Hello gentlemen,

The purpose of this email is to humbly ask suggestions / requests et al 
for how the pending release of Csound5 should appear on cSounds.com.

As you can probably see, the current status of cSounds.com attempts to 
gear users at Csound 4, as it is the "current official release". Since 
this will be exponentially less the case up until release, my question 
is how and in what ways should Csound5 for all platforms be presented 
at cSounds.com ?

I am aware of Victor's installer for Mac OS X, Michael's Installer for 
Windows / Istvan's .zip archives, and John ffitch's Linux installer + 
Istvan's architecture specific gzipped tarballs.

If Anthony could email the list or get at me privately concerning the 
status of OS 9 I would really appreciate it as it is because of him 
that I was able to get a small network of legacy Macintosh computers to 
enjoy the fruits of Csound5. I hope this joy can be afforded to others 
through cSounds.com.

--> General Questions:

1) What files should be downloaded and mirrored / hosted on cSounds.com 
in addition to SourceForge ? I would like this type of redundancy in 
case either cSounds.com or SourceForge is temporarily unavailable for 
whatever reason, in which case users can go to whichever available 
resource is accessible.

2) What things about Csound5 do you, as developers feel is significant 
to the Csound community at large pending the release of version 5 ? 
What information should they be receiving that you feel is important ?

3) What frontends / extra tools are people using with the advent of 
Csound5 ? Surely there are many more university projects in the same 
vein as Cabel that would be extremely useful for end users. Any 
undergraduate / graduate students doing Csound related work can also be 
highlighted - in fact Dr. B has discussed the idea of having a 
"Csounder of the Week/Month" what do you guys think about this feature 
? In order to implement it correctly we would need but not limited to:

	* Picture
	* Bio
	* Short piece audio / .csd file
	* Commentary / link to aux site

4) The Csound People page is woefully out of date. I would appreciate 
users reporting any broken links they find as well as any additions 
they feel should be there to this list or the general Csound list. This 
page is in dire need of revision.

5) Any other information you think others should know ! Also comments 
are **ALWAYS** welcome and appreciated concerning the INTERFACE of the 
website and the accessibility of all your hard work. Suggestions on a 
preferred resolution ? Right now it is optimized to >= 800x600 pixels 
although I can see it causes some minor problems on browsers rendering 
at 640x480. Although I am very much interested in compatibility with 
coarse resolution, what is a good maximum to shoot for ?


Csound is the ultimate realization of computer music software because 
of the talent and hard work of developers such as yourselves. The 
community benefits greatly from all of your contributions; you should 
be proud. Please help me to spread the work you have worked so hard and 
for so long on. It will undoubtedly bring joy to many people - I will 
personally try my best to make sure it does so to as many people as 
possible.

TIA,
-David



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I agree with Steven, Csound5 should be available only through sourceforge,
so there is some control over the versioning. A bit too late to do the same
for Csound4, but if that is not the current version anymore, it might not 
matter.

Victor

At 00:42 01/02/2006, you wrote:
>Hi David,
>
>Just a short reply for the moment, but I think that mirroring on
>Csounds.com isn't the greatest idea.  It increases bandwidth for
>Csounds.com and it also increases the number of places to get csound,
>which in this case I don't think is good.  If everything is at
>SourceForge for downloads, it helps to control the versioning.
>Sourceforge also replicates downloads across many different servers in
>different countries; this only helps to serve the end user as they can
>get a faster download from a server closer to their location.  What we
>don't necessarily need is "I download version x released on date y
>from place z" and someone here having to say "download version q from
>sourceforge instead because it's already fixed and placed there".
>
>Otherwise, regarding Csounds.com, some things from the top of my head:
>
>-I don't like how the PC/Mac/Linux sections are separated out with so
>many places to download from; it shouldn't be necessary anymore since
>all of it will now come from SourceForge.  I think if that area is
>replaced with a "Download Csound" section, with one link to the
>Sourceforge project page for csound, and perhaps some helpful
>instructions on what to download from the repository page would do.
>
>-I think the webpage would service the community a better if it was a
>little simpler in design; perhaps a side column for a download Csound
>box, the audio player as a box, and a donation section as a box would
>be clearer and thus more effective.
>
>-designing for 800x600 is pretty much the standard for web sites
>
>-some info on what is csound might be nice on the homepage
>
>I've recently found http://www.djangoproject.com/ to be a nice website
>that perhaps may demonstrate some good design ideas in terms of
>hilighting relevant elements.
>
>steven
>
>On 1/31/06, David Akbari  wrote:
> > Hello gentlemen,
> >
> > The purpose of this email is to humbly ask suggestions / requests et al
> > for how the pending release of Csound5 should appear on cSounds.com.
> >
> > As you can probably see, the current status of cSounds.com attempts to
> > gear users at Csound 4, as it is the "current official release". Since
> > this will be exponentially less the case up until release, my question
> > is how and in what ways should Csound5 for all platforms be presented
> > at cSounds.com ?
> >
> > I am aware of Victor's installer for Mac OS X, Michael's Installer for
> > Windows / Istvan's .zip archives, and John ffitch's Linux installer +
> > Istvan's architecture specific gzipped tarballs.
> >
> > If Anthony could email the list or get at me privately concerning the
> > status of OS 9 I would really appreciate it as it is because of him
> > that I was able to get a small network of legacy Macintosh computers to
> > enjoy the fruits of Csound5. I hope this joy can be afforded to others
> > through cSounds.com.
> >
> > --> General Questions:
> >
> > 1) What files should be downloaded and mirrored / hosted on cSounds.com
> > in addition to SourceForge ? I would like this type of redundancy in
> > case either cSounds.com or SourceForge is temporarily unavailable for
> > whatever reason, in which case users can go to whichever available
> > resource is accessible.
> >
> > 2) What things about Csound5 do you, as developers feel is significant
> > to the Csound community at large pending the release of version 5 ?
> > What information should they be receiving that you feel is important ?
> >
> > 3) What frontends / extra tools are people using with the advent of
> > Csound5 ? Surely there are many more university projects in the same
> > vein as Cabel that would be extremely useful for end users. Any
> > undergraduate / graduate students doing Csound related work can also be
> > highlighted - in fact Dr. B has discussed the idea of having a
> > "Csounder of the Week/Month" what do you guys think about this feature
> > ? In order to implement it correctly we would need but not limited to:
> >
> >         * Picture
> >         * Bio
> >         * Short piece audio / .csd file
> >         * Commentary / link to aux site
> >
> > 4) The Csound People page is woefully out of date. I would appreciate
> > users reporting any broken links they find as well as any additions
> > they feel should be there to this list or the general Csound list. This
> > page is in dire need of revision.
> >
> > 5) Any other information you think others should know ! Also comments
> > are **ALWAYS** welcome and appreciated concerning the INTERFACE of the
> > website and the accessibility of all your hard work. Suggestions on a
> > preferred resolution ? Right now it is optimized to >= 800x600 pixels
> > although I can see it causes some minor problems on browsers rendering
> > at 640x480. Although I am very much interested in compatibility with
> > coarse resolution, what is a good maximum to shoot for ?
> >
> >
> > Csound is the ultimate realization of computer music software because
> > of the talent and hard work of developers such as yourselves. The
> > community benefits greatly from all of your contributions; you should
> > be proud. Please help me to spread the work you have worked so hard and
> > for so long on. It will undoubtedly bring joy to many people - I will
> > personally try my best to make sure it does so to as many people as
> > possible.
> >
> > TIA,
> > -David
> >
> >
> >
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