://github.com/csound/csound/pull/1895
>
> I think we are all in agreement, so as soon as the PR is merged, we
> can go ahead and make the change.
> ========================
> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
> Maynooth University
> Ireland
>
> > On 11 Jun 2024, at 13:36, Steven Yi  wrote:
> >
> > *Warning*
> >
> > This email originated from outside of Maynooth University's Mail System. Do not reply, click links or open attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.
> >
> > I'm in favor of this. We can add a note to the README.md that develop
> > has major revisions and is still undergoing change and fixes. We can
> > additionally point people to the csound6 branch for stable code if
> > necessary.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 5:45 AM Victor Lazzarini
> > <000010b17ddd988e-dmarc-request@listserv.heanet.ie> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I am just wondering now, in view of our final push to have 7.0 released September, should we restore the develop
> >> branch as default?
> >>
> >> My reasoning is:
> >>
> >> - The current master as 6.18 is getting a bit old. Not sure we should invest any efforts in making a 6.19 to
> >> refresh it, as our time is limited and we have to concentrate on 7.0.
> >>
> >> - There’s sometimes confusion for submitting PRs as they go to the default branch and need to be edited.
> >> Also when pulling, the default branch is what comes up, people might start working on changes to it without
> >> realising it is a dead end.
> >>
> >> - The develop branch is fairly stable now, particularly as we can’t commit directly to it and the code there
> >> is fully reviewed.
> >>
> >> - Foregrounding 7.0 as the way forward is a good idea.
> >>
> >> What do you think?
> >> ========================
> >> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
> >> Maynooth University
> >> Ireland
> >>
>

The develop branch is default branch now.

I’ve been going through the 7.0 tickets, most issues there are for parser enhancement, and given the
names attached to them I suspect many of them are worked in that big PR by hlolli.

At some point we may need to review what is realistic for September, but I am much more confident
now that we will be able to  cross the line then.

========================
Prof. Victor Lazzarini
Maynooth University
Ireland

> On 11 Jun 2024, at 18:44, Steven Yi  wrote:
>
> BTW: the only big issue that concerns me is the parsing of complex
> expressions. It seems that precedence is not correct somewhere. I've
> noticed this while live coding where I tend to do a lot of
> calculations as expressions and noticed different results with CS7 vs.
> CS6. CS7 has otherwise worked well.
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 12:44 PM Victor Lazzarini
> <000010b17ddd988e-dmarc-request@listserv.heanet.ie> wrote:
>>
>> Ok, I created a PR updating the README text to support the change.
>>
>> https://github.com/csound/csound/pull/1895
>>
>> I think we are all in agreement, so as soon as the PR is merged, we
>> can go ahead and make the change.
>> ========================
>> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>> Maynooth University
>> Ireland
>>
>>> On 11 Jun 2024, at 13:36, Steven Yi  wrote:
>>>
>>> *Warning*
>>>
>>> This email originated from outside of Maynooth University's Mail System. Do not reply, click links or open attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.
>>>
>>> I'm in favor of this. We can add a note to the README.md that develop
>>> has major revisions and is still undergoing change and fixes. We can
>>> additionally point people to the csound6 branch for stable code if
>>> necessary.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 5:45 AM Victor Lazzarini
>>> <000010b17ddd988e-dmarc-request@listserv.heanet.ie> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I am just wondering now, in view of our final push to have 7.0 released September, should we restore the develop
>>>> branch as default?
>>>>
>>>> My reasoning is:
>>>>
>>>> - The current master as 6.18 is getting a bit old. Not sure we should invest any efforts in making a 6.19 to
>>>> refresh it, as our time is limited and we have to concentrate on 7.0.
>>>>
>>>> - There’s sometimes confusion for submitting PRs as they go to the default branch and need to be edited.
>>>> Also when pulling, the default branch is what comes up, people might start working on changes to it without
>>>> realising it is a dead end.
>>>>
>>>> - The develop branch is fairly stable now, particularly as we can’t commit directly to it and the code there
>>>> is fully reviewed.
>>>>
>>>> - Foregrounding 7.0 as the way forward is a good idea.
>>>>
>>>> What do you think?
>>>> ========================
>>>> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>>>> Maynooth University
>>>> Ireland
>>>>
>>