Hi All,

Would anyone mind if I merged the msys2 branch to develop?  The
changes can be viewed here:

https://github.com/csound/csound/compare/msys2

I think the changes are pretty minimal and would rather have the work
together with the rest of develop if that's okay.

Thanks!

This won't have any adverse affects on the normal 32bit build?

I don't know as I don't have any of that setup.  Could you try
checking out the msys2 branch and running a 32bit build?

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> This won't have any adverse affects on the normal 32bit build?
>
> On 11 Jan 2016 14:50, "Steven Yi"  wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Would anyone mind if I merged the msys2 branch to develop?  The
>> changes can be viewed here:
>>
>> https://github.com/csound/csound/compare/msys2
>>
>> I think the changes are pretty minimal and would rather have the work
>> together with the rest of develop if that's okay.
>>
>> Thanks!

I think the merge is a good idea. I would like to build the windows
installer for 64 bit CPU architecture.

Thanks,
Mike

-----------------------------------------------------
Michael Gogins
Irreducible Productions
http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com


On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Steven Yi  wrote:
> I don't know as I don't have any of that setup.  Could you try
> checking out the msys2 branch and running a 32bit build?
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> This won't have any adverse affects on the normal 32bit build?
>>
>> On 11 Jan 2016 14:50, "Steven Yi"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Would anyone mind if I merged the msys2 branch to develop?  The
>>> changes can be viewed here:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/csound/csound/compare/msys2
>>>
>>> I think the changes are pretty minimal and would rather have the work
>>> together with the rest of develop if that's okay.
>>>
>>> Thanks!

Just FYI, I did make changes to add additional libraries to certain
targets when on Windows.  They were mostly due to the introduction of
the static flag to statically compile in libraries. I suppose what I
don't understand is how the 32-bit build could work with that flag on
except maybe if users don't have the static versions of libraries
installed (it seems msys2's package manager will install static and
dynamic libs).

The introduction of additional libraries may affect the 32-bit build.

Now, we sort of need both 32 and 64-bit builds for Windows.  My
thought is that we switch to msys2 and use the mingw64 toolchains for
both 32-bit and 64-bit.  My guess is that if I merge the branch in
now, it could break the 32-bit build.  However, thinking about this,
I'd rather we just break things and fix it in develop now.

Rory and Michael: you okay for this path, and if so, will you help
with getting things back to building again?

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Michael Gogins
 wrote:
> I think the merge is a good idea. I would like to build the windows
> installer for 64 bit CPU architecture.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Michael Gogins
> Irreducible Productions
> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Steven Yi  wrote:
>> I don't know as I don't have any of that setup.  Could you try
>> checking out the msys2 branch and running a 32bit build?
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>> This won't have any adverse affects on the normal 32bit build?
>>>
>>> On 11 Jan 2016 14:50, "Steven Yi"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> Would anyone mind if I merged the msys2 branch to develop?  The
>>>> changes can be viewed here:
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/csound/csound/compare/msys2
>>>>
>>>> I think the changes are pretty minimal and would rather have the work
>>>> together with the rest of develop if that's okay.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!

I agree, merge it and fix it. I will help.

I am retiring this Friday. I plan to focus primarily on composition
but I will continue to maintain the Windows installer build and the
HTML features.

Best,
Mike

-----------------------------------------------------
Michael Gogins
Irreducible Productions
http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com


On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Steven Yi  wrote:
> Just FYI, I did make changes to add additional libraries to certain
> targets when on Windows.  They were mostly due to the introduction of
> the static flag to statically compile in libraries. I suppose what I
> don't understand is how the 32-bit build could work with that flag on
> except maybe if users don't have the static versions of libraries
> installed (it seems msys2's package manager will install static and
> dynamic libs).
>
> The introduction of additional libraries may affect the 32-bit build.
>
> Now, we sort of need both 32 and 64-bit builds for Windows.  My
> thought is that we switch to msys2 and use the mingw64 toolchains for
> both 32-bit and 64-bit.  My guess is that if I merge the branch in
> now, it could break the 32-bit build.  However, thinking about this,
> I'd rather we just break things and fix it in develop now.
>
> Rory and Michael: you okay for this path, and if so, will you help
> with getting things back to building again?
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Michael Gogins
>  wrote:
>> I think the merge is a good idea. I would like to build the windows
>> installer for 64 bit CPU architecture.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>> Michael Gogins
>> Irreducible Productions
>> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Steven Yi  wrote:
>>> I don't know as I don't have any of that setup.  Could you try
>>> checking out the msys2 branch and running a 32bit build?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>> This won't have any adverse affects on the normal 32bit build?
>>>>
>>>> On 11 Jan 2016 14:50, "Steven Yi"  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Would anyone mind if I merged the msys2 branch to develop?  The
>>>>> changes can be viewed here:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://github.com/csound/csound/compare/msys2
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the changes are pretty minimal and would rather have the work
>>>>> together with the rest of develop if that's okay.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!

Congratulations and happy retirement. I hope you are not retiring from Csound, though.
========================
Dr Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies and Philosophy,
Maynooth University,
Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
Tel: 00 353 7086936
Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 

> On 11 Jan 2016, at 15:48, Michael Gogins  wrote:
> 
> I agree, merge it and fix it. I will help.
> 
> I am retiring this Friday. I plan to focus primarily on composition
> but I will continue to maintain the Windows installer build and the
> HTML features.
> 
> Best,
> Mike
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Michael Gogins
> Irreducible Productions
> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Steven Yi  wrote:
>> Just FYI, I did make changes to add additional libraries to certain
>> targets when on Windows.  They were mostly due to the introduction of
>> the static flag to statically compile in libraries. I suppose what I
>> don't understand is how the 32-bit build could work with that flag on
>> except maybe if users don't have the static versions of libraries
>> installed (it seems msys2's package manager will install static and
>> dynamic libs).
>> 
>> The introduction of additional libraries may affect the 32-bit build.
>> 
>> Now, we sort of need both 32 and 64-bit builds for Windows.  My
>> thought is that we switch to msys2 and use the mingw64 toolchains for
>> both 32-bit and 64-bit.  My guess is that if I merge the branch in
>> now, it could break the 32-bit build.  However, thinking about this,
>> I'd rather we just break things and fix it in develop now.
>> 
>> Rory and Michael: you okay for this path, and if so, will you help
>> with getting things back to building again?
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Michael Gogins
>>  wrote:
>>> I think the merge is a good idea. I would like to build the windows
>>> installer for 64 bit CPU architecture.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>> Michael Gogins
>>> Irreducible Productions
>>> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
>>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Steven Yi  wrote:
>>>> I don't know as I don't have any of that setup.  Could you try
>>>> checking out the msys2 branch and running a 32bit build?
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>>> This won't have any adverse affects on the normal 32bit build?
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 11 Jan 2016 14:50, "Steven Yi"  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Would anyone mind if I merged the msys2 branch to develop?  The
>>>>>> changes can be viewed here:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://github.com/csound/csound/compare/msys2
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think the changes are pretty minimal and would rather have the work
>>>>>> together with the rest of develop if that's okay.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks!

Thanks Michael, I've merged and pushed the changes.  Guess we'll have
to work through the changes now.  Also FYI, I've largely been keeping
tabs of what I've been doing in the mingw64/README.md for what
packages I've installed.  I got stuck on Fluidsynth and so I disabled
it in the mingw64/build.sh file.  I'm not sure what else isn't
building at the moment.

Otherwise, congratulations on retiring and best wishes for happy composing!

steven

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Michael Gogins
 wrote:
> I agree, merge it and fix it. I will help.
>
> I am retiring this Friday. I plan to focus primarily on composition
> but I will continue to maintain the Windows installer build and the
> HTML features.
>
> Best,
> Mike
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Michael Gogins
> Irreducible Productions
> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Steven Yi  wrote:
>> Just FYI, I did make changes to add additional libraries to certain
>> targets when on Windows.  They were mostly due to the introduction of
>> the static flag to statically compile in libraries. I suppose what I
>> don't understand is how the 32-bit build could work with that flag on
>> except maybe if users don't have the static versions of libraries
>> installed (it seems msys2's package manager will install static and
>> dynamic libs).
>>
>> The introduction of additional libraries may affect the 32-bit build.
>>
>> Now, we sort of need both 32 and 64-bit builds for Windows.  My
>> thought is that we switch to msys2 and use the mingw64 toolchains for
>> both 32-bit and 64-bit.  My guess is that if I merge the branch in
>> now, it could break the 32-bit build.  However, thinking about this,
>> I'd rather we just break things and fix it in develop now.
>>
>> Rory and Michael: you okay for this path, and if so, will you help
>> with getting things back to building again?
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Michael Gogins
>>  wrote:
>>> I think the merge is a good idea. I would like to build the windows
>>> installer for 64 bit CPU architecture.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>> Michael Gogins
>>> Irreducible Productions
>>> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
>>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Steven Yi  wrote:
>>>> I don't know as I don't have any of that setup.  Could you try
>>>> checking out the msys2 branch and running a 32bit build?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>>> This won't have any adverse affects on the normal 32bit build?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11 Jan 2016 14:50, "Steven Yi"  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would anyone mind if I merged the msys2 branch to develop?  The
>>>>>> changes can be viewed here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://github.com/csound/csound/compare/msys2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the changes are pretty minimal and would rather have the work
>>>>>> together with the rest of develop if that's okay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!

I'm not quitting Csound in the least. I do want to focus on composing,
but there's no point in my learning to compose in any other way at
this point in my life, especially considering how Csound has grown.

I will continue to maintain the Windows installer and the HTML
features. Anything that I invent to help me compose I will make
publicly available, either in my own repository, or, if it looks like
a good fit, in Csound itself.

Thanks,
Mike

-----------------------------------------------------
Michael Gogins
Irreducible Productions
http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com


On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Steven Yi  wrote:
> Thanks Michael, I've merged and pushed the changes.  Guess we'll have
> to work through the changes now.  Also FYI, I've largely been keeping
> tabs of what I've been doing in the mingw64/README.md for what
> packages I've installed.  I got stuck on Fluidsynth and so I disabled
> it in the mingw64/build.sh file.  I'm not sure what else isn't
> building at the moment.
>
> Otherwise, congratulations on retiring and best wishes for happy composing!
>
> steven
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Michael Gogins
>  wrote:
>> I agree, merge it and fix it. I will help.
>>
>> I am retiring this Friday. I plan to focus primarily on composition
>> but I will continue to maintain the Windows installer build and the
>> HTML features.
>>
>> Best,
>> Mike
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>> Michael Gogins
>> Irreducible Productions
>> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Steven Yi  wrote:
>>> Just FYI, I did make changes to add additional libraries to certain
>>> targets when on Windows.  They were mostly due to the introduction of
>>> the static flag to statically compile in libraries. I suppose what I
>>> don't understand is how the 32-bit build could work with that flag on
>>> except maybe if users don't have the static versions of libraries
>>> installed (it seems msys2's package manager will install static and
>>> dynamic libs).
>>>
>>> The introduction of additional libraries may affect the 32-bit build.
>>>
>>> Now, we sort of need both 32 and 64-bit builds for Windows.  My
>>> thought is that we switch to msys2 and use the mingw64 toolchains for
>>> both 32-bit and 64-bit.  My guess is that if I merge the branch in
>>> now, it could break the 32-bit build.  However, thinking about this,
>>> I'd rather we just break things and fix it in develop now.
>>>
>>> Rory and Michael: you okay for this path, and if so, will you help
>>> with getting things back to building again?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Michael Gogins
>>>  wrote:
>>>> I think the merge is a good idea. I would like to build the windows
>>>> installer for 64 bit CPU architecture.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>>> Michael Gogins
>>>> Irreducible Productions
>>>> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
>>>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Steven Yi  wrote:
>>>>> I don't know as I don't have any of that setup.  Could you try
>>>>> checking out the msys2 branch and running a 32bit build?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>>>> This won't have any adverse affects on the normal 32bit build?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11 Jan 2016 14:50, "Steven Yi"  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would anyone mind if I merged the msys2 branch to develop?  The
>>>>>>> changes can be viewed here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://github.com/csound/csound/compare/msys2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the changes are pretty minimal and would rather have the work
>>>>>>> together with the rest of develop if that's okay.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!

Congratulations Mike! I'll try building with this new config in a week or two when things settle down at work. I'm glad for the windows build to move in this direction.

no that's not possible.  earliest possible csound retirement age has 
been set to 75 in general, but to 80 for michael (because of his 
successful fights with windows).
congrats, mike!
	joachim


On 11/01/16 16:52, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
> Congratulations and happy retirement. I hope you are not retiring from Csound, though.
> ========================
> Dr Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies and Philosophy,
> Maynooth University,
> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
> Tel: 00 353 7086936
> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>
>> On 11 Jan 2016, at 15:48, Michael Gogins  wrote:
>>
>> I agree, merge it and fix it. I will help.
>>
>> I am retiring this Friday. I plan to focus primarily on composition
>> but I will continue to maintain the Windows installer build and the
>> HTML features.
>>
>> Best,
>> Mike
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>> Michael Gogins
>> Irreducible Productions
>> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Steven Yi  wrote:
>>> Just FYI, I did make changes to add additional libraries to certain
>>> targets when on Windows.  They were mostly due to the introduction of
>>> the static flag to statically compile in libraries. I suppose what I
>>> don't understand is how the 32-bit build could work with that flag on
>>> except maybe if users don't have the static versions of libraries
>>> installed (it seems msys2's package manager will install static and
>>> dynamic libs).
>>>
>>> The introduction of additional libraries may affect the 32-bit build.
>>>
>>> Now, we sort of need both 32 and 64-bit builds for Windows.  My
>>> thought is that we switch to msys2 and use the mingw64 toolchains for
>>> both 32-bit and 64-bit.  My guess is that if I merge the branch in
>>> now, it could break the 32-bit build.  However, thinking about this,
>>> I'd rather we just break things and fix it in develop now.
>>>
>>> Rory and Michael: you okay for this path, and if so, will you help
>>> with getting things back to building again?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Michael Gogins
>>>  wrote:
>>>> I think the merge is a good idea. I would like to build the windows
>>>> installer for 64 bit CPU architecture.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>>> Michael Gogins
>>>> Irreducible Productions
>>>> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
>>>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Steven Yi  wrote:
>>>>> I don't know as I don't have any of that setup.  Could you try
>>>>> checking out the msys2 branch and running a 32bit build?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>>>> This won't have any adverse affects on the normal 32bit build?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11 Jan 2016 14:50, "Steven Yi"  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would anyone mind if I merged the msys2 branch to develop?  The
>>>>>>> changes can be viewed here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://github.com/csound/csound/compare/msys2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the changes are pretty minimal and would rather have the work
>>>>>>> together with the rest of develop if that's okay.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>> steven