The latest win installer seems not to set up the csnd module correctly.
I get
import csnd
ImportError: No module named csnd

when running one of my py scripts.

The installer is Csound5.13.1-gnu-win32-d recently fetched from sourceforge
I have Python 2.7 and windows 7 on this computer, installed everything
from scratch now as the machine is new.


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I will check this here and let you know what I get.

Regards,
Mike

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
 wrote:
> The latest win installer seems not to set up the csnd module correctly.
> I get
> import csnd
> ImportError: No module named csnd
>
> when running one of my py scripts.
>
> The installer is Csound5.13.1-gnu-win32-d recently fetched from sourceforge
> I have Python 2.7 and windows 7 on this computer, installed everything
> from scratch now as the machine is new.
>
>
> best
> Oeyvind
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It works for me.

I uninstalled Csound at work, verified the directory was empty,
downloaded the installer, installed Csound, opened a Windows console,
changed to the Csound directory, imported csnd, and ran help(csnd).

Possible problems:

-- Are you using 32 bit Python, which csnd needs?

-- Has your Windows PATH or PYTHONPATH environment variable gotten
messed up somehow?

Hope this helps,
Mike

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Michael Gogins
 wrote:
> I will check this here and let you know what I get.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>  wrote:
>> The latest win installer seems not to set up the csnd module correctly.
>> I get
>> import csnd
>> ImportError: No module named csnd
>>
>> when running one of my py scripts.
>>
>> The installer is Csound5.13.1-gnu-win32-d recently fetched from sourceforge
>> I have Python 2.7 and windows 7 on this computer, installed everything
>> from scratch now as the machine is new.
>>
>>
>> best
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Hm,
I will check the Pythonpath again when I get back to that machine tomorrow,
but I'm sure I use 32bit Python (on 64bit win7) as one of the other
Python packages (scons IIRC) explicitly did not support 64bit Python.
I quite sure I checked for csnd.dll and friends in Csound/bin.

I also tried to copy in my old version of Csound from another machine,
and got an error of incompatible Python version (2.6 on the old
machine),
which suggests that Pythonpath should be good I think.

best
Oeyvind

2011/2/25 Michael Gogins :
> It works for me.
>
> I uninstalled Csound at work, verified the directory was empty,
> downloaded the installer, installed Csound, opened a Windows console,
> changed to the Csound directory, imported csnd, and ran help(csnd).
>
> Possible problems:
>
> -- Are you using 32 bit Python, which csnd needs?
>
> -- Has your Windows PATH or PYTHONPATH environment variable gotten
> messed up somehow?
>
> Hope this helps,
> Mike
>
> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Michael Gogins
>  wrote:
>> I will check this here and let you know what I get.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>>  wrote:
>>> The latest win installer seems not to set up the csnd module correctly.
>>> I get
>>> import csnd
>>> ImportError: No module named csnd
>>>
>>> when running one of my py scripts.
>>>
>>> The installer is Csound5.13.1-gnu-win32-d recently fetched from sourceforge
>>> I have Python 2.7 and windows 7 on this computer, installed everything
>>> from scratch now as the machine is new.
>>>
>>>
>>> best
>>> Oeyvind
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I did some more checking and found that csnd.py was missing.
I then reinstalled, going through the options of the installer more
carefully, and discovered that Python interfaces was unchecked by
default.
So, my mistake,
but is there as specific reason why most other interfaces are checked
by default and Python is unchecked? I guess more people than me might
be caught by this, expecting the python interfaces to be installed by
default.

Oeyvind


2011/2/27 Oeyvind Brandtsegg :
> Hm,
> I will check the Pythonpath again when I get back to that machine tomorrow,
> but I'm sure I use 32bit Python (on 64bit win7) as one of the other
> Python packages (scons IIRC) explicitly did not support 64bit Python.
> I quite sure I checked for csnd.dll and friends in Csound/bin.
>
> I also tried to copy in my old version of Csound from another machine,
> and got an error of incompatible Python version (2.6 on the old
> machine),
> which suggests that Pythonpath should be good I think.
>
> best
> Oeyvind
>
> 2011/2/25 Michael Gogins :
>> It works for me.
>>
>> I uninstalled Csound at work, verified the directory was empty,
>> downloaded the installer, installed Csound, opened a Windows console,
>> changed to the Csound directory, imported csnd, and ran help(csnd).
>>
>> Possible problems:
>>
>> -- Are you using 32 bit Python, which csnd needs?
>>
>> -- Has your Windows PATH or PYTHONPATH environment variable gotten
>> messed up somehow?
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> Mike
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Michael Gogins
>>  wrote:
>>> I will check this here and let you know what I get.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>>>  wrote:
>>>> The latest win installer seems not to set up the csnd module correctly.
>>>> I get
>>>> import csnd
>>>> ImportError: No module named csnd
>>>>
>>>> when running one of my py scripts.
>>>>
>>>> The installer is Csound5.13.1-gnu-win32-d recently fetched from sourceforge
>>>> I have Python 2.7 and windows 7 on this computer, installed everything
>>>> from scratch now as the machine is new.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> best
>>>> Oeyvind
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Richard Boulanger and others complained repeatedly that Python
interfaces were being installed by default (which used to be the
case). Presumably they or their students did not have Python installed
before installing Csound, and did not care to install Python in order
to install Csound.

Regards,
Mike

On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 4:16 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
 wrote:
> I did some more checking and found that csnd.py was missing.
> I then reinstalled, going through the options of the installer more
> carefully, and discovered that Python interfaces was unchecked by
> default.
> So, my mistake,
> but is there as specific reason why most other interfaces are checked
> by default and Python is unchecked? I guess more people than me might
> be caught by this, expecting the python interfaces to be installed by
> default.
>
> Oeyvind
>
>
> 2011/2/27 Oeyvind Brandtsegg :
>> Hm,
>> I will check the Pythonpath again when I get back to that machine tomorrow,
>> but I'm sure I use 32bit Python (on 64bit win7) as one of the other
>> Python packages (scons IIRC) explicitly did not support 64bit Python.
>> I quite sure I checked for csnd.dll and friends in Csound/bin.
>>
>> I also tried to copy in my old version of Csound from another machine,
>> and got an error of incompatible Python version (2.6 on the old
>> machine),
>> which suggests that Pythonpath should be good I think.
>>
>> best
>> Oeyvind
>>
>> 2011/2/25 Michael Gogins :
>>> It works for me.
>>>
>>> I uninstalled Csound at work, verified the directory was empty,
>>> downloaded the installer, installed Csound, opened a Windows console,
>>> changed to the Csound directory, imported csnd, and ran help(csnd).
>>>
>>> Possible problems:
>>>
>>> -- Are you using 32 bit Python, which csnd needs?
>>>
>>> -- Has your Windows PATH or PYTHONPATH environment variable gotten
>>> messed up somehow?
>>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Michael Gogins
>>>  wrote:
>>>> I will check this here and let you know what I get.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> The latest win installer seems not to set up the csnd module correctly.
>>>>> I get
>>>>> import csnd
>>>>> ImportError: No module named csnd
>>>>>
>>>>> when running one of my py scripts.
>>>>>
>>>>> The installer is Csound5.13.1-gnu-win32-d recently fetched from sourceforge
>>>>> I have Python 2.7 and windows 7 on this computer, installed everything
>>>>> from scratch now as the machine is new.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> best
>>>>> Oeyvind
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I am not sure that I was complaining about this?  If so... It might have been indirectly related.

In fact, I am very interested in the Python connection to Csound (via OLPC of course) and am a huge huge fan of Olivier Bélanger's OUNK.

Dr.B.

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On Feb 28, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Michael Gogins  wrote:

> Richard Boulanger and others complained repeatedly that Python
> interfaces were being installed by default (which used to be the
> case). Presumably they or their students did not have Python installed
> before installing Csound, and did not care to install Python in order
> to install Csound.
> 
> Regards,
> Mike
> 
> On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 4:16 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>  wrote:
>> I did some more checking and found that csnd.py was missing.
>> I then reinstalled, going through the options of the installer more
>> carefully, and discovered that Python interfaces was unchecked by
>> default.
>> So, my mistake,
>> but is there as specific reason why most other interfaces are checked
>> by default and Python is unchecked? I guess more people than me might
>> be caught by this, expecting the python interfaces to be installed by
>> default.
>> 
>> Oeyvind
>> 
>> 
>> 2011/2/27 Oeyvind Brandtsegg :
>>> Hm,
>>> I will check the Pythonpath again when I get back to that machine tomorrow,
>>> but I'm sure I use 32bit Python (on 64bit win7) as one of the other
>>> Python packages (scons IIRC) explicitly did not support 64bit Python.
>>> I quite sure I checked for csnd.dll and friends in Csound/bin.
>>> 
>>> I also tried to copy in my old version of Csound from another machine,
>>> and got an error of incompatible Python version (2.6 on the old
>>> machine),
>>> which suggests that Pythonpath should be good I think.
>>> 
>>> best
>>> Oeyvind
>>> 
>>> 2011/2/25 Michael Gogins :
>>>> It works for me.
>>>> 
>>>> I uninstalled Csound at work, verified the directory was empty,
>>>> downloaded the installer, installed Csound, opened a Windows console,
>>>> changed to the Csound directory, imported csnd, and ran help(csnd).
>>>> 
>>>> Possible problems:
>>>> 
>>>> -- Are you using 32 bit Python, which csnd needs?
>>>> 
>>>> -- Has your Windows PATH or PYTHONPATH environment variable gotten
>>>> messed up somehow?
>>>> 
>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>> Mike
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Michael Gogins
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> I will check this here and let you know what I get.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> The latest win installer seems not to set up the csnd module correctly.
>>>>>> I get
>>>>>> import csnd
>>>>>> ImportError: No module named csnd
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> when running one of my py scripts.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The installer is Csound5.13.1-gnu-win32-d recently fetched from sourceforge
>>>>>> I have Python 2.7 and windows 7 on this computer, installed everything
>>>>>> from scratch now as the machine is new.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> best
>>>>>> Oeyvind
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CsoundAC and you tutorial on it are also fantastic and incredibly important.  Looking forward to the new Python connections promised in the upcoming QuteCsound too.

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On Feb 28, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Michael Gogins  wrote:

> Richard Boulanger and others complained repeatedly that Python
> interfaces were being installed by default (which used to be the
> case). Presumably they or their students did not have Python installed
> before installing Csound, and did not care to install Python in order
> to install Csound.
> 
> Regards,
> Mike
> 
> On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 4:16 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>  wrote:
>> I did some more checking and found that csnd.py was missing.
>> I then reinstalled, going through the options of the installer more
>> carefully, and discovered that Python interfaces was unchecked by
>> default.
>> So, my mistake,
>> but is there as specific reason why most other interfaces are checked
>> by default and Python is unchecked? I guess more people than me might
>> be caught by this, expecting the python interfaces to be installed by
>> default.
>> 
>> Oeyvind
>> 
>> 
>> 2011/2/27 Oeyvind Brandtsegg :
>>> Hm,
>>> I will check the Pythonpath again when I get back to that machine tomorrow,
>>> but I'm sure I use 32bit Python (on 64bit win7) as one of the other
>>> Python packages (scons IIRC) explicitly did not support 64bit Python.
>>> I quite sure I checked for csnd.dll and friends in Csound/bin.
>>> 
>>> I also tried to copy in my old version of Csound from another machine,
>>> and got an error of incompatible Python version (2.6 on the old
>>> machine),
>>> which suggests that Pythonpath should be good I think.
>>> 
>>> best
>>> Oeyvind
>>> 
>>> 2011/2/25 Michael Gogins :
>>>> It works for me.
>>>> 
>>>> I uninstalled Csound at work, verified the directory was empty,
>>>> downloaded the installer, installed Csound, opened a Windows console,
>>>> changed to the Csound directory, imported csnd, and ran help(csnd).
>>>> 
>>>> Possible problems:
>>>> 
>>>> -- Are you using 32 bit Python, which csnd needs?
>>>> 
>>>> -- Has your Windows PATH or PYTHONPATH environment variable gotten
>>>> messed up somehow?
>>>> 
>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>> Mike
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Michael Gogins
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> I will check this here and let you know what I get.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> The latest win installer seems not to set up the csnd module correctly.
>>>>>> I get
>>>>>> import csnd
>>>>>> ImportError: No module named csnd
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> when running one of my py scripts.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The installer is Csound5.13.1-gnu-win32-d recently fetched from sourceforge
>>>>>> I have Python 2.7 and windows 7 on this computer, installed everything
>>>>>> from scratch now as the machine is new.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> best
>>>>>> Oeyvind
>>>>>> 
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"Complaint" is not a bad word. You did complain about it, so I fixed
it. My philosophy was, all bells and whistles should be the default.
Now, I realize that this doesn't necessarily suit all beginners and
students.

Regards,
Mike

On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Dr. Richard Boulanger
 wrote:
> CsoundAC and you tutorial on it are also fantastic and incredibly important.  Looking forward to the new Python connections promised in the upcoming QuteCsound too.
>
> Sent from my iPad.
>
> On Feb 28, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Michael Gogins  wrote:
>
>> Richard Boulanger and others complained repeatedly that Python
>> interfaces were being installed by default (which used to be the
>> case). Presumably they or their students did not have Python installed
>> before installing Csound, and did not care to install Python in order
>> to install Csound.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 4:16 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>>  wrote:
>>> I did some more checking and found that csnd.py was missing.
>>> I then reinstalled, going through the options of the installer more
>>> carefully, and discovered that Python interfaces was unchecked by
>>> default.
>>> So, my mistake,
>>> but is there as specific reason why most other interfaces are checked
>>> by default and Python is unchecked? I guess more people than me might
>>> be caught by this, expecting the python interfaces to be installed by
>>> default.
>>>
>>> Oeyvind
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/2/27 Oeyvind Brandtsegg :
>>>> Hm,
>>>> I will check the Pythonpath again when I get back to that machine tomorrow,
>>>> but I'm sure I use 32bit Python (on 64bit win7) as one of the other
>>>> Python packages (scons IIRC) explicitly did not support 64bit Python.
>>>> I quite sure I checked for csnd.dll and friends in Csound/bin.
>>>>
>>>> I also tried to copy in my old version of Csound from another machine,
>>>> and got an error of incompatible Python version (2.6 on the old
>>>> machine),
>>>> which suggests that Pythonpath should be good I think.
>>>>
>>>> best
>>>> Oeyvind
>>>>
>>>> 2011/2/25 Michael Gogins :
>>>>> It works for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> I uninstalled Csound at work, verified the directory was empty,
>>>>> downloaded the installer, installed Csound, opened a Windows console,
>>>>> changed to the Csound directory, imported csnd, and ran help(csnd).
>>>>>
>>>>> Possible problems:
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Are you using 32 bit Python, which csnd needs?
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Has your Windows PATH or PYTHONPATH environment variable gotten
>>>>> messed up somehow?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Michael Gogins
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> I will check this here and let you know what I get.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> The latest win installer seems not to set up the csnd module correctly.
>>>>>>> I get
>>>>>>> import csnd
>>>>>>> ImportError: No module named csnd
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> when running one of my py scripts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The installer is Csound5.13.1-gnu-win32-d recently fetched from sourceforge
>>>>>>> I have Python 2.7 and windows 7 on this computer, installed everything
>>>>>>> from scratch now as the machine is new.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>> Oeyvind
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Hi,

This makes me realize it might be good to install the python interface
by default, but not the python opcodes, as those can be a nuisance and
a source of questions and frustration for users.

I hope to have a preview of the python interface to QuteCsound
sometime soon as an alpha release, but things have kept me too busy...

Cheers,
Andres

On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Michael Gogins
 wrote:
> "Complaint" is not a bad word. You did complain about it, so I fixed
> it. My philosophy was, all bells and whistles should be the default.
> Now, I realize that this doesn't necessarily suit all beginners and
> students.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Dr. Richard Boulanger
>  wrote:
>> CsoundAC and you tutorial on it are also fantastic and incredibly important.  Looking forward to the new Python connections promised in the upcoming QuteCsound too.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad.
>>
>> On Feb 28, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Michael Gogins  wrote:
>>
>>> Richard Boulanger and others complained repeatedly that Python
>>> interfaces were being installed by default (which used to be the
>>> case). Presumably they or their students did not have Python installed
>>> before installing Csound, and did not care to install Python in order
>>> to install Csound.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 4:16 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>>>  wrote:
>>>> I did some more checking and found that csnd.py was missing.
>>>> I then reinstalled, going through the options of the installer more
>>>> carefully, and discovered that Python interfaces was unchecked by
>>>> default.
>>>> So, my mistake,
>>>> but is there as specific reason why most other interfaces are checked
>>>> by default and Python is unchecked? I guess more people than me might
>>>> be caught by this, expecting the python interfaces to be installed by
>>>> default.
>>>>
>>>> Oeyvind
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2011/2/27 Oeyvind Brandtsegg :
>>>>> Hm,
>>>>> I will check the Pythonpath again when I get back to that machine tomorrow,
>>>>> but I'm sure I use 32bit Python (on 64bit win7) as one of the other
>>>>> Python packages (scons IIRC) explicitly did not support 64bit Python.
>>>>> I quite sure I checked for csnd.dll and friends in Csound/bin.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also tried to copy in my old version of Csound from another machine,
>>>>> and got an error of incompatible Python version (2.6 on the old
>>>>> machine),
>>>>> which suggests that Pythonpath should be good I think.
>>>>>
>>>>> best
>>>>> Oeyvind
>>>>>
>>>>> 2011/2/25 Michael Gogins :
>>>>>> It works for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I uninstalled Csound at work, verified the directory was empty,
>>>>>> downloaded the installer, installed Csound, opened a Windows console,
>>>>>> changed to the Csound directory, imported csnd, and ran help(csnd).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Possible problems:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Are you using 32 bit Python, which csnd needs?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Has your Windows PATH or PYTHONPATH environment variable gotten
>>>>>> messed up somehow?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Michael Gogins
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> I will check this here and let you know what I get.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> The latest win installer seems not to set up the csnd module correctly.
>>>>>>>> I get
>>>>>>>> import csnd
>>>>>>>> ImportError: No module named csnd
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> when running one of my py scripts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The installer is Csound5.13.1-gnu-win32-d recently fetched from sourceforge
>>>>>>>> I have Python 2.7 and windows 7 on this computer, installed everything
>>>>>>>> from scratch now as the machine is new.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>> Oeyvind
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>>>>>>
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h

Please do not take offense,
and it's clear that we might all have different expectations of whats
the most useful setup.
My concern is mainly that I expected a component to be installed and
the installer gave me no indication that it was not installed.
The checkbox was hidden in a collabsible menu, so I did not see it.
Maybe the toplevel branch should be "grayed out" (or otherwise marked)
to indicate that not all components in the tree is selected for
installation.
Also the file csnd.dll was in place, so I thought the python interface
was all there, until I looked for the other csnd files.

The good thing about airing these concerns on the list is to find a
solution that will appear as "natural" to as many as possible.

all best
Oeyvind

2011/2/28 Michael Gogins :
> Richard Boulanger and others complained repeatedly that Python
> interfaces were being installed by default (which used to be the
> case). Presumably they or their students did not have Python installed
> before installing Csound, and did not care to install Python in order
> to install Csound.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 4:16 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>  wrote:
>> I did some more checking and found that csnd.py was missing.
>> I then reinstalled, going through the options of the installer more
>> carefully, and discovered that Python interfaces was unchecked by
>> default.
>> So, my mistake,
>> but is there as specific reason why most other interfaces are checked
>> by default and Python is unchecked? I guess more people than me might
>> be caught by this, expecting the python interfaces to be installed by
>> default.
>>
>> Oeyvind
>>
>>
>> 2011/2/27 Oeyvind Brandtsegg :
>>> Hm,
>>> I will check the Pythonpath again when I get back to that machine tomorrow,
>>> but I'm sure I use 32bit Python (on 64bit win7) as one of the other
>>> Python packages (scons IIRC) explicitly did not support 64bit Python.
>>> I quite sure I checked for csnd.dll and friends in Csound/bin.
>>>
>>> I also tried to copy in my old version of Csound from another machine,
>>> and got an error of incompatible Python version (2.6 on the old
>>> machine),
>>> which suggests that Pythonpath should be good I think.
>>>
>>> best
>>> Oeyvind
>>>
>>> 2011/2/25 Michael Gogins :
>>>> It works for me.
>>>>
>>>> I uninstalled Csound at work, verified the directory was empty,
>>>> downloaded the installer, installed Csound, opened a Windows console,
>>>> changed to the Csound directory, imported csnd, and ran help(csnd).
>>>>
>>>> Possible problems:
>>>>
>>>> -- Are you using 32 bit Python, which csnd needs?
>>>>
>>>> -- Has your Windows PATH or PYTHONPATH environment variable gotten
>>>> messed up somehow?
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Michael Gogins
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> I will check this here and let you know what I get.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> The latest win installer seems not to set up the csnd module correctly.
>>>>>> I get
>>>>>> import csnd
>>>>>> ImportError: No module named csnd
>>>>>>
>>>>>> when running one of my py scripts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The installer is Csound5.13.1-gnu-win32-d recently fetched from sourceforge
>>>>>> I have Python 2.7 and windows 7 on this computer, installed everything
>>>>>> from scratch now as the machine is new.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> best
>>>>>> Oeyvind
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