I propose the following changes to SConstruct, which I will implement
in the next few days if there are no objections:

(1) Re-organize the "examples" directory. The top level will contain
pieces that show off what Csound can do, currently trapped and xanadu.
Then there will be an opcodes_demo directory to show off what
particular opcodes do, like bilbar. Then each language interface will
have its own directory (c, cplusplus, java, python, lua, lisp).

(2) Re-organize the various language API libraries so that each
language has its own shared library (C/C++, Python, Java, Lua).
Currently, several API wrappers get built into the same shared
library.

These changes are designed to make Csound more user-friendly, by
making it easier for beginners to understand the examples, and by
making it easier to install one language API without also installing
some other one, e.g. it will be possible to install the Java wrappers
without the Python or Lua wrappers.

Regards,
Mike

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On the other hand we seem to have abandonned the release of 5.10,
scheduled for June last

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I haven't abandoned it, but I have an agenda for it:

(1) Better Windows installer, user can choose "extras" such as
utilities, language APIs, documentation, tutorials.

(2) Better examples.

(3) QuteCsound, including Python and Lua support if possible.

(4) Lua API for CsoundAC (I have done this part).

None of this is likely to take very much time. The only thing I'm not
sure how long it would take is adding Python and Lua support to
QuteCsound. Merely rebuilding it with the LGPL latest version of Qt is
not likely to take long.

Regards,
Mike

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> On the other hand we seem to have abandonned the release of 5.10,
> scheduled for June last
>
> ==John
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>
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>> in the next few days if there are no objections:
>>
>
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> I haven't abandoned it, but I have an agenda for it:

Yes; sorry to tag along with your message, but I think there have been
many useful changes that we ought to get out.

I am still wondering about two things:

1) New parser.  Seems OK but I think I have a couple of broken cases

2) Multicore sytem.  Seems to run but I am not seeing the performance that
the test version (on OSX) was getting.

So I am wondering if these are for this release or for the next.

I am away from base at present (in Ontario) but should be home next week
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The last time I had a chance to test the new parser it was not ready
for use by default.  I've been very busy as of late and have not had
much time for personal work for a while now, and I'll be moving in
less than three weeks across the country so probably will be of little
help until sometime in August to get back to testing parser.  If the
new parser hasn't changed much in the past month, I'd recommend
leaving it off by default for this version.

Thanks!
steven

On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 3:10 PM,  wrote:
>> I haven't abandoned it, but I have an agenda for it:
>
> Yes; sorry to tag along with your message, but I think there have been
> many useful changes that we ought to get out.
>
> I am still wondering about two things:
>
> 1) New parser.  Seems OK but I think I have a couple of broken cases
>
> 2) Multicore sytem.  Seems to run but I am not seeing the performance that
> the test version (on OSX) was getting.
>
> So I am wondering if these are for this release or for the next.
>
> I am away from base at present (in Ontario) but should be home next week
> with most of 5 weeks unallocated.
>
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Mike,

If there is a chance to get this new simpler version of the Windows  
installer - with QuteCsound so that I can share it with students in
a workshop next Friday - that would be a huge help... even if it's  
just a beta version.

I would post it at cSounds.com for beta testing...  whatever would work.

Rick

On Jul 11, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Michael Gogins wrote:

> I haven't abandoned it, but I have an agenda for it:
>
> (1) Better Windows installer, user can choose "extras" such as
> utilities, language APIs, documentation, tutorials.
>
> (2) Better examples.
>
> (3) QuteCsound, including Python and Lua support if possible.
>
> (4) Lua API for CsoundAC (I have done this part).
>
> None of this is likely to take very much time. The only thing I'm not
> sure how long it would take is adding Python and Lua support to
> QuteCsound. Merely rebuilding it with the LGPL latest version of Qt is
> not likely to take long.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> On 7/11/09, jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk  wrote:
>> On the other hand we seem to have abandonned the release of 5.10,
>> scheduled for June last
>>
>> ==John
>>
>>
>>> I propose the following changes to SConstruct, which I will  
>>> implement
>>> in the next few days if there are no objections:
>>>
>>
>>
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You may want to look at SConstruct2, which already has split the
language interfaces into their own libraries. IIRC (I dont have the
sources here), the relevant file should be interfaces/SConscript (I
split the files for easier maintainance).

On 11/07/2009, Michael Gogins  wrote:
> I propose the following changes to SConstruct, which I will implement
> in the next few days if there are no objections:
>
> (1) Re-organize the "examples" directory. The top level will contain
> pieces that show off what Csound can do, currently trapped and xanadu.
> Then there will be an opcodes_demo directory to show off what
> particular opcodes do, like bilbar. Then each language interface will
> have its own directory (c, cplusplus, java, python, lua, lisp).
>
> (2) Re-organize the various language API libraries so that each
> language has its own shared library (C/C++, Python, Java, Lua).
> Currently, several API wrappers get built into the same shared
> library.
>
> These changes are designed to make Csound more user-friendly, by
> making it easier for beginners to understand the examples, and by
> making it easier to install one language API without also installing
> some other one, e.g. it will be possible to install the Java wrappers
> without the Python or Lua wrappers.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
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Hi Mike,
I think your agenda sounds good.
Better to fix the issues and be late than worry about being late.
Also, I  presume someone else (Andrés?) is worrying about QuteCsound  
and that it is independent of the other build issues.
Is that correct?
David
On 12/07/2009, at 7:45 AM, Michael Gogins wrote:

> I haven't abandoned it, but I have an agenda for it:
>
> (1) Better Windows installer, user can choose "extras" such as
> utilities, language APIs, documentation, tutorials.
>
> (2) Better examples.
>
> (3) QuteCsound, including Python and Lua support if possible.
>
> (4) Lua API for CsoundAC (I have done this part).
>
> None of this is likely to take very much time. The only thing I'm not
> sure how long it would take is adding Python and Lua support to
> QuteCsound. Merely rebuilding it with the LGPL latest version of Qt is
> not likely to take long.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> On 7/11/09, jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk  wrote:
>> On the other hand we seem to have abandonned the release of 5.10,
>> scheduled for June last
>>
>> ==John
>>
>>
>>> I propose the following changes to SConstruct, which I will  
>>> implement
>>> in the next few days if there are no objections:
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Felipe:

Does Sconstruct2 build all targets on all platforms now? If so we
should remove the old SConstruct.

DavidW:

There are 2 issues with QuteCsound, one is that the license has to be
changed to LGPL which requires rebuilding QuteCsound with the latest
version of Qt, the other is that I would to try adding support for
running Lua and Python in QuteCsound, which means I have to add and
change some things in the sources.

Regards,
Mike


On 7/11/09, Felipe Sateler  wrote:
> You may want to look at SConstruct2, which already has split the
> language interfaces into their own libraries. IIRC (I dont have the
> sources here), the relevant file should be interfaces/SConscript (I
> split the files for easier maintainance).
>
> On 11/07/2009, Michael Gogins  wrote:
>> I propose the following changes to SConstruct, which I will implement
>> in the next few days if there are no objections:
>>
>> (1) Re-organize the "examples" directory. The top level will contain
>> pieces that show off what Csound can do, currently trapped and xanadu.
>> Then there will be an opcodes_demo directory to show off what
>> particular opcodes do, like bilbar. Then each language interface will
>> have its own directory (c, cplusplus, java, python, lua, lisp).
>>
>> (2) Re-organize the various language API libraries so that each
>> language has its own shared library (C/C++, Python, Java, Lua).
>> Currently, several API wrappers get built into the same shared
>> library.
>>
>> These changes are designed to make Csound more user-friendly, by
>> making it easier for beginners to understand the examples, and by
>> making it easier to install one language API without also installing
>> some other one, e.g. it will be possible to install the Java wrappers
>> without the Python or Lua wrappers.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> --
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HI David,

QuteCsound must be built against a particular version of Csound since
it uses the API, so you can't use QuteCsound for doubles for a Csound
built for floats, or on OS X, you can't use PPC QuteCsound for Intel
Csound. However it would be great if QuteCsound is packaged with
Csound as users will have one less issue to figure out.

Cheers,
Andrés

On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 4:32 AM, DavidW wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> I think your agenda sounds good.
> Better to fix the issues and be late than worry about being late.
> Also, I  presume someone else (Andrés?) is worrying about QuteCsound
> and that it is independent of the other build issues.
> Is that correct?
> David
> On 12/07/2009, at 7:45 AM, Michael Gogins wrote:
>
>> I haven't abandoned it, but I have an agenda for it:
>>
>> (1) Better Windows installer, user can choose "extras" such as
>> utilities, language APIs, documentation, tutorials.
>>
>> (2) Better examples.
>>
>> (3) QuteCsound, including Python and Lua support if possible.
>>
>> (4) Lua API for CsoundAC (I have done this part).
>>
>> None of this is likely to take very much time. The only thing I'm not
>> sure how long it would take is adding Python and Lua support to
>> QuteCsound. Merely rebuilding it with the LGPL latest version of Qt is
>> not likely to take long.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> On 7/11/09, jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk  wrote:
>>> On the other hand we seem to have abandonned the release of 5.10,
>>> scheduled for June last
>>>
>>> ==John
>>>
>>>
>>>> I propose the following changes to SConstruct, which I will
>>>> implement
>>>> in the next few days if there are no objections:
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Not really. It did at some point in time, but I have lagged behind in
updating it. Also, there are two showstoppers IMO: the install target
is not working yet, and there are some behaviour changes from the old
SConstruct.
The most notorious behaviour changes are that now targets are built in
their respective subdirectories (that is, opcodes will be in Opcodes,
the interface libraries will lie in interfaces/, etc). I am not so
sure this is desired by all of us (I understand plenty here run csound
directly from the source directory and this would get in the way).
The second notorious change is that SConstruct2 does not try to guess
what to build or not. All flags default to off, and if some flag is
requested and scons cannot find the required dependencies, it will
fail with an error message instead of disabling the features/opcodes.
I think this is saner than the old behaviour. Also, it allows scons to
check only for needed dependencies, and don't bother with unwanted
features dependencies.

I think I had a few other issues, but I am away now and cannot check.
I will try to update it again when I go back, in early August.

On 12/07/2009, Michael Gogins  wrote:
> Felipe:
>
> Does Sconstruct2 build all targets on all platforms now? If so we
> should remove the old SConstruct.
>
> DavidW:
>
> There are 2 issues with QuteCsound, one is that the license has to be
> changed to LGPL which requires rebuilding QuteCsound with the latest
> version of Qt, the other is that I would to try adding support for
> running Lua and Python in QuteCsound, which means I have to add and
> change some things in the sources.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
>
> On 7/11/09, Felipe Sateler  wrote:
> > You may want to look at SConstruct2, which already has split the
> > language interfaces into their own libraries. IIRC (I dont have the
> > sources here), the relevant file should be interfaces/SConscript (I
> > split the files for easier maintainance).
> >
> > On 11/07/2009, Michael Gogins  wrote:
> >> I propose the following changes to SConstruct, which I will implement
> >> in the next few days if there are no objections:
> >>
> >> (1) Re-organize the "examples" directory. The top level will contain
> >> pieces that show off what Csound can do, currently trapped and xanadu.
> >> Then there will be an opcodes_demo directory to show off what
> >> particular opcodes do, like bilbar. Then each language interface will
> >> have its own directory (c, cplusplus, java, python, lua, lisp).
> >>
> >> (2) Re-organize the various language API libraries so that each
> >> language has its own shared library (C/C++, Python, Java, Lua).
> >> Currently, several API wrappers get built into the same shared
> >> library.
> >>
> >> These changes are designed to make Csound more user-friendly, by
> >> making it easier for beginners to understand the examples, and by
> >> making it easier to install one language API without also installing
> >> some other one, e.g. it will be possible to install the Java wrappers
> >> without the Python or Lua wrappers.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> --
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I tried it and it failed to build. One issue was the different
directories got in the way of linking some parts of Csound with
Csound's own shared libraries.

I would much prefer it if all binaries were the in the root directory,
or failing that in a bin directly.

Otherwise I think SConstruct2 is better organized than the original. I
don't mind all options defaulting to zero. A script with so many
options is normally run from a shell script that sets the options
anyway. Perhaps it could be changed to use an environment variable
(CSOUND_SCONS_OPTIONS or something) as well.

I would have rewritten the whole thing myself, but I don't build on OS
X so I might have just messed something up, and it isn't worth taking
that chance.

Regards,
Mike

On 7/12/09, Felipe Sateler  wrote:
> Not really. It did at some point in time, but I have lagged behind in
> updating it. Also, there are two showstoppers IMO: the install target
> is not working yet, and there are some behaviour changes from the old
> SConstruct.
> The most notorious behaviour changes are that now targets are built in
> their respective subdirectories (that is, opcodes will be in Opcodes,
> the interface libraries will lie in interfaces/, etc). I am not so
> sure this is desired by all of us (I understand plenty here run csound
> directly from the source directory and this would get in the way).
> The second notorious change is that SConstruct2 does not try to guess
> what to build or not. All flags default to off, and if some flag is
> requested and scons cannot find the required dependencies, it will
> fail with an error message instead of disabling the features/opcodes.
> I think this is saner than the old behaviour. Also, it allows scons to
> check only for needed dependencies, and don't bother with unwanted
> features dependencies.
>
> I think I had a few other issues, but I am away now and cannot check.
> I will try to update it again when I go back, in early August.
>
> On 12/07/2009, Michael Gogins  wrote:
>> Felipe:
>>
>> Does Sconstruct2 build all targets on all platforms now? If so we
>> should remove the old SConstruct.
>>
>> DavidW:
>>
>> There are 2 issues with QuteCsound, one is that the license has to be
>> changed to LGPL which requires rebuilding QuteCsound with the latest
>> version of Qt, the other is that I would to try adding support for
>> running Lua and Python in QuteCsound, which means I have to add and
>> change some things in the sources.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> On 7/11/09, Felipe Sateler  wrote:
>> > You may want to look at SConstruct2, which already has split the
>> > language interfaces into their own libraries. IIRC (I dont have the
>> > sources here), the relevant file should be interfaces/SConscript (I
>> > split the files for easier maintainance).
>> >
>> > On 11/07/2009, Michael Gogins  wrote:
>> >> I propose the following changes to SConstruct, which I will implement
>> >> in the next few days if there are no objections:
>> >>
>> >> (1) Re-organize the "examples" directory. The top level will contain
>> >> pieces that show off what Csound can do, currently trapped and xanadu.
>> >> Then there will be an opcodes_demo directory to show off what
>> >> particular opcodes do, like bilbar. Then each language interface will
>> >> have its own directory (c, cplusplus, java, python, lua, lisp).
>> >>
>> >> (2) Re-organize the various language API libraries so that each
>> >> language has its own shared library (C/C++, Python, Java, Lua).
>> >> Currently, several API wrappers get built into the same shared
>> >> library.
>> >>
>> >> These changes are designed to make Csound more user-friendly, by
>> >> making it easier for beginners to understand the examples, and by
>> >> making it easier to install one language API without also installing
>> >> some other one, e.g. it will be possible to install the Java wrappers
>> >> without the Python or Lua wrappers.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Mike
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Michael Gogins
>> >> Irreducible Productions
>> >> http://www.michael-gogins.com
>> >> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
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Well, the OSX parts I haev mostly left untouched, since I dont have
access to that OS either. I think it is better (and easier) to make
scons load a options.py file, a la custom.py with all the default
options. Hmm, perhaps autodetection of libraries can go in there if
people are interested.
Yes, I think building into a bin directory should be optimal, I will
try to figure that out when I go back. What error did you get?

Saludos,
Felipe Sateler



On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 18:57, Michael Gogins wrote:
> I tried it and it failed to build. One issue was the different
> directories got in the way of linking some parts of Csound with
> Csound's own shared libraries.
>
> I would much prefer it if all binaries were the in the root directory,
> or failing that in a bin directly.
>
> Otherwise I think SConstruct2 is better organized than the original. I
> don't mind all options defaulting to zero. A script with so many
> options is normally run from a shell script that sets the options
> anyway. Perhaps it could be changed to use an environment variable
> (CSOUND_SCONS_OPTIONS or something) as well.
>
> I would have rewritten the whole thing myself, but I don't build on OS
> X so I might have just messed something up, and it isn't worth taking
> that chance.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> On 7/12/09, Felipe Sateler  wrote:
>> Not really. It did at some point in time, but I have lagged behind in
>> updating it. Also, there are two showstoppers IMO: the install target
>> is not working yet, and there are some behaviour changes from the old
>> SConstruct.
>> The most notorious behaviour changes are that now targets are built in
>> their respective subdirectories (that is, opcodes will be in Opcodes,
>> the interface libraries will lie in interfaces/, etc). I am not so
>> sure this is desired by all of us (I understand plenty here run csound
>> directly from the source directory and this would get in the way).
>> The second notorious change is that SConstruct2 does not try to guess
>> what to build or not. All flags default to off, and if some flag is
>> requested and scons cannot find the required dependencies, it will
>> fail with an error message instead of disabling the features/opcodes.
>> I think this is saner than the old behaviour. Also, it allows scons to
>> check only for needed dependencies, and don't bother with unwanted
>> features dependencies.
>>
>> I think I had a few other issues, but I am away now and cannot check.
>> I will try to update it again when I go back, in early August.
>>
>> On 12/07/2009, Michael Gogins  wrote:
>>> Felipe:
>>>
>>> Does Sconstruct2 build all targets on all platforms now? If so we
>>> should remove the old SConstruct.
>>>
>>> DavidW:
>>>
>>> There are 2 issues with QuteCsound, one is that the license has to be
>>> changed to LGPL which requires rebuilding QuteCsound with the latest
>>> version of Qt, the other is that I would to try adding support for
>>> running Lua and Python in QuteCsound, which means I have to add and
>>> change some things in the sources.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/11/09, Felipe Sateler  wrote:
>>> > You may want to look at SConstruct2, which already has split the
>>> > language interfaces into their own libraries. IIRC (I dont have the
>>> > sources here), the relevant file should be interfaces/SConscript (I
>>> > split the files for easier maintainance).
>>> >
>>> > On 11/07/2009, Michael Gogins  wrote:
>>> >> I propose the following changes to SConstruct, which I will implement
>>> >> in the next few days if there are no objections:
>>> >>
>>> >> (1) Re-organize the "examples" directory. The top level will contain
>>> >> pieces that show off what Csound can do, currently trapped and xanadu.
>>> >> Then there will be an opcodes_demo directory to show off what
>>> >> particular opcodes do, like bilbar. Then each language interface will
>>> >> have its own directory (c, cplusplus, java, python, lua, lisp).
>>> >>
>>> >> (2) Re-organize the various language API libraries so that each
>>> >> language has its own shared library (C/C++, Python, Java, Lua).
>>> >> Currently, several API wrappers get built into the same shared
>>> >> library.
>>> >>
>>> >> These changes are designed to make Csound more user-friendly, by
>>> >> making it easier for beginners to understand the examples, and by
>>> >> making it easier to install one language API without also installing
>>> >> some other one, e.g. it will be possible to install the Java wrappers
>>> >> without the Python or Lua wrappers.
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >> Mike
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Michael Gogins
>>> >> Irreducible Productions
>>> >> http://www.michael-gogins.com
>>> >> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
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>>> >
>>> >
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>>> > Saludos,
>>> > Felipe Sateler
>>> >
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>>
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We could simply add the build options to the existing custom.py file system.

Regards,
Mike

On 7/14/09, Felipe Sateler  wrote:
> Well, the OSX parts I haev mostly left untouched, since I dont have
> access to that OS either. I think it is better (and easier) to make
> scons load a options.py file, a la custom.py with all the default
> options. Hmm, perhaps autodetection of libraries can go in there if
> people are interested.
> Yes, I think building into a bin directory should be optimal, I will
> try to figure that out when I go back. What error did you get?
>
> Saludos,
> Felipe Sateler
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 18:57, Michael Gogins
> wrote:
>> I tried it and it failed to build. One issue was the different
>> directories got in the way of linking some parts of Csound with
>> Csound's own shared libraries.
>>
>> I would much prefer it if all binaries were the in the root directory,
>> or failing that in a bin directly.
>>
>> Otherwise I think SConstruct2 is better organized than the original. I
>> don't mind all options defaulting to zero. A script with so many
>> options is normally run from a shell script that sets the options
>> anyway. Perhaps it could be changed to use an environment variable
>> (CSOUND_SCONS_OPTIONS or something) as well.
>>
>> I would have rewritten the whole thing myself, but I don't build on OS
>> X so I might have just messed something up, and it isn't worth taking
>> that chance.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> On 7/12/09, Felipe Sateler  wrote:
>>> Not really. It did at some point in time, but I have lagged behind in
>>> updating it. Also, there are two showstoppers IMO: the install target
>>> is not working yet, and there are some behaviour changes from the old
>>> SConstruct.
>>> The most notorious behaviour changes are that now targets are built in
>>> their respective subdirectories (that is, opcodes will be in Opcodes,
>>> the interface libraries will lie in interfaces/, etc). I am not so
>>> sure this is desired by all of us (I understand plenty here run csound
>>> directly from the source directory and this would get in the way).
>>> The second notorious change is that SConstruct2 does not try to guess
>>> what to build or not. All flags default to off, and if some flag is
>>> requested and scons cannot find the required dependencies, it will
>>> fail with an error message instead of disabling the features/opcodes.
>>> I think this is saner than the old behaviour. Also, it allows scons to
>>> check only for needed dependencies, and don't bother with unwanted
>>> features dependencies.
>>>
>>> I think I had a few other issues, but I am away now and cannot check.
>>> I will try to update it again when I go back, in early August.
>>>
>>> On 12/07/2009, Michael Gogins  wrote:
>>>> Felipe:
>>>>
>>>> Does Sconstruct2 build all targets on all platforms now? If so we
>>>> should remove the old SConstruct.
>>>>
>>>> DavidW:
>>>>
>>>> There are 2 issues with QuteCsound, one is that the license has to be
>>>> changed to LGPL which requires rebuilding QuteCsound with the latest
>>>> version of Qt, the other is that I would to try adding support for
>>>> running Lua and Python in QuteCsound, which means I have to add and
>>>> change some things in the sources.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/11/09, Felipe Sateler  wrote:
>>>> > You may want to look at SConstruct2, which already has split the
>>>> > language interfaces into their own libraries. IIRC (I dont have the
>>>> > sources here), the relevant file should be interfaces/SConscript (I
>>>> > split the files for easier maintainance).
>>>> >
>>>> > On 11/07/2009, Michael Gogins  wrote:
>>>> >> I propose the following changes to SConstruct, which I will implement
>>>> >> in the next few days if there are no objections:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> (1) Re-organize the "examples" directory. The top level will contain
>>>> >> pieces that show off what Csound can do, currently trapped and
>>>> >> xanadu.
>>>> >> Then there will be an opcodes_demo directory to show off what
>>>> >> particular opcodes do, like bilbar. Then each language interface will
>>>> >> have its own directory (c, cplusplus, java, python, lua, lisp).
>>>> >>
>>>> >> (2) Re-organize the various language API libraries so that each
>>>> >> language has its own shared library (C/C++, Python, Java, Lua).
>>>> >> Currently, several API wrappers get built into the same shared
>>>> >> library.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> These changes are designed to make Csound more user-friendly, by
>>>> >> making it easier for beginners to understand the examples, and by
>>>> >> making it easier to install one language API without also installing
>>>> >> some other one, e.g. it will be possible to install the Java wrappers
>>>> >> without the Python or Lua wrappers.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Regards,
>>>> >> Mike
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> >> Michael Gogins
>>>> >> Irreducible Productions
>>>> >> http://www.michael-gogins.com
>>>> >> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>>> >>
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>>>> >
>>>> >
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>>>> >
>>>> > Saludos,
>>>> > Felipe Sateler
>>>> >
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But that would require a bit more work. The Scons Options class
accepts a filename, and currently the customs.py is handled by a
different Options object

Saludos,
Felipe Sateler



On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 19:08, Michael Gogins wrote:
> We could simply add the build options to the existing custom.py file system.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> On 7/14/09, Felipe Sateler  wrote:
>> Well, the OSX parts I haev mostly left untouched, since I dont have
>> access to that OS either. I think it is better (and easier) to make
>> scons load a options.py file, a la custom.py with all the default
>> options. Hmm, perhaps autodetection of libraries can go in there if
>> people are interested.
>> Yes, I think building into a bin directory should be optimal, I will
>> try to figure that out when I go back. What error did you get?
>>
>> Saludos,
>> Felipe Sateler
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 18:57, Michael Gogins
>> wrote:
>>> I tried it and it failed to build. One issue was the different
>>> directories got in the way of linking some parts of Csound with
>>> Csound's own shared libraries.
>>>
>>> I would much prefer it if all binaries were the in the root directory,
>>> or failing that in a bin directly.
>>>
>>> Otherwise I think SConstruct2 is better organized than the original. I
>>> don't mind all options defaulting to zero. A script with so many
>>> options is normally run from a shell script that sets the options
>>> anyway. Perhaps it could be changed to use an environment variable
>>> (CSOUND_SCONS_OPTIONS or something) as well.
>>>
>>> I would have rewritten the whole thing myself, but I don't build on OS
>>> X so I might have just messed something up, and it isn't worth taking
>>> that chance.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On 7/12/09, Felipe Sateler  wrote:
>>>> Not really. It did at some point in time, but I have lagged behind in
>>>> updating it. Also, there are two showstoppers IMO: the install target
>>>> is not working yet, and there are some behaviour changes from the old
>>>> SConstruct.
>>>> The most notorious behaviour changes are that now targets are built in
>>>> their respective subdirectories (that is, opcodes will be in Opcodes,
>>>> the interface libraries will lie in interfaces/, etc). I am not so
>>>> sure this is desired by all of us (I understand plenty here run csound
>>>> directly from the source directory and this would get in the way).
>>>> The second notorious change is that SConstruct2 does not try to guess
>>>> what to build or not. All flags default to off, and if some flag is
>>>> requested and scons cannot find the required dependencies, it will
>>>> fail with an error message instead of disabling the features/opcodes.
>>>> I think this is saner than the old behaviour. Also, it allows scons to
>>>> check only for needed dependencies, and don't bother with unwanted
>>>> features dependencies.
>>>>
>>>> I think I had a few other issues, but I am away now and cannot check.
>>>> I will try to update it again when I go back, in early August.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/07/2009, Michael Gogins  wrote:
>>>>> Felipe:
>>>>>
>>>>> Does Sconstruct2 build all targets on all platforms now? If so we
>>>>> should remove the old SConstruct.
>>>>>
>>>>> DavidW:
>>>>>
>>>>> There are 2 issues with QuteCsound, one is that the license has to be
>>>>> changed to LGPL which requires rebuilding QuteCsound with the latest
>>>>> version of Qt, the other is that I would to try adding support for
>>>>> running Lua and Python in QuteCsound, which means I have to add and
>>>>> change some things in the sources.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/11/09, Felipe Sateler  wrote:
>>>>> > You may want to look at SConstruct2, which already has split the
>>>>> > language interfaces into their own libraries. IIRC (I dont have the
>>>>> > sources here), the relevant file should be interfaces/SConscript (I
>>>>> > split the files for easier maintainance).
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 11/07/2009, Michael Gogins  wrote:
>>>>> >> I propose the following changes to SConstruct, which I will implement
>>>>> >> in the next few days if there are no objections:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> (1) Re-organize the "examples" directory. The top level will contain
>>>>> >> pieces that show off what Csound can do, currently trapped and
>>>>> >> xanadu.
>>>>> >> Then there will be an opcodes_demo directory to show off what
>>>>> >> particular opcodes do, like bilbar. Then each language interface will
>>>>> >> have its own directory (c, cplusplus, java, python, lua, lisp).
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> (2) Re-organize the various language API libraries so that each
>>>>> >> language has its own shared library (C/C++, Python, Java, Lua).
>>>>> >> Currently, several API wrappers get built into the same shared
>>>>> >> library.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> These changes are designed to make Csound more user-friendly, by
>>>>> >> making it easier for beginners to understand the examples, and by
>>>>> >> making it easier to install one language API without also installing
>>>>> >> some other one, e.g. it will be possible to install the Java wrappers
>>>>> >> without the Python or Lua wrappers.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Regards,
>>>>> >> Mike
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> --
>>>>> >> Michael Gogins
>>>>> >> Irreducible Productions
>>>>> >> http://www.michael-gogins.com
>>>>> >> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>>>> >>
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>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
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>>>>> > Saludos,
>>>>> > Felipe Sateler
>>>>> >
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>>>>> --
>>>>> Michael Gogins
>>>>> Irreducible Productions
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Saludos,
>>>> Felipe Sateler
>>>>
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>>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>>
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