One more thing about the Building Csound section, I would omit mention of version numbers unless absolutely necessary, as they will change. 

For example, do not say "use the Start menu, Programs group, Visual C++ 9.0 Express Edition" (this is left over from MSVS 2005 and the wording has changed in MSVS 2008). Say something more generic.

Thanks,
Mike

-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Gogins 
>Sent: Mar 29, 2008 10:39 AM
>To: Developer discussions 
>Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Manual redraft: Building Csound: all platforms
>
>WinCVS works fine for me, and I use it almost exclusively. WinCVS used to need PuTTY which was a pain to set up, but that is no longer the case, so WinCVS is now easy to get to work although the documentation is not always obvious.
>
>Regards,
>Mike
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Rory Walsh 
>>Sent: Mar 29, 2008 8:53 AM
>>To: Developer discussions 
>>Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Manual redraft: Building Csound: all platforms
>>
>>Hi Andreas, the build section now looks much more detailed thanks to 
>>David and you for working on this. One thing I might add that it is 
>>rather unlikely that windows users have CVS installed on their machine. 
>>  I think it might also be a good idea to suggest running a simple 
>>command line version of CVS rather than a GUI one. I've had no luck with 
>>CVS GUIs on any platform and almost all of the instructions given for 
>>CVS are command line ones.
>>
>>Rory.
>>
>>
>>Andres Cabrera wrote:
>>> Thanks David,
>>> I've incorporated your ideas and reorganized the building section. It
>>> is attached below. Comments welcome.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Andrés
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 7:29 AM, DavidW  wrote:
>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>
>>>>  I'm attaching my first reworking of the Building Csound manual page.
>>>>  The list rejected my attached rtf file so this is my attempt at a .txt
>>>>
>>>>  Would people who have some knowledge of the process check it out and
>>>>  comment out anything that's inaccurate or add anything else you think
>>>>  might be useful.
>>>>  My questions are in red.
>>>>
>>>>  Please send your comments  to me off list and I'll incorporate. I've
>>>>  contacted Anthony Kozar re info for Mac pre-OSX builds.
>>>>
>>>>  thanks,
>>>>  David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Building Csound
>>>> Prev   	Part I. Overview 	 Next 
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Building Csound
>>>>
>>>> Csound has become a complex project and can involve many dependencies. 
>>>> Unless you are a Csound developer or need to develop Csound plugins, 
>>>> you should try to use one of the precompiled distributions from 
>>>> http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/csound. However, building from 
>>>> source is probably the best option on GNU/Linux.
>>>>
>>>> This section focuses on the main Csound 5 build system, which uses 
>>>> SCons , a Python program that replaces /make/ 
>>>> for cross-platform configuration and building.
>>>>
>>>> When building Csound from source instead of using a precompiled 
>>>> package, you first need to obtain the sources for a release of Csound 
>>>> at http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/csound. The source packages 
>>>> have either a zip or tar.gz extension.
>>>>
>>>> The latest Csound source code is available through the Concurrent 
>>>> Versions System (CVS). It's likely that you'll already have CVS 
>>>> installed on your machine. If not, it can be downloaded from 
>>>> (http://www.cvshome.org).
>>>>
>>>> The Csound CVS front page is located at: 
>>>> http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=81968 >>> CVS>. Information about accessing the CVS repository may be found in 
>>>> the SourceForge document http://sourceforge.net/docs/E04/ 
>>>> . To download 
>>>> Csound sources using CVS, run the following commands (from a terminal 
>>>> or DOS shell):
>>>>
>>>>     cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@csound.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/csound login
>>>>
>>>>     cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@csound.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/csound co -P csound5
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>> To update the Csound5 sources you already have in your csound5 
>>>> directory, change to that directory, and then type:
>>>>
>>>>     cvs -z3 update -d
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>> To update only a single file, change to the sources directory, and 
>>>> then type:
>>>>
>>>>     cvs -z3 update filename
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Basic requirements to build Csound 5 on any platform
>>>>
>>>>     * Install libdsndfile version 1.0.13 or later from
>>>>       www.mega-nerd.com/libsndfile .
>>>>     * Install Python from www.python.org . In
>>>>       most cases it is best to install the most recent stable version.
>>>>       Python is needed for SCons to run.
>>>>     * Install the SCons build system from www.scons.org
>>>>       . The recommended version for SCons is
>>>>       version 0.97.
>>>>
>>>> These are the minimum requirements for a build, but csound has many 
>>>> optional components which enhance functionality and add opcodes which 
>>>> may require additional libraries.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Optional configurations (ALL platforms)
>>>>
>>>> In most cases it is best to install the most recent stable versions of 
>>>> the optional libraries.
>>>>
>>>>     * Real-time audio can use the cross-platform PortAudio library
>>>>       (v19-devel branch) from www.portaudio.com/usingcvs.html
>>>>       . Please note that
>>>>       stable version 18 will not work. Csound can also use several
>>>>       platform specific audio APIs like ALSA, JACK, CoreAudio and the
>>>>       Windows multimedia library, see each platform notes for details.
>>>>     * Real-time MIDI can use the cross-platform PortMidi library from
>>>>       www.cs.cmu.edu/~music/portmusic
>>>>       
>>>>     * For GUI widgets, install FLTK 1.1 from www.fltk.org
>>>>       . You must configure and build FLTK with
>>>>       |--enable-shared --enable-threads|.
>>>>     * For generating Python and Java interfaces, install the Software
>>>>       Interface and Wrapper Generator (SWIG) from http://www.swig.org.
>>>>     * /CsoundAC/ requires FLTK and the boost C++ template libraries
>>>>       for random numbers and linear algebra, from
>>>>       http://www.boost.org. /CsoundAC/ requires at least version 1.32.1.
>>>>     * The fluid opcodes require the Fluidsynth library from
>>>>       http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/fluid.
>>>>     * The OSC opcodes require the latest version of the liblo library
>>>>       from http://plugin.org.uk/liblo. On Windows, liblo requires a
>>>>       Windows version of the POSIX thread library (pthreads) which is
>>>>       available from http://sourceware.org/pthreads-win32; copy
>>>>       libpthreadGC2.a to libpthread.a. You may also need the latest
>>>>       version of autoconf from MinGW.
>>>>     * The STK opcodes require STK source code from
>>>>       http://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/stk, copied into
>>>>       |csound5/Opcodes/stk|.
>>>>     * The Loris opcodes require Loris source code from
>>>>       http://sourceforge.net/projects/loris, copied into
>>>>       |csound5/Opcodes/Loris|.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Windows
>>>>
>>>> The following is needed to build on Windows:
>>>>
>>>>    *
>>>>
>>>>       Install a compiler like gcc or Microsoft Visual Studio (there is
>>>>       also support for the Intel C++ compiler). If using MinGW (gcc),
>>>>       install all of the current release of MinGW using the Automated
>>>>       MinGW Installer from www.mingw.org , for
>>>>       example into |c:/mingw|. This should install gcc, g++, GNU
>>>>       binutils, the MinGW runtime, and the win32 API. Then install the
>>>>       current release of MSys.
>>>>
>>>>       On Windows with Microsoft Visual C++, install Microsoft Visual
>>>>       C++ 2008. The free Express Edition, from
>>>>       http://www.microsoft.com/express/vc/ works fine. You will need
>>>>       to obtain a copy of the |dirent.h| header file for Windows, e.g.
>>>>       from http://www.softagalleria.net/dirent.php. You may also need
>>>>       to obtain the |bufferoverflowu.lib| library from Microsoft and
>>>>       put it into the Visual C++ |lib| directory. Then, to open a
>>>>       shell in which to compile Csound, use the Start menu, Programs
>>>>       group, Visual C++ 9.0 Express Edition, Visual Studio Tools,
>>>>       Visual Studio Command Prompt command.
>>>>
>>>> Optional configurations for Windows include the following:
>>>>
>>>>     * Real-time audio and MIDI can use the Windows multimedia library.
>>>>       This module will be built automatically if the headers are found.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Linux
>>>>
>>>> Optional configurations for Linux include the following:
>>>>
>>>>     * Real-time audio on Linux can use ALSA (www.alsa-project.org
>>>>       ) and JACK (www.jackaudio.org/
>>>>       ) in addition to PortAudio.
>>>>       Distributions usually provide the appropriate dev packages for
>>>>       these systems through their repositories.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Mac OS X
>>>>
>>>> Optional configurations for Mac OS X include the following:
>>>>
>>>>     * Real-time audio can use CoreAudio (OSX builtin native audio
>>>>       system) and Jack, appart from PortAudio.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Building Csound 5 with SCons
>>>>
>>>> When you have all the necessary packages and their sources (or -dev 
>>>> packages) to support your particular requirements on your hardware 
>>>> platform, execute "scons -h" to discover the current configuration 
>>>> options.
>>>>
>>>> Building is made considerably easier if, when installing, the 
>>>> downloaded headers and libraries are installed in their default 
>>>> locations. To modify the default build, in particular to handle 
>>>> non-standard options for third-party dependencies, such as where 
>>>> headers and libraries are to be found:
>>>>
>>>>     * On Windows, when building with Microsoft Visual C++, modify
>>>>       custom-msvc.py
>>>>     * On Windows, when building with MinGW/MSys, modify custom-mingw.py
>>>>     * On Linux and Mac OSX edit custom.py
>>>>
>>>> If you do modify this file, you should make it read-only (or otherwise 
>>>> protect it) so that CVS will not overwrite it when you next update the 
>>>> sourcefiles. Avoid modifying the SConstruct file.
>>>>
>>>> Execute scons with the optional custom variables you desire. For example:
>>>>
>>>> scons buildOSC=1 buildCsound5GUI=1 buildPythonOpcodes=1 useOSC=1 buildLoris=0
>>>> [Note] 	Note
>>>>
>>>> It is important that you set the environment variable |OPCODEDIR| to 
>>>> the directory where plugin libraries are installed; in the case of a 
>>>> double precision build, |OPCODEDIR64| should be set instead. 
>>>> Installers usually take care of this, but it is necessary when 
>>>> building from source so Csound can find its plugin libraries.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Current build options
>>>>
>>>> *Table 4. Current SCons Build Options*
>>>>
>>>> Custom Variable 	Effect if set to 1
>>>> buildCsoundVST 	Build CsoundVST. Needs CsoundAC, FLTK, boost, Python, 
>>>> SWIG.
>>>> buildCsoundAC 	Build CsoundAC. Needs FLTK, boost, Python, SWIG.
>>>> buildCsound5GUI 	Build FLTK GUI frontend. Requires FLTK 1.1.7 or later.
>>>> buildCSEditor 	Build the Csound syntax highlighting text editor. 
>>>> Requires FLTK headers and libs.
>>>> buildDSSI 	Build DSSI/LADSPA host opcodes.
>>>> buildImageOpcodes 	Build image opcodes. 1 by default. Set to 0 to avoid.
>>>> buildInterfaces 	Build interface library for Python, JAVA, Lua, C++, 
>>>> and other languages.
>>>> buildJavaWrapper 	Build Java wrapper for the interface library.
>>>> buildLoris 	Build the Loris Python extension and opcodes.
>>>> buildNewParser 	Enable building new parser. Requires Flex/Bison.
>>>> buildOSXGUI 	Build the basic GUI frontend. OSX only.
>>>> buildPDClass 	Build csoundapi~ PD class. Needs m_pd.h in the standard 
>>>> places.
>>>> buildPythonOpcodes 	Build Python opcodes
>>>> buildRelease 	Build for release. Implies noDebug.
>>>> buildSDFT 	Build SDFT code. 1 by default. Set to 0 to avoid.
>>>> buildTclcsound 	Build Tclcsound frontend (cstclsh, cswish and 
>>>> tclcsound dynamic module). Requires Tcl/Tk headers and libs.
>>>> buildUtilities 	Build stand-alone executables for utilities that can 
>>>> also be used with -U.
>>>> buildVirtual 	Build Virtual MIDI keyboard. Requires FLTK 1.1.7 or 
>>>> later headers and libs.
>>>> buildvst4cs 	Build vst4cs plugins Requires Steinberg VST headers.
>>>> buildWinsound 	Build Winsound frontend. Requires FLTK headers and libs.
>>>> dynamicCsoundLibrary 	Build dynamic Csound library instead of 
>>>> libcsound.a.
>>>> gcc3opt 	Enable gcc 3.3.x or later optimizations for the specified CPU 
>>>> architecture (e.g. pentium3); implies noDebug.
>>>> gcc4opt 	Enable gcc 4.0 or later optimizations for the specified CPU 
>>>> architecture (e.g. pentium3); implies noDebug.
>>>> generateTags 	Generate TAGS.
>>>> generatePdf 	Generate PDF documentation.
>>>> install 	Enables the Install targets.
>>>> Lib64 	Build for lib64 rather than lib.
>>>> noDebug 	Build without debugging information.
>>>> noFLTKThreads 	Disable use of a separate thread for FLTK widgets.
>>>> useAltivec 	On OSX use the gcc AltiVec optmisation flags.
>>>> useALSA 	ALSA for real-time audio and MIDI input and output.
>>>> useCoreAudio 	use CoreAudio for real-time audio input and output.
>>>> useDouble 	Use double-precision floating point for audio samples.
>>>> useFLTK 	Use FLTK for graphs and widget opcodes.
>>>> useGettext 	Use the GNU internationalisation/localisation scheme
>>>> useGprof 	Build with profiling information (-pg).
>>>> usePortAudio 	Use PortAudio for real-time audio input and output.
>>>> usePortMIDI 	Build PortMidi plugin for real time MIDI input and output.
>>>> useJack 	Used if you compiled PortAudio to use Jack; also builds Jack 
>>>> plugin.
>>>> useLrint 	Use lrint() and lrintf() for converting floating point 
>>>> values to integers.
>>>> useOSC 	For OSC support.
>>>> useUDP 	For UDP support. 1 by default. Set to 0 to avoid.
>>>> withICL 	Build with the Intel C++ Compiler (also requires Microsoft 
>>>> Visual C++), Set to 0 to build with MinGW. Windows only.
>>>> withMSVC 	Build with Microsoft Visual C++, or set to 0 to build with 
>>>> MinGW. Windows only.
>>>> Word64 	Build for 64bit computer.
>>>> pythonVersion 	Set to the Python version to be used.
>>>>
>>>>
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Hey thanks _very_ much for doing this Anrés, I had intended to do it,  
but having to learn docbook etc formats slowed me up.
You'll notice that the very last row of the table of compile options  
"PythonVersion" is out of alphabetic order. I put it there because it  
is the only non-boolean.
Perhaps it should go at the top, outside the table, as follows:

"When building csound, the version of python used to do the build can  
be set with the  Custom Variable PythonVersion. For example
PythonVarable = 2.4. All other Custom Variables are set out in Table  
4, below."

I can't see the latest updates from today's feedback because  I'm  
getting a make error when trying to compile the latest CVS:

> drwIntel:manual drw$ make
> mkdir -p html
> xsltproc --nonet --xinclude -o html/ docbook-xsl-1.73.2/ 
> customXHTMLchunk.xsl manual.xml
> misc/quickref.xml:6: parser error : Premature end of data in tag  
> appendix line 3
> ^
> misc/top.xml:3: error: Failure to process entity miscquickref
>   &miscquickref;
>                 ^
> misc/top.xml:3: parser error : Entity 'miscquickref' not defined
>   &miscquickref;
>                 ^
> manual.xml:1620: error: Failure to process entity misc
>   &misc;
>         ^
> manual.xml:1620: parser error : Entity 'misc' not defined
>   &misc;
>         ^
> unable to parse manual.xml
> make: *** [html] Error 6

I that me or is it a type in the file?
cheers,

David

On 30/03/2008, at 1:56 AM, Andres Cabrera wrote:
> Thanks for the feedback. I've incorprated your suggestions, and I've
> left version numbers only whe they state a minimum requirement.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrés
>
> On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Michael Gogins  
>  wrote:
>> One more thing about the Building Csound section, I would omit  
>> mention of version numbers unless absolutely necessary, as they  
>> will change.
>>
>> For example, do not say "use the Start menu, Programs group, Visual  
>> C++ 9.0 Express Edition" (this is left over from MSVS 2005 and the  
>> wording has changed in MSVS 2008). Say something more generic.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Michael Gogins 
>>> Sent: Mar 29, 2008 10:39 AM
>>> To: Developer discussions 
>>> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Manual redraft: Building Csound: all platforms
>>>
>>> WinCVS works fine for me, and I use it almost exclusively. WinCVS  
>>> used to need PuTTY which was a pain to set up, but that is no  
>>> longer the case, so WinCVS is now easy to get to work although the  
>>> documentation is not always obvious.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rory Walsh 
>>>> Sent: Mar 29, 2008 8:53 AM
>>>> To: Developer discussions 
>>>> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Manual redraft: Building Csound: all  
>>>> platforms
>>>>
>>>> Hi Andreas, the build section now looks much more detailed thanks  
>>>> to
>>>> David and you for working on this. One thing I might add that it is
>>>> rather unlikely that windows users have CVS installed on their  
>>>> machine.
>>>> I think it might also be a good idea to suggest running a simple
>>>> command line version of CVS rather than a GUI one. I've had no  
>>>> luck with
>>>> CVS GUIs on any platform and almost all of the instructions given  
>>>> for
>>>> CVS are command line ones.
>>>>
>>>> Rory.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Andres Cabrera wrote:
>>>>> Thanks David,
>>>>> I've incorporated your ideas and reorganized the building  
>>>>> section. It
>>>>> is attached below. Comments welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Andrés
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 7:29 AM, DavidW  wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm attaching my first reworking of the Building Csound manual  
>>>>>> page.
>>>>>> The list rejected my attached rtf file so this is my attempt at  
>>>>>> a .txt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would people who have some knowledge of the process check it  
>>>>>> out and
>>>>>> comment out anything that's inaccurate or add anything else you  
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> might be useful.
>>>>>> My questions are in red.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please send your comments  to me off list and I'll incorporate.  
>>>>>> I've
>>>>>> contacted Anthony Kozar re info for Mac pre-OSX builds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>> David
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Building Csound
>>>>>> Prev         Part I. Overview         Next  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Building Csound
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Csound has become a complex project and can involve many  
>>>>>> dependencies.
>>>>>> Unless you are a Csound developer or need to develop Csound  
>>>>>> plugins,
>>>>>> you should try to use one of the precompiled distributions from
>>>>>> http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/csound. However, building  
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> source is probably the best option on GNU/Linux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This section focuses on the main Csound 5 build system, which  
>>>>>> uses
>>>>>> SCons , a Python program that replaces / 
>>>>>> make/
>>>>>> for cross-platform configuration and building.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When building Csound from source instead of using a precompiled
>>>>>> package, you first need to obtain the sources for a release of  
>>>>>> Csound
>>>>>> at http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/csound. The source  
>>>>>> packages
>>>>>> have either a zip or tar.gz extension.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The latest Csound source code is available through the Concurrent
>>>>>> Versions System (CVS). It's likely that you'll already have CVS
>>>>>> installed on your machine. If not, it can be downloaded from
>>>>>> (http://www.cvshome.org).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Csound CVS front page is located at:
>>>>>> http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=81968 >>>>> Csound
>>>>>> CVS>. Information about accessing the CVS repository may be  
>>>>>> found in
>>>>>> the SourceForge document http://sourceforge.net/docs/E04/
>>>>>> . To  
>>>>>> download
>>>>>> Csound sources using CVS, run the following commands (from a  
>>>>>> terminal
>>>>>> or DOS shell):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@csound.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/ 
>>>>>> csound login
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@csound.cvs.sourceforge.net:/ 
>>>>>> cvsroot/csound co -P csound5
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To update the Csound5 sources you already have in your csound5
>>>>>> directory, change to that directory, and then type:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    cvs -z3 update -d
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To update only a single file, change to the sources directory,  
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> then type:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    cvs -z3 update filename
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Basic requirements to build Csound 5 on any platform
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    * Install libdsndfile version 1.0.13 or later from
>>>>>>      www.mega-nerd.com/libsndfile >>>>> >.
>>>>>>    * Install Python from www.python.org >>>>> www.python.org>. In
>>>>>>      most cases it is best to install the most recent stable  
>>>>>> version.
>>>>>>      Python is needed for SCons to run.
>>>>>>    * Install the SCons build system from www.scons.org
>>>>>>      . The recommended version for SCons is
>>>>>>      version 0.97.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These are the minimum requirements for a build, but csound has  
>>>>>> many
>>>>>> optional components which enhance functionality and add opcodes  
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> may require additional libraries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Optional configurations (ALL platforms)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In most cases it is best to install the most recent stable  
>>>>>> versions of
>>>>>> the optional libraries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    * Real-time audio can use the cross-platform PortAudio library
>>>>>>      (v19-devel branch) from www.portaudio.com/usingcvs.html
>>>>>>      . Please note that
>>>>>>      stable version 18 will not work. Csound can also use several
>>>>>>      platform specific audio APIs like ALSA, JACK, CoreAudio  
>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>      Windows multimedia library, see each platform notes for  
>>>>>> details.
>>>>>>    * Real-time MIDI can use the cross-platform PortMidi library  
>>>>>> from
>>>>>>      www.cs.cmu.edu/~music/portmusic
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>    * For GUI widgets, install FLTK 1.1 from www.fltk.org
>>>>>>      . You must configure and build FLTK  
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>      |--enable-shared --enable-threads|.
>>>>>>    * For generating Python and Java interfaces, install the  
>>>>>> Software
>>>>>>      Interface and Wrapper Generator (SWIG) from http://www.swig.org 
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>    * /CsoundAC/ requires FLTK and the boost C++ template  
>>>>>> libraries
>>>>>>      for random numbers and linear algebra, from
>>>>>>      http://www.boost.org. /CsoundAC/ requires at least version  
>>>>>> 1.32.1.
>>>>>>    * The fluid opcodes require the Fluidsynth library from
>>>>>>      http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/fluid.
>>>>>>    * The OSC opcodes require the latest version of the liblo  
>>>>>> library
>>>>>>      from http://plugin.org.uk/liblo. On Windows, liblo  
>>>>>> requires a
>>>>>>      Windows version of the POSIX thread library (pthreads)  
>>>>>> which is
>>>>>>      available from http://sourceware.org/pthreads-win32; copy
>>>>>>      libpthreadGC2.a to libpthread.a. You may also need the  
>>>>>> latest
>>>>>>      version of autoconf from MinGW.
>>>>>>    * The STK opcodes require STK source code from
>>>>>>      http://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/stk, copied into
>>>>>>      |csound5/Opcodes/stk|.
>>>>>>    * The Loris opcodes require Loris source code from
>>>>>>      http://sourceforge.net/projects/loris, copied into
>>>>>>      |csound5/Opcodes/Loris|.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Windows
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The following is needed to build on Windows:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   *
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Install a compiler like gcc or Microsoft Visual Studio  
>>>>>> (there is
>>>>>>      also support for the Intel C++ compiler). If using MinGW  
>>>>>> (gcc),
>>>>>>      install all of the current release of MinGW using the  
>>>>>> Automated
>>>>>>      MinGW Installer from www.mingw.org ,  
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>      example into |c:/mingw|. This should install gcc, g++, GNU
>>>>>>      binutils, the MinGW runtime, and the win32 API. Then  
>>>>>> install the
>>>>>>      current release of MSys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      On Windows with Microsoft Visual C++, install Microsoft  
>>>>>> Visual
>>>>>>      C++ 2008. The free Express Edition, from
>>>>>>      http://www.microsoft.com/express/vc/ works fine. You will  
>>>>>> need
>>>>>>      to obtain a copy of the |dirent.h| header file for  
>>>>>> Windows, e.g.
>>>>>>      from http://www.softagalleria.net/dirent.php. You may also  
>>>>>> need
>>>>>>      to obtain the |bufferoverflowu.lib| library from Microsoft  
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>      put it into the Visual C++ |lib| directory. Then, to open a
>>>>>>      shell in which to compile Csound, use the Start menu,  
>>>>>> Programs
>>>>>>      group, Visual C++ 9.0 Express Edition, Visual Studio Tools,
>>>>>>      Visual Studio Command Prompt command.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Optional configurations for Windows include the following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    * Real-time audio and MIDI can use the Windows multimedia  
>>>>>> library.
>>>>>>      This module will be built automatically if the headers are  
>>>>>> found.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Linux
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Optional configurations for Linux include the following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    * Real-time audio on Linux can use ALSA (www.alsa-project.org
>>>>>>      ) and JACK (www.jackaudio.org/
>>>>>>      ) in addition to PortAudio.
>>>>>>      Distributions usually provide the appropriate dev packages  
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>      these systems through their repositories.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Mac OS X
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Optional configurations for Mac OS X include the following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    * Real-time audio can use CoreAudio (OSX builtin native audio
>>>>>>      system) and Jack, appart from PortAudio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Building Csound 5 with SCons
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you have all the necessary packages and their sources (or - 
>>>>>> dev
>>>>>> packages) to support your particular requirements on your  
>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>> platform, execute "scons -h" to discover the current  
>>>>>> configuration
>>>>>> options.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Building is made considerably easier if, when installing, the
>>>>>> downloaded headers and libraries are installed in their default
>>>>>> locations. To modify the default build, in particular to handle
>>>>>> non-standard options for third-party dependencies, such as where
>>>>>> headers and libraries are to be found:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    * On Windows, when building with Microsoft Visual C++, modify
>>>>>>      custom-msvc.py
>>>>>>    * On Windows, when building with MinGW/MSys, modify custom- 
>>>>>> mingw.py
>>>>>>    * On Linux and Mac OSX edit custom.py
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you do modify this file, you should make it read-only (or  
>>>>>> otherwise
>>>>>> protect it) so that CVS will not overwrite it when you next  
>>>>>> update the
>>>>>> sourcefiles. Avoid modifying the SConstruct file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Execute scons with the optional custom variables you desire.  
>>>>>> For example:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> scons buildOSC=1 buildCsound5GUI=1 buildPythonOpcodes=1  
>>>>>> useOSC=1 buildLoris=0
>>>>>> [Note]     Note
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is important that you set the environment variable | 
>>>>>> OPCODEDIR| to
>>>>>> the directory where plugin libraries are installed; in the case  
>>>>>> of a
>>>>>> double precision build, |OPCODEDIR64| should be set instead.
>>>>>> Installers usually take care of this, but it is necessary when
>>>>>> building from source so Csound can find its plugin libraries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Current build options
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Table 4. Current SCons Build Options*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Custom Variable    Effect if set to 1
>>>>>> buildCsoundVST     Build CsoundVST. Needs CsoundAC, FLTK,  
>>>>>> boost, Python,
>>>>>> SWIG.
>>>>>> buildCsoundAC      Build CsoundAC. Needs FLTK, boost, Python,  
>>>>>> SWIG.
>>>>>> buildCsound5GUI    Build FLTK GUI frontend. Requires FLTK 1.1.7  
>>>>>> or later.
>>>>>> buildCSEditor      Build the Csound syntax highlighting text  
>>>>>> editor.
>>>>>> Requires FLTK headers and libs.
>>>>>> buildDSSI  Build DSSI/LADSPA host opcodes.
>>>>>> buildImageOpcodes  Build image opcodes. 1 by default. Set to 0  
>>>>>> to avoid.
>>>>>> buildInterfaces    Build interface library for Python, JAVA,  
>>>>>> Lua, C++,
>>>>>> and other languages.
>>>>>> buildJavaWrapper   Build Java wrapper for the interface library.
>>>>>> buildLoris         Build the Loris Python extension and opcodes.
>>>>>> buildNewParser     Enable building new parser. Requires Flex/ 
>>>>>> Bison.
>>>>>> buildOSXGUI        Build the basic GUI frontend. OSX only.
>>>>>> buildPDClass       Build csoundapi~ PD class. Needs m_pd.h in  
>>>>>> the standard
>>>>>> places.
>>>>>> buildPythonOpcodes         Build Python opcodes
>>>>>> buildRelease       Build for release. Implies noDebug.
>>>>>> buildSDFT  Build SDFT code. 1 by default. Set to 0 to avoid.
>>>>>> buildTclcsound     Build Tclcsound frontend (cstclsh, cswish and
>>>>>> tclcsound dynamic module). Requires Tcl/Tk headers and libs.
>>>>>> buildUtilities     Build stand-alone executables for utilities  
>>>>>> that can
>>>>>> also be used with -U.
>>>>>> buildVirtual       Build Virtual MIDI keyboard. Requires FLTK  
>>>>>> 1.1.7 or
>>>>>> later headers and libs.
>>>>>> buildvst4cs        Build vst4cs plugins Requires Steinberg VST  
>>>>>> headers.
>>>>>> buildWinsound      Build Winsound frontend. Requires FLTK  
>>>>>> headers and libs.
>>>>>> dynamicCsoundLibrary       Build dynamic Csound library instead  
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> libcsound.a.
>>>>>> gcc3opt    Enable gcc 3.3.x or later optimizations for the  
>>>>>> specified CPU
>>>>>> architecture (e.g. pentium3); implies noDebug.
>>>>>> gcc4opt    Enable gcc 4.0 or later optimizations for the  
>>>>>> specified CPU
>>>>>> architecture (e.g. pentium3); implies noDebug.
>>>>>> generateTags       Generate TAGS.
>>>>>> generatePdf        Generate PDF documentation.
>>>>>> install    Enables the Install targets.
>>>>>> Lib64      Build for lib64 rather than lib.
>>>>>> noDebug    Build without debugging information.
>>>>>> noFLTKThreads      Disable use of a separate thread for FLTK  
>>>>>> widgets.
>>>>>> useAltivec         On OSX use the gcc AltiVec optmisation flags.
>>>>>> useALSA    ALSA for real-time audio and MIDI input and output.
>>>>>> useCoreAudio       use CoreAudio for real-time audio input and  
>>>>>> output.
>>>>>> useDouble  Use double-precision floating point for audio samples.
>>>>>> useFLTK    Use FLTK for graphs and widget opcodes.
>>>>>> useGettext         Use the GNU internationalisation/ 
>>>>>> localisation scheme
>>>>>> useGprof   Build with profiling information (-pg).
>>>>>> usePortAudio       Use PortAudio for real-time audio input and  
>>>>>> output.
>>>>>> usePortMIDI        Build PortMidi plugin for real time MIDI  
>>>>>> input and output.
>>>>>> useJack    Used if you compiled PortAudio to use Jack; also  
>>>>>> builds Jack
>>>>>> plugin.
>>>>>> useLrint   Use lrint() and lrintf() for converting floating point
>>>>>> values to integers.
>>>>>> useOSC     For OSC support.
>>>>>> useUDP     For UDP support. 1 by default. Set to 0 to avoid.
>>>>>> withICL    Build with the Intel C++ Compiler (also requires  
>>>>>> Microsoft
>>>>>> Visual C++), Set to 0 to build with MinGW. Windows only.
>>>>>> withMSVC   Build with Microsoft Visual C++, or set to 0 to  
>>>>>> build with
>>>>>> MinGW. Windows only.
>>>>>> Word64     Build for 64bit computer.
>>>>>> pythonVersion      Set to the Python version to be used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>>> 
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Builds now, thanks Anrés,
Small correction:
Under OSX heading
> Mac OS X
> Optional configurations for Mac OS X include the following:
>
> 	• Real-time audio can use CoreAudio (OSX builtin native audio  
> system) and Jack, appart from PortAudio.


Suggest this instead:
Mac OS X
	• Real-time audio can use CoreAudio (OSX builtin native audio system)  
or PortAudio
	* Jack support requires Portaudio (i.e. will not work with CoreAudio)


On 31/03/2008, at 1:57 PM, Andres Cabrera wrote:
> My bad, I committed a broken file. It should be fixed now.
> Cheers,
> Andres
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 6:09 AM, DavidW  wrote:
>> Hey thanks _very_ much for doing this Anrés, I had intended to do it,
>> but having to learn docbook etc formats slowed me up.
>> You'll notice that the very last row of the table of compile options
>> "PythonVersion" is out of alphabetic order. I put it there because it
>> is the only non-boolean.
>> Perhaps it should go at the top, outside the table, as follows:
>>
>> "When building csound, the version of python used to do the build can
>> be set with the  Custom Variable PythonVersion. For example
>> PythonVarable = 2.4. All other Custom Variables are set out in Table
>> 4, below."
>>
>> I can't see the latest updates from today's feedback because  I'm
>> getting a make error when trying to compile the latest CVS:
>> ...



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I though so too, but haven't used it for ages.
So, what does Andrés original wording mean?


> Mac OS X
> Optional configurations for Mac OS X include the following:
>
> 	• Real-time audio can use CoreAudio (OSX builtin native audio
> system) and Jack, appart from PortAudio.


On 31/03/2008, at 11:37 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 11:18:36PM +1100, DavidW wrote:
>
>> Suggest this instead:
>> Mac OS X
>> 	• Real-time audio can use CoreAudio (OSX builtin native audio  
>> system)
>> or PortAudio
>> 	* Jack support requires Portaudio (i.e. will not work with  
>> CoreAudio)
>
> As far as I know, Jack on OSX uses CoreAudio.
>
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yes,

Jack works natively with Coreaudio (the latest jacklib is
actually installed by Csound, so it is all there).

Victor

At 13:54 31/03/2008, you wrote:
>I though so too, but haven't used it for ages.
>So, what does Andrés original wording mean?
>
>
> > Mac OS X
> > Optional configurations for Mac OS X include the following:
> >
> >       • Real-time audio can use CoreAudio (OSX builtin native audio
> > system) and Jack, appart from PortAudio.
>
>
>On 31/03/2008, at 11:37 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 11:18:36PM +1100, DavidW wrote:
> >
> >> Suggest this instead:
> >> Mac OS X
> >>      • Real-time audio can use CoreAudio (OSX builtin native audio
> >> system)
> >> or PortAudio
> >>      * Jack support requires Portaudio (i.e. will not work with
> >> CoreAudio)
> >
> > As far as I know, Jack on OSX uses CoreAudio.
> >
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If this is the case, as Victor suggests, then let's be specific:

Perhaps:
Real-time audio can use CoreAudio or PortAudio.
To use Jack it must be explicitly set as a Command Option for the  
build, irrespective of which real-time option is selected."

I haven't tested the accuracy of this.

David

On 01/04/2008, at 3:21 AM, Andres Cabrera wrote:
> I think the wording implies that Jack even though it goes through
> CoreAudio is a separate interface from Csound's point of view, so I
> think the wording fits. (i.e. you can build the Jack rt module without
> building the CoreAudio module, is this correct?)
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Cheers,
> Andrés
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 7:18 AM, DavidW  wrote:
>> Builds now, thanks Anrés,
>> Small correction:
>> Under OSX heading
>>
>>> Mac OS X
>>> Optional configurations for Mac OS X include the following:
>>>
>>>      • Real-time audio can use CoreAudio (OSX builtin native audio
>>> system) and Jack, appart from PortAudio.
>>
>>
>> Suggest this instead:
>> Mac OS X
>>
>>        • Real-time audio can use CoreAudio (OSX builtin native  
>> audio system)
>> or PortAudio
>>        * Jack support requires Portaudio (i.e. will not work with  
>> CoreAudio)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31/03/2008, at 1:57 PM, Andres Cabrera wrote:
>>> My bad, I committed a broken file. It should be fixed now.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Andres
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 6:09 AM, DavidW  wrote:
>>>> Hey thanks _very_ much for doing this Anrés, I had intended to do  
>>>> it,
>>>> but having to learn docbook etc formats slowed me up.
>>>> You'll notice that the very last row of the table of compile  
>>>> options
>>>> "PythonVersion" is out of alphabetic order. I put it there  
>>>> because it
>>>> is the only non-boolean.
>>>> Perhaps it should go at the top, outside the table, as follows:
>>>>
>>>> "When building csound, the version of python used to do the build  
>>>> can
>>>> be set with the  Custom Variable PythonVersion. For example
>>>> PythonVarable = 2.4. All other Custom Variables are set out in  
>>>> Table
>>>> 4, below."
>>>>
>>>> I can't see the latest updates from today's feedback because  I'm
>>>> getting a make error when trying to compile the latest CVS:
>>>> ...
>>

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This is absolutely the right way to work on the Mac - imho

I am mainly using portaudio and portmidi on the mac now.

-dB

On Mar 31, 2008, at 3:50 PM, DavidW wrote:

> If this is the case, as Victor suggests, then let's be specific:
>
> Perhaps:
> Real-time audio can use CoreAudio or PortAudio.
> To use Jack it must be explicitly set as a Command Option for the
> build, irrespective of which real-time option is selected."
>
> I haven't tested the accuracy of this.
>
> David
>
> On 01/04/2008, at 3:21 AM, Andres Cabrera wrote:
>> I think the wording implies that Jack even though it goes through
>> CoreAudio is a separate interface from Csound's point of view, so I
>> think the wording fits. (i.e. you can build the Jack rt module  
>> without
>> building the CoreAudio module, is this correct?)
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andrés
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 7:18 AM, DavidW  wrote:
>>> Builds now, thanks Anrés,
>>> Small correction:
>>> Under OSX heading
>>>
>>>> Mac OS X
>>>> Optional configurations for Mac OS X include the following:
>>>>
>>>>      • Real-time audio can use CoreAudio (OSX builtin native audio
>>>> system) and Jack, appart from PortAudio.
>>>
>>>
>>> Suggest this instead:
>>> Mac OS X
>>>
>>>        • Real-time audio can use CoreAudio (OSX builtin native
>>> audio system)
>>> or PortAudio
>>>        * Jack support requires Portaudio (i.e. will not work with
>>> CoreAudio)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 31/03/2008, at 1:57 PM, Andres Cabrera wrote:
>>>> My bad, I committed a broken file. It should be fixed now.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Andres
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 6:09 AM, DavidW  wrote:
>>>>> Hey thanks _very_ much for doing this Anrés, I had intended to do
>>>>> it,
>>>>> but having to learn docbook etc formats slowed me up.
>>>>> You'll notice that the very last row of the table of compile
>>>>> options
>>>>> "PythonVersion" is out of alphabetic order. I put it there
>>>>> because it
>>>>> is the only non-boolean.
>>>>> Perhaps it should go at the top, outside the table, as follows:
>>>>>
>>>>> "When building csound, the version of python used to do the build
>>>>> can
>>>>> be set with the  Custom Variable PythonVersion. For example
>>>>> PythonVarable = 2.4. All other Custom Variables are set out in
>>>>> Table
>>>>> 4, below."
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't see the latest updates from today's feedback because  I'm
>>>>> getting a make error when trying to compile the latest CVS:
>>>>> ...
>>>
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