yes, I am seeing the same thing. I have not noticed this before because everything works
fine with python.org python and I have not used the python supplied by Apple for many
years.

========================
Prof. Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
Maynooth University,
Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
Tel: 00 353 7086936
Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 

> On 23 May 2018, at 21:15, Worrall, David  wrote:
> 
> Hi Victor,
> 
> I tried to import ctcsound, with the same outcome.
> 
> (I’m yet to find documentation on ctcsound – I checked the mail lists; also for this problem) without success, at this point in time.
> 
> I’m guessing I can piece something together from the API pages on csounds.com, but without a successful import, that is mute 😊
> 
> 
> I hope you’re well,
> 
>  
> 
> David
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> ---
> 
> Prof David Worrall, PhD
> 
> Audio Arts and Acoustics
> 
> Columbia College Chicago
> 
> 33 E Congress Pkwy Room 601N
> 
> Chicago, ILLINOIS, USA 60605
> 
> Tel: (1)312.369.8821 Fax: (1)312.369.8427
> 
> Wikipedia: David Worrall
> 
> Personal research/creative practice website: avatar.com.au
> 
> President, International Community for Auditory Display icad.org
> 
>  
> 
> From: Csound-developers  on behalf of Victor Lazzarini 
> Reply-To: Csound-developers 
> Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 3:08 PM
> To: "CSOUND-DEV@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE" 
> Subject: Re: [Csnd-dev] python import problem of build
> 
>  
> 
> We’ll check that, bu also why don’t you try ctcsound instead of csnd6?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Victor Lazzarini
> 
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
> 
> Maynooth University
> 
> Ireland
> 
> 
> On 23 May 2018, at 20:53, Worrall, David  wrote:
> 
> Hello all!,
> 
> (I’m back again, after a couple of years of admin hell,  so I’m a bit behind the csound times… :-(
> 
>  
> 
> I’m about to run another python/csound workshop for ICAD, so I tried to do a bog-standard install (OSX) of the csound:
> 
> latest dmg (6.11.0) in order to access it via the OS’s bog standard python (2.7.10)
> 
> Result: import error
> 
> Exception report:
> 
> C02S424ZG8WN2:Python davidworrall$ cd ~
> 
> C02S424ZG8WN2:~ davidworrall$ which python
> 
> /usr/bin/python
> 
> C02S424ZG8WN2:~ davidworrall$ python
> 
> Python 2.7.10 (default, Oct 23 2015, 19:19:21) 
> 
> [GCC 4.2.1 Compatible Apple LLVM 7.0.0 (clang-700.0.59.5)] on darwin
> 
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> 
> >>> import csnd6
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> 
>   File "", line 1, in 
> 
>   File "/Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/csnd6.py", line 17, in 
> 
>     _csnd6 = swig_import_helper()
> 
>   File "/Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/csnd6.py", line 16, in swig_import_helper
> 
>     return importlib.import_module('_csnd6')
> 
>   File "/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/importlib/__init__.py", line 37, in import_module
> 
>     __import__(name)
> 
> ImportError: dlopen(/Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/_csnd6.so, 2): Library not loaded: @rpath/libcsnd6.6.0.dylib
> 
>   Referenced from: /Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/_csnd6.so
> 
>   Reason: image not found
> 
>  
> 
> Here’s the offending linked path:
> 
> /Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/_csnd6.so -> /Library/Frameworks/CsoundLib64.framework/Resources/Python/Current/_csnd6.so
> 
>  
> 
> C02S424ZG8WN2:Python davidworrall$ ls -l /Library/Frameworks/CsoundLib64.framework/Resources/Python/Current/
> 
> total 4792
> 
> -rwxrwxr-x  1 root  wheel  2132108 May 11 04:02 _csnd6.so
> 
> -rwxrwxr-x  1 root  wheel   197302 May 11 04:02 csnd6.py
> 
> -rwxrwxr-x  1 root  wheel   115138 May 11 04:02 ctcsound.py
> 
>  
> 
> This dynlib has been installed:
> 
> -rwxrwxr-x  1 root  wheel  453436 May 11 04:02 /Library/Frameworks/CsoundLib64.framework/Versions/6.0/libcsnd6.6.0.dylib
> 
>  
> 
> I’m guessing  that, following installation, @rpath/libcsnd6.6.0.dylib
> 
> Does not point to this. Is that analysis correct or is the likely to be something else?
> 
>  
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> David
> 
>  
> 
> PS installation of 10.6.8 works fine.
> 
>  
> 
> ---
> 
> Prof David Worrall, PhD
> 
> Audio Arts and Acoustics
> 
> Columbia College Chicago
> 
> 33 E Congress Pkwy Room 601N
> 
> Chicago, ILLINOIS, USA 60605
> 
> Tel: (1)312.369.8821 Fax: (1)312.369.8427
> 
> Wikipedia: David Worrall
> 
> Personal research/creative practice website: avatar.com.au
> 
> President, International Community for Auditory Display icad.org
> 

I think the python.org could be recommended anyway, since it’s four subversions ahead of the apple supplied one. I am 
looking at a solution here for the apple python and I’ll see if I can sort it.
========================
Prof. Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
Maynooth University,
Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
Tel: 00 353 7086936
Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 

> On 23 May 2018, at 21:32, Worrall, David  wrote:
> 
> I understand – personally I use the Anaconda python and have had to build my own csound from sources for it:
> Haven’t done it for a couple of years though…
> If the problem proves difficult, I can recommend workshop participants use the python.org python – especially if that download version works on all platforms.
>  
> My first preference is to use the Anaconda framework but when I tried last time, the csound.dmg would not install with it.
>  
> Thanks for your time…
> David
> (I’ve been teaching with csound 6.08 & the OSX python 7.7 for the last year with no problems: solid as a rock, though I bits are deprecating).
>  
>  
>  
> ---
> Prof David Worrall, PhD
> Audio Arts and Acoustics
> Columbia College Chicago
> 33 E Congress Pkwy Room 601N
> Chicago, ILLINOIS, USA 60605
> Tel: (1)312.369.8821 Fax: (1)312.369.8427
> Wikipedia: David Worrall
> Personal research/creative practice website: avatar.com.au
> President, International Community for Auditory Display icad.org
>  
> From: Csound-developers  on behalf of Victor Lazzarini 
> Reply-To: Csound-developers 
> Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 3:22 PM
> To: "CSOUND-DEV@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE" 
> Subject: Re: [Csnd-dev] python import problem of build
>  
> yes, I am seeing the same thing. I have not noticed this before because everything works
> fine with python.org python and I have not used the python supplied by Apple for many
> years.
>  
> ========================
> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
> Maynooth University,
> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
> Tel: 00 353 7086936
> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>  
> On 23 May 2018, at 21:15, Worrall, David  wrote:
> Hi Victor,
> I tried to import ctcsound, with the same outcome.
> (I’m yet to find documentation on ctcsound – I checked the mail lists; also for this problem) without success, at this point in time.
> I’m guessing I can piece something together from the API pages on csounds.com, but without a successful import, that is mute 😊
> I hope you’re well,
>   
> David
>   
>   
>   
> ---
> Prof David Worrall, PhD
> Audio Arts and Acoustics
> Columbia College Chicago
> 33 E Congress Pkwy Room 601N
> Chicago, ILLINOIS, USA 60605
> Tel: (1)312.369.8821 Fax: (1)312.369.8427
> Wikipedia: David Worrall
> Personal research/creative practice website: avatar.com.au
> President, International Community for Auditory Display icad.org
>   
> From: Csound-developers  on behalf of Victor Lazzarini 
> Reply-To: Csound-developers 
> Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 3:08 PM
> To: "CSOUND-DEV@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE" 
> Subject: Re: [Csnd-dev] python import problem of build
>   
> We’ll check that, bu also why don’t you try ctcsound instead of csnd6?
>   
>   
> Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
> Maynooth University
> Ireland
> On 23 May 2018, at 20:53, Worrall, David  wrote:
> Hello all!,
> (I’m back again, after a couple of years of admin hell,  so I’m a bit behind the csound times… :-(
>   
> I’m about to run another python/csound workshop for ICAD, so I tried to do a bog-standard install (OSX) of the csound:
> latest dmg (6.11.0) in order to access it via the OS’s bog standard python (2.7.10)
> Result: import error
> Exception report:
> C02S424ZG8WN2:Python davidworrall$ cd ~
> C02S424ZG8WN2:~ davidworrall$ which python
> /usr/bin/python
> C02S424ZG8WN2:~ davidworrall$ python
> Python 2.7.10 (default, Oct 23 2015, 19:19:21)
> [GCC 4.2.1 Compatible Apple LLVM 7.0.0 (clang-700.0.59.5)] on darwin
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> >>> import csnd6
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>    File "", line 1, in 
>    File "/Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/csnd6.py", line 17, in 
>      _csnd6 = swig_import_helper()
>    File "/Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/csnd6.py", line 16, in swig_import_helper
>      return importlib.import_module('_csnd6')
>    File "/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/importlib/__init__.py", line 37, in import_module
>      __import__(name)
> ImportError: dlopen(/Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/_csnd6.so, 2): Library not loaded: @rpath/libcsnd6.6.0.dylib
>    Referenced from: /Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/_csnd6.so
>    Reason: image not found
>   
> Here’s the offending linked path:
> /Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/_csnd6.so -> /Library/Frameworks/CsoundLib64.framework/Resources/Python/Current/_csnd6.so
>   
> C02S424ZG8WN2:Python davidworrall$ ls -l /Library/Frameworks/CsoundLib64.framework/Resources/Python/Current/
> total 4792
> -rwxrwxr-x  1 root  wheel  2132108 May 11 04:02 _csnd6.so
> -rwxrwxr-x  1 root  wheel   197302 May 11 04:02 csnd6.py
> -rwxrwxr-x  1 root  wheel   115138 May 11 04:02 ctcsound.py
>   
> This dynlib has been installed:
> -rwxrwxr-x  1 root  wheel  453436 May 11 04:02 /Library/Frameworks/CsoundLib64.framework/Versions/6.0/libcsnd6.6.0.dylib
>   
> I’m guessing  that, following installation, @rpath/libcsnd6.6.0.dylib
> Does not point to this. Is that analysis correct or is the likely to be something else?
>   
> Many thanks,
> David
>   
> PS installation of 10.6.8 works fine.
>   
> ---
> Prof David Worrall, PhD
> Audio Arts and Acoustics
> Columbia College Chicago
> 33 E Congress Pkwy Room 601N
> Chicago, ILLINOIS, USA 60605
> Tel: (1)312.369.8821 Fax: (1)312.369.8427
> Wikipedia: David Worrall
> Personal research/creative practice website: avatar.com.au
> President, International Community for Auditory Display ic

Well, this is very strange. I noticed I had some development installation of the the Python modules in
$HOME/Library/Python/…  so I deleted that directory completely. Now Apple Python loads the module
without any problems:

MacBook-Pro:~ victor$ /usr/bin/python
Python 2.7.10 (default, Oct  6 2017, 22:29:07) 
[GCC 4.2.1 Compatible Apple LLVM 9.0.0 (clang-900.0.31)] on darwin
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import csnd6
>>> quit()

I still have problems with ctcsound and apple python, but at least csnd6 loads. 

Check if this rings any bells for you.

========================
Prof. Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
Maynooth University,
Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
Tel: 00 353 7086936
Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 

> On 23 May 2018, at 21:42, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> 
> I think the python.org could be recommended anyway, since it’s four subversions ahead of the apple supplied one. I am 
> looking at a solution here for the apple python and I’ll see if I can sort it.
> ========================
> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
> Maynooth University,
> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
> Tel: 00 353 7086936
> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 
> 
>> On 23 May 2018, at 21:32, Worrall, David  wrote:
>> 
>> I understand – personally I use the Anaconda python and have had to build my own csound from sources for it:
>> Haven’t done it for a couple of years though…
>> If the problem proves difficult, I can recommend workshop participants use the python.org python – especially if that download version works on all platforms.
>> 
>> My first preference is to use the Anaconda framework but when I tried last time, the csound.dmg would not install with it.
>> 
>> Thanks for your time…
>> David
>> (I’ve been teaching with csound 6.08 & the OSX python 7.7 for the last year with no problems: solid as a rock, though I bits are deprecating).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ---
>> Prof David Worrall, PhD
>> Audio Arts and Acoustics
>> Columbia College Chicago
>> 33 E Congress Pkwy Room 601N
>> Chicago, ILLINOIS, USA 60605
>> Tel: (1)312.369.8821 Fax: (1)312.369.8427
>> Wikipedia: David Worrall
>> Personal research/creative practice website: avatar.com.au
>> President, International Community for Auditory Display icad.org
>> 
>> From: Csound-developers  on behalf of Victor Lazzarini 
>> Reply-To: Csound-developers 
>> Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 3:22 PM
>> To: "CSOUND-DEV@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE" 
>> Subject: Re: [Csnd-dev] python import problem of build
>> 
>> yes, I am seeing the same thing. I have not noticed this before because everything works
>> fine with python.org python and I have not used the python supplied by Apple for many
>> years.
>> 
>> ========================
>> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>> Maynooth University,
>> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>> Tel: 00 353 7086936
>> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>> 
>> On 23 May 2018, at 21:15, Worrall, David  wrote:
>> Hi Victor,
>> I tried to import ctcsound, with the same outcome.
>> (I’m yet to find documentation on ctcsound – I checked the mail lists; also for this problem) without success, at this point in time.
>> I’m guessing I can piece something together from the API pages on csounds.com, but without a successful import, that is mute 😊
>> I hope you’re well,
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ---
>> Prof David Worrall, PhD
>> Audio Arts and Acoustics
>> Columbia College Chicago
>> 33 E Congress Pkwy Room 601N
>> Chicago, ILLINOIS, USA 60605
>> Tel: (1)312.369.8821 Fax: (1)312.369.8427
>> Wikipedia: David Worrall
>> Personal research/creative practice website: avatar.com.au
>> President, International Community for Auditory Display icad.org
>> 
>> From: Csound-developers  on behalf of Victor Lazzarini 
>> Reply-To: Csound-developers 
>> Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 3:08 PM
>> To: "CSOUND-DEV@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE" 
>> Subject: Re: [Csnd-dev] python import problem of build
>> 
>> We’ll check that, bu also why don’t you try ctcsound instead of csnd6?
>> 
>> 
>> Victor Lazzarini
>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
>> Maynooth University
>> Ireland
>> On 23 May 2018, at 20:53, Worrall, David  wrote:
>> Hello all!,
>> (I’m back again, after a couple of years of admin hell,  so I’m a bit behind the csound times… :-(
>> 
>> I’m about to run another python/csound workshop for ICAD, so I tried to do a bog-standard install (OSX) of the csound:
>> latest dmg (6.11.0) in order to access it via the OS’s bog standard python (2.7.10)
>> Result: import error
>> Exception report:
>> C02S424ZG8WN2:Python davidworrall$ cd ~
>> C02S424ZG8WN2:~ davidworrall$ which python
>> /usr/bin/python
>> C02S424ZG8WN2:~ davidworrall$ python
>> Python 2.7.10 (default, Oct 23 2015, 19:19:21)
>> [GCC 4.2.1 Compatible Apple LLVM 7.0.0 (clang-700.0.59.5)] on darwin
>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>>>> import csnd6
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "", line 1, in 
>>   File "/Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/csnd6.py", line 17, in 
>>     _csnd6 = swig_import_helper()
>>   File "/Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/csnd6.py", line 16, in swig_import_helper
>>     return importlib.import_module('_csnd6')
>>   File "/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/importlib/__init__.py", line 37, in import_module
>>     __import__(name)
>> ImportError: dlopen(/Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/_csnd6.so, 2): Library not loaded: @rpath/libcsnd6.6.0.dylib
>>   Referenced from: /Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/_csnd6.so
>>   Reason: image not found
>> 
>> Here’s the offending linked path:
>> /Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/_csnd6.so -> /Library/Frameworks/CsoundLib64.framework/Resources/Python/Current/_csnd6.so
>> 
>> C02S424ZG8WN2:Python davidworrall$ ls -l /Library/Frameworks/CsoundLib64.framework/Resources/Python/Current/
>> total 4792
>> -rwxrwxr-x  1 root  wheel  2132108 May 11 04:02 _csnd6.so
>> -rwxrwxr-x  1 root  wheel   197302 May 11 04:02 csnd6.py
>> -rwxrwxr-x  1 root  wheel   115138 May 11 04:02 ctcsound.py
>> 
>> This dynlib has been installed:
>> -rwxrwxr-x  1 root  wheel  453436 May 11 04:02 /Library/Frameworks/CsoundLib64.framework/Versions/6.0/libcsnd6.6.0.dylib
>> 
>> I’m guessing  that, following installation, @rpath/libcsnd6.6.0.dylib
>> Does not point to this. Is that analysis correct or is the likely to be something else?
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> David
>> 
>> PS installation of 10.6.8 works fine.
>> 
>> ---
>> Prof David Worrall, PhD
>> Audio Arts and Acoustics
>> Columbia College Chicago
>> 33 E Congress Pkwy Room 601N
>> Chicago, ILLINOIS, USA 60605
>> Tel: (1)312.369.8821 Fax: (1)312.369.8427
>> Wikipedia: David Worrall
>> Personal research/creative practice website: avatar.com.au
>> President, International Co

And even more strangely, the python.org python fails to find the modules now, even though the 
apple one does.

========================
Prof. Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
Maynooth University,
Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
Tel: 00 353 7086936
Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 

> On 23 May 2018, at 22:07, Worrall, David  wrote:
> 
> I don’t have a $HOME python library, so it didn’t sole it for me :-(
> I’ll check this on a 2nd machine I tried to run the installer on as well.
>  
> @d
> ---
> Prof David Worrall, PhD
> Audio Arts and Acoustics
> Columbia College Chicago
> 33 E Congress Pkwy Room 601N
> Chicago, ILLINOIS, USA 60605
> Tel: (1)312.369.8821 Fax: (1)312.369.8427
> Wikipedia: David Worrall
> Personal research/creative practice website: avatar.com.au
> President, International Community for Auditory Display icad.org
>  
> From: Csound-developers  on behalf of Victor Lazzarini 
> Reply-To: Csound-developers 
> Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 3:57 PM
> To: "CSOUND-DEV@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE" 
> Subject: Re: [Csnd-dev] python import problem of build
>  
> Well, this is very strange. I noticed I had some development installation of the the Python modules in
> $HOME/Library/Python/…  so I deleted that directory completely. Now Apple Python loads the module
> without any problems:
>  
> MacBook-Pro:~ victor$ /usr/bin/python
> Python 2.7.10 (default, Oct  6 2017, 22:29:07)
> [GCC 4.2.1 Compatible Apple LLVM 9.0.0 (clang-900.0.31)] on darwin
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> import csnd6
> quit()
>  
> I still have problems with ctcsound and apple python, but at least csnd6 loads.
>  
> Check if this rings any bells for you.
>  
> ========================
> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
> Maynooth University,
> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
> Tel: 00 353 7086936
> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>  
> On 23 May 2018, at 21:42, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> I think the python.org could be recommended anyway, since it’s four subversions ahead of the apple supplied one. I am
> looking at a solution here for the apple python and I’ll see if I can sort it.
> ========================
> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
> Maynooth University,
> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
> Tel: 00 353 7086936
> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
> On 23 May 2018, at 21:32, Worrall, David  wrote:
> I understand – personally I use the Anaconda python and have had to build my own csound from sources for it:
> Haven’t done it for a couple of years though…
> If the problem proves difficult, I can recommend workshop participants use the python.org python – especially if that download version works on all platforms.
> My first preference is to use the Anaconda framework but when I tried last time, the csound.dmg would not install with it.
> Thanks for your time…
> David
> (I’ve been teaching with csound 6.08 & the OSX python 7.7 for the last year with no problems: solid as a rock, though I bits are deprecating).
> ---
> Prof David Worrall, PhD
> Audio Arts and Acoustics
> Columbia College Chicago
> 33 E Congress Pkwy Room 601N
> Chicago, ILLINOIS, USA 60605
> Tel: (1)312.369.8821 Fax: (1)312.369.8427
> Wikipedia: David Worrall
> Personal research/creative practice website: avatar.com.au
> President, International Community for Auditory Display icad.org
> From: Csound-developers  on behalf of Victor Lazzarini 
> Reply-To: Csound-developers 
> Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 3:22 PM
> To: "CSOUND-DEV@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE" 
> Subject: Re: [Csnd-dev] python import problem of build
> yes, I am seeing the same thing. I have not noticed this before because everything works
> fine with python.org python and I have not used the python supplied by Apple for many
> years.
> ========================
> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
> Maynooth University,
> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
> Tel: 00 353 7086936
> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
> On 23 May 2018, at 21:15, Worrall, David  wrote:
> Hi Victor,
> I tried to import ctcsound, with the same outcome.
> (I’m yet to find documentation on ctcsound – I checked the mail lists; also for this problem) without success, at this point in time.
> I’m guessing I can piece something together from the API pages on csounds.com, but without a successful import, that is mute 😊
> I hope you’re well,
> David
> ---
> Prof David Worrall, PhD
> Audio Arts and Acoustics
> Columbia College Chicago
> 33 E Congress Pkwy Room 601N
> Chicago, ILLINOIS, USA 60605
> Tel: (1)312.369.8821 Fax: (1)312.369.8427
> Wikipedia: David Worrall
> Personal research/creative practice website: avatar.com.au
> President, International Community for Auditory Display icad.org
> From: Csound-developers  on behalf of Victor Lazzarini 
> Reply-To: Csound-developers 
> Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 3:08 PM
> To: "CSOUND-DEV@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE" 
> Subject: Re: [Csnd-dev] python import problem of build
> We’ll check that, bu also why don’t you try ctcsound instead of csnd6?
> Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
> Maynooth University
> Ireland
> On 23 May 2018, at 20:53, Worrall, David  wrote:
> Hello all!,
> (I’m back again, after a couple of years of admin hell,  so I’m a bit behind the csound times… :-(
> I’m about to run another python/csound workshop for ICAD, so I tried to do a bog-standard install (OSX) of the csound:
> latest dmg (6.11.0) in order to access it via the OS’s bog standard python (2.7.10)
> Result: import error
> Exception report:
> C02S424ZG8WN2:Python davidworrall$ cd ~
> C02S424ZG8WN2:~ davidworrall$ which python
> /usr/bin/python
> C02S424ZG8WN2:~ davidworrall$ python
> Python 2.7.10 (default, Oct 23 2015, 19:19:21)
> [GCC 4.2.1 Compatible Apple LLVM 7.0.0 (clang-700.0.59.5)] on darwin
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> import csnd6
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>    File "", line 1, in 
>    File "/Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/csnd6.py", line 17, in 
>      _csnd6 = swig_import_helper()
>    File "/Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/csnd6.py", line 16, in swig_import_helper
>      return importlib.import_module('_csnd6')
>    File "/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/importlib/__init__.py", line 37, in import_module
>      __import__(name)
> ImportError: dlopen(/Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/_csnd6.so, 2): Library not loaded: @rpath/libcsnd6.6.0.dylib
>    Referenced from: /Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/_csnd6.so
>    Reason: image not found
> Here’s the offending linked path:
> /Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/_csnd6.so -> /Library/Frameworks/CsoundLib64.framework/Resources/Python/Current/_csnd6.so
> C02S424ZG8WN2:Python davidworrall$ ls -l /Library/Frameworks/CsoundLib64.framework/Resources/Python/Current/
> total 4792
> -rwxrwxr-x  1 root  wheel  2132108 May 11 04:02 _csnd6.so
> -rwxrwxr-x  1 root  wheel   197302 May 11 04:02 csnd6.py
> -rwxrwxr-x  1 root  wheel   115138 May 11 04:02 ctcsound.py
> This dynlib has been installed:
> -rwxrwxr-x  1 root  wheel  453436 May 11 04:02 /Library/Frameworks/CsoundLib64.framework/Versions/6.0/libcsnd6.6.0.dylib
> I’m guessing  that, following installation, @rpath/libcsnd6.6.0.dylib
> Does not point to this. Is that analysis correct or is the likely to be something else?
> Many thanks,
> David
> PS installation of 10.6.8 works fine.
> ---
> Prof David Worrall, PhD
> Audio Arts and Acoustics
> Columbia College Chicago
> 33 E Congress Pkwy Room 601N
> Chicago, ILLINOIS, USA 60605
> Tel: (1)312.369.8821 Fax: (1)312.369.8427
> Wikipedia: David Worrall
> Personal research/creative practice website: avatar.com.au
> President, International Community for Audi

But python3 has no problem finding ctcsound...
========================
Prof. Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
Maynooth University,
Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
Tel: 00 353 7086936
Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 

> On 23 May 2018, at 22:16, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> 
> And even more strangely, the python.org python fails to find the modules now, even though the 
> apple one does.
> 
> ========================
> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
> Maynooth University,
> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
> Tel: 00 353 7086936
> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 
> 
>> On 23 May 2018, at 22:07, Worrall, David  wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t have a $HOME python library, so it didn’t sole it for me :-(
>> I’ll check this on a 2nd machine I tried to run the installer on as well.
>> 
>> @d
>> ---
>> Prof David Worrall, PhD
>> Audio Arts and Acoustics
>> Columbia College Chicago
>> 33 E Congress Pkwy Room 601N
>> Chicago, ILLINOIS, USA 60605
>> Tel: (1)312.369.8821 Fax: (1)312.369.8427
>> Wikipedia: David Worrall
>> Personal research/creative practice website: avatar.com.au
>> President, International Community for Auditory Display icad.org
>> 
>> From: Csound-developers  on behalf of Victor Lazzarini 
>> Reply-To: Csound-developers 
>> Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 3:57 PM
>> To: "CSOUND-DEV@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE" 
>> Subject: Re: [Csnd-dev] python import problem of build
>> 
>> Well, this is very strange. I noticed I had some development installation of the the Python modules in
>> $HOME/Library/Python/…  so I deleted that directory completely. Now Apple Python loads the module
>> without any problems:
>> 
>> MacBook-Pro:~ victor$ /usr/bin/python
>> Python 2.7.10 (default, Oct  6 2017, 22:29:07)
>> [GCC 4.2.1 Compatible Apple LLVM 9.0.0 (clang-900.0.31)] on darwin
>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>> import csnd6
>> quit()
>> 
>> I still have problems with ctcsound and apple python, but at least csnd6 loads.
>> 
>> Check if this rings any bells for you.
>> 
>> ========================
>> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>> Maynooth University,
>> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>> Tel: 00 353 7086936
>> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>> 
>> On 23 May 2018, at 21:42, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>> I think the python.org could be recommended anyway, since it’s four subversions ahead of the apple supplied one. I am
>> looking at a solution here for the apple python and I’ll see if I can sort it.
>> ========================
>> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>> Maynooth University,
>> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>> Tel: 00 353 7086936
>> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>> On 23 May 2018, at 21:32, Worrall, David  wrote:
>> I understand – personally I use the Anaconda python and have had to build my own csound from sources for it:
>> Haven’t done it for a couple of years though…
>> If the problem proves difficult, I can recommend workshop participants use the python.org python – especially if that download version works on all platforms.
>> My first preference is to use the Anaconda framework but when I tried last time, the csound.dmg would not install with it.
>> Thanks for your time…
>> David
>> (I’ve been teaching with csound 6.08 & the OSX python 7.7 for the last year with no problems: solid as a rock, though I bits are deprecating).
>> ---
>> Prof David Worrall, PhD
>> Audio Arts and Acoustics
>> Columbia College Chicago
>> 33 E Congress Pkwy Room 601N
>> Chicago, ILLINOIS, USA 60605
>> Tel: (1)312.369.8821 Fax: (1)312.369.8427
>> Wikipedia: David Worrall
>> Personal research/creative practice website: avatar.com.au
>> President, International Community for Auditory Display icad.org
>> From: Csound-developers  on behalf of Victor Lazzarini 
>> Reply-To: Csound-developers 
>> Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 3:22 PM
>> To: "CSOUND-DEV@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE" 
>> Subject: Re: [Csnd-dev] python import problem of build
>> yes, I am seeing the same thing. I have not noticed this before because everything works
>> fine with python.org python and I have not used the python supplied by Apple for many
>> years.
>> ========================
>> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>> Maynooth University,
>> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>> Tel: 00 353 7086936
>> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>> On 23 May 2018, at 21:15, Worrall, David  wrote:
>> Hi Victor,
>> I tried to import ctcsound, with the same outcome.
>> (I’m yet to find documentation on ctcsound – I checked the mail lists; also for this problem) without success, at this point in time.
>> I’m guessing I can piece something together from the API pages on csounds.com, but without a successful import, that is mute 😊
>> I hope you’re well,
>> David
>> ---
>> Prof David Worrall, PhD
>> Audio Arts and Acoustics
>> Columbia College Chicago
>> 33 E Congress Pkwy Room 601N
>> Chicago, ILLINOIS, USA 60605
>> Tel: (1)312.369.8821 Fax: (1)312.369.8427
>> Wikipedia: David Worrall
>> Personal research/creative practice website: avatar.com.au
>> President, International Community for Auditory Display icad.org
>> From: Csound-developers  on behalf of Victor Lazzarini 
>> Reply-To: Csound-developers 
>> Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 3:08 PM
>> To: "CSOUND-DEV@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE" 
>> Subject: Re: [Csnd-dev] python import problem of build
>> We’ll check that, bu also why don’t you try ctcsound instead of csnd6?
>> Victor Lazzarini
>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
>> Maynooth University
>> Ireland
>> On 23 May 2018, at 20:53, Worrall, David  wrote:
>> Hello all!,
>> (I’m back again, after a couple of years of admin hell,  so I’m a bit behind the csound times… :-(
>> I’m about to run another python/csound workshop for ICAD, so I tried to do a bog-standard install (OSX) of the csound:
>> latest dmg (6.11.0) in order to access it via the OS’s bog standard python (2.7.10)
>> Result: import error
>> Exception report:
>> C02S424ZG8WN2:Python davidworrall$ cd ~
>> C02S424ZG8WN2:~ davidworrall$ which python
>> /usr/bin/python
>> C02S424ZG8WN2:~ davidworrall$ python
>> Python 2.7.10 (default, Oct 23 2015, 19:19:21)
>> [GCC 4.2.1 Compatible Apple LLVM 7.0.0 (clang-700.0.59.5)] on darwin
>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>> import csnd6
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "", line 1, in 
>>   File "/Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/csnd6.py", line 17, in 
>>     _csnd6 = swig_import_helper()
>>   File "/Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/csnd6.py", line 16, in swig_import_helper
>>     return importlib.import_module('_csnd6')
>>   File "/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/importlib/__init__.py", line 37, in import_module
>>     __import__(name)
>> ImportError: dlopen(/Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/_csnd6.so, 2): Library not loaded: @rpath/libcsnd6.6.0.dylib
>>   Referenced from: /Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/_csnd6.so
>>   Reason: image not found
>> Here’s the offending linked path:
>> /Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/_csnd6.so -> /Library/Frameworks/CsoundLib64.framework/Resources/Python/Current/_csnd6.so
>> C02S424ZG8WN2:Python davidworrall$ ls -l /Library/Frameworks/CsoundLib64.framework/Resources/Python/Current/
>> total 4792
>> -rwxrwxr-x  1 root  wheel  2132108 May 11 04:02 _csnd6.so
>> -rwxrwxr-x  1 root  wheel   197302 May 11 04:02 csnd6.py
>> -rwxrwxr-x  1 root  wheel   115138 May 11 04:02 ctcsound.py
>> This dynlib has been installed:
>> -rwxrwxr-x  1 root  wheel  453436 May 11 04:02 /Library/Frameworks/CsoundLib64.framework/Versions/6.0/libcsnd6.6.0.dylib
>> I’m guessing  that, following installation, @rpath/libcsnd6.6.0.dylib
>> Does not point to this. Is that analysis correct or is the likely to be something else?
>> Many thanks,
>> David
>> PS installation of 10.6.8 works fine.
>> ---
>> Prof David Worrall, PhD
>> Audio Arts and Acoustics
>> Columbia College Chicago
>> 33 E Congress Pkwy Room 601N
>> Chicago, ILLINOIS, USA 60605
>> Tel: (1)312.369.8821 Fax: (1)312.369.8427
>> Wikipedia: David Worrall
>> Personal research/creative practice website: avatar.com.au
>> President, International Community for Auditory Display ic

So, for some reason python.org python (2.7.15) cannot find any packages installed in
site-packages. If we point the PYTHONPATH to that directory, then it finds them alright
and they get loaded.

Apple python works, so I should expect it to work there too. The library that does not
seem to be found has a symlink in /usr/local/lib/libcsnd6.6.0.dylib which should be
enough for it to be located.

This is on a 10.13.4 mac.

========================
Prof. Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
Maynooth University,
Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
Tel: 00 353 7086936
Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 

> On 23 May 2018, at 22:21, Worrall, David  wrote:
> 
> Well I’m glad it is not just my stupidity :-)
> I also checked.bash_profile (looking for an $OPCODE6DIR64 conflict) to see if there is anything funny going on there, without a result.
>  
> ---
> Prof David Worrall, PhD
> Audio Arts and Acoustics
> Columbia College Chicago
> 33 E Congress Pkwy Room 601N
> Chicago, ILLINOIS, USA 60605
> Tel: (1)312.369.8821 Fax: (1)312.369.8427
> Wikipedia: David Worrall
> Personal research/creative practice website: avatar.com.au
> President, International Community for Auditory Display icad.org
>  
> From: Csound-developers  on behalf of Victor Lazzarini 
> Reply-To: Csound-developers 
> Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 4:16 PM
> To: "CSOUND-DEV@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE" 
> Subject: Re: [Csnd-dev] python import problem of build
>  
> And even more strangely, the python.org python fails to find the modules now, even though the
> apple one does.
>  
> ========================
> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
> Maynooth University,
> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
> Tel: 00 353 7086936
> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>  
> On 23 May 2018, at 22:07, Worrall, David  wrote:
> I don’t have a $HOME python library, so it didn’t sole it for me :-(
> I’ll check this on a 2nd machine I tried to run the installer on as well.
>   
> @d
> ---
> Prof David Worrall, PhD
> Audio Arts and Acoustics
> Columbia College Chicago
> 33 E Congress Pkwy Room 601N
> Chicago, ILLINOIS, USA 60605
> Tel: (1)312.369.8821 Fax: (1)312.369.8427
> Wikipedia: David Worrall
> Personal research/creative practice website: avatar.com.au
> President, International Community for Auditory Display icad.org
>   
> From: Csound-developers  on behalf of Victor Lazzarini 
> Reply-To: Csound-developers 
> Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 3:57 PM
> To: "CSOUND-DEV@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE" 
> Subject: Re: [Csnd-dev] python import problem of build
>   
> Well, this is very strange. I noticed I had some development installation of the the Python modules in
> $HOME/Library/Python/…  so I deleted that directory completely. Now Apple Python loads the module
> without any problems:
>   
> MacBook-Pro:~ victor$ /usr/bin/python
> Python 2.7.10 (default, Oct  6 2017, 22:29:07)
> [GCC 4.2.1 Compatible Apple LLVM 9.0.0 (clang-900.0.31)] on darwin
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> import csnd6
> quit()
>   
> I still have problems with ctcsound and apple python, but at least csnd6 loads.
>   
> Check if this rings any bells for you.
>   
> ========================
> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
> Maynooth University,
> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
> Tel: 00 353 7086936
> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>   
> On 23 May 2018, at 21:42, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> I think the python.org could be recommended anyway, since it’s four subversions ahead of the apple supplied one. I am
> looking at a solution here for the apple python and I’ll see if I can sort it.
> ========================
> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
> Maynooth University,
> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
> Tel: 00 353 7086936
> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
> On 23 May 2018, at 21:32, Worrall, David  wrote:
> I understand – personally I use the Anaconda python and have had to build my own csound from sources for it:
> Haven’t done it for a couple of years though…
> If the problem proves difficult, I can recommend workshop participants use the python.org python – especially if that download version works on all platforms.
> My first preference is to use the Anaconda framework but when I tried last time, the csound.dmg would not install with it.
> Thanks for your time…
> David
> (I’ve been teaching with csound 6.08 & the OSX python 7.7 for the last year with no problems: solid as a rock, though I bits are deprecating).
> ---
> Prof David Worrall, PhD
> Audio Arts and Acoustics
> Columbia College Chicago
> 33 E Congress Pkwy Room 601N
> Chicago, ILLINOIS, USA 60605
> Tel: (1)312.369.8821 Fax: (1)312.369.8427
> Wikipedia: David Worrall
> Personal research/creative practice website: avatar.com.au
> President, International Community for Auditory Display icad.org
> From: Csound-developers  on behalf of Victor Lazzarini 
> Reply-To: Csound-developers 
> Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 3:22 PM
> To: "CSOUND-DEV@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE" 
> Subject: Re: [Csnd-dev] python import problem of build
> yes, I am seeing the same thing. I have not noticed this before because everything works
> fine with python.org python and I have not used the python supplied by Apple for many
> years.
> ========================
> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
> Maynooth University,
> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
> Tel: 00 353 7086936
> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
> On 23 May 2018, at 21:15, Worrall, David  wrote:
> Hi Victor,
> I tried to import ctcsound, with the same outcome.
> (I’m yet to find documentation on ctcsound – I checked the mail lists; also for this problem) without success, at this point in time.
> I’m guessing I can piece something together from the API pages on csounds.com, but without a successful import, that is mute 😊
> I hope you’re well,
> David
> ---
> Prof David Worrall, PhD
> Audio Arts and Acoustics
> Columbia College Chicago
> 33 E Congress Pkwy Room 601N
> Chicago, ILLINOIS, USA 60605
> Tel: (1)312.369.8821 Fax: (1)312.369.8427
> Wikipedia: David Worrall
> Personal research/creative practice website: avatar.com.au
> President, International Community for Auditory Display icad.org
> From: Csound-developers  on behalf of Victor Lazzarini 
> Reply-To: Csound-developers 
> Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 3:08 PM
> To: "CSOUND-DEV@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE" 
> Subject: Re: [Csnd-dev] python import problem of build
> We’ll check that, bu also why don’t you try ctcsound instead of csnd6?
> Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
> Maynooth University
> Ireland
> On 23 May 2018, at 20:53, Worrall, David  wrote:
> Hello all!,
> (I’m back again, after a couple of years of admin hell,  so I’m a bit behind the csound times… :-(
> I’m about to run another python/csound workshop for ICAD, so I tried to do a bog-standard install (OSX) of the csound:
> latest dmg (6.11.0) in order to access it via the OS’s bog standard python (2.7.10)
> Result: import error
> Exception report:
> C02S424ZG8WN2:Python davidworrall$ cd ~
> C02S424ZG8WN2:~ davidworrall$ which python
> /usr/bin/python
> C02S424ZG8WN2:~ davidworrall$ python
> Python 2.7.10 (default, Oct 23 2015, 19:19:21)
> [GCC 4.2.1 Compatible Apple LLVM 7.0.0 (clang-700.0.59.5)] on darwin
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> import csnd6
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>     File "", line 1, in 
>     File "/Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/csnd6.py", line 17, in 
>       _csnd6 = swig_import_helper()
>     File "/Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/csnd6.py", line 16, in swig_import_helper
>       return importlib.import_module('_csnd6')
>     File "/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/importlib/__init__.py", line 37, in import_module
>       __import__(name)
> ImportError: dlopen(/Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/_csnd6.so, 2): Library not loaded: @rpath/libcsnd6.6.0.dylib
>     Referenced from: /Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/_csnd6.so
>     Reason: image not found
> Here’s the offending linked path:
> /Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/_csnd6.so -> /Library/Frameworks/CsoundLib64.framework/Resources/Python/Current/_csnd6.so
> C02S424ZG8WN2:Python davidworrall$ ls -l /Library/Frameworks/CsoundLib64.framework/Resources/Python/Current/
> total 4792
> -rwxrwxr-x  1 root  wheel  2132108 May 11 04:02 _csnd6.so
> -rwxrwxr-x  1 root  wheel   197302 May 11 04:02 csnd6.py
> -rwxrwxr-x  1 root  wheel   115138 May 11 04:02 ctcsound.py
> This dynlib has been installed:
> -rwxrwxr-x  1 root  wheel  453436 May 11 04:02 /Library/Frameworks/CsoundLib64.framework/Versions/6.0/libcsnd6.6.0.dylib
> I’m guessing  that, following installation, @rpath/libcsnd6.6.0.dylib
> Does not point to this. Is that analysis correct or is the likely to be something else?
> Many thanks,
> David
> PS installation of 10.6.8 works fine.
> ---
> Prof David Worrall, PhD
> Audio Arts and Acoustics
> Columbia College Chicago
> 33 E Congress Pkwy Room 601N
> Chicago, ILLINOIS, USA 60605
> Tel: (1)312.369.8821 Fax: (1)312.369.8427
> Wikipedia: David Worrall
> Personal research/creative practice website: avatar.com.au
> President, International Community for Audi