Incompatible is such a strong word! While I look forward to perhaps
someday using your new synthesis toolkit (Tsound!?!), I hope you can
continue working on Csound. Your contribution over the past few months
has been immense and thoroughly appreciated.

Rory.


On 1 June 2012 12:19, Tito Latini  wrote:
> I have noticed that my ideas and way to work with the sounds is
> incompatible with the most of the csounders, therefore yesterday I
> have begun to write a new tool to synthesize sounds, initially without
> to think about the users. The (little) time is the only obstacle.
>
> Regardless, I'll continue to help here when it will be fun because
> there are smart people and good musicians in this community.
>
> tito
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In what way incompatible? Is it personal incompatibility or musical
incompatibility? If musical, what would you like to see change in
Csound? Csound is after all intended to be nothing more nor less than
a musical instrument, and it exists to serve music and musicians.

Regards,
Mike

On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> Incompatible is such a strong word! While I look forward to perhaps
> someday using your new synthesis toolkit (Tsound!?!), I hope you can
> continue working on Csound. Your contribution over the past few months
> has been immense and thoroughly appreciated.
>
> Rory.
>
>
> On 1 June 2012 12:19, Tito Latini  wrote:
>> I have noticed that my ideas and way to work with the sounds is
>> incompatible with the most of the csounders, therefore yesterday I
>> have begun to write a new tool to synthesize sounds, initially without
>> to think about the users. The (little) time is the only obstacle.
>>
>> Regardless, I'll continue to help here when it will be fun because
>> there are smart people and good musicians in this community.
>>
>> tito
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Well, it will be nice to hear more about it.

The major issue I find with starting new systems etc is to get enough community involvement to make it worthwhile. 
I guess we can offer you our best wishes and good luck with the project.

Regards
Victor

 
On 1 Jun 2012, at 11:19, Tito Latini wrote:

> I have noticed that my ideas and way to work with the sounds is
> incompatible with the most of the csounders, therefore yesterday I
> have begun to write a new tool to synthesize sounds, initially without
> to think about the users. The (little) time is the only obstacle.
> 
> Regardless, I'll continue to help here when it will be fun because
> there are smart people and good musicians in this community.
> 
> tito
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> I have noticed that my ideas and way to work with the sounds is
> incompatible with the most of the csounders, therefore yesterday I
> have begun to write a new tool to synthesize sounds, initially without
> to think about the users. The (little) time is the only obstacle.

I often feel similar -- my idea of csound is not what others want but I
usually manage to suppress the disappointment.  The list of things I did
not want or wanted done differently (ie correctly) is quite long now.

>
> Regardless, I'll continue to help here when it will be fun because
> there are smart people and good musicians in this community.
>
> tito

I continue to be amazed by the invention and use the software supports. 
Still hoping to organise time to actually use it myself....

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Hi Tito,

Like MIchael I'm curious about what is incompatible. :)  More so, I am
curious as to what you envision, and will be very interested to follow
your work. Good luck with your new project and glad you will still be
around here. :)

steven

On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Tito Latini  wrote:
> I have noticed that my ideas and way to work with the sounds is
> incompatible with the most of the csounders, therefore yesterday I
> have begun to write a new tool to synthesize sounds, initially without
> to think about the users. The (little) time is the only obstacle.
>
> Regardless, I'll continue to help here when it will be fun because
> there are smart people and good musicians in this community.
>
> tito
>
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Hi Tito,

I'm curious to see what you come up with. It will probably be a very cool thing.
I'm also curious as to what you want to do that doesn't fit with
Csound, maybe it's worth adding or going in that direction.

Cheers,
Andrés

On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 5:19 AM, Tito Latini  wrote:
> I have noticed that my ideas and way to work with the sounds is
> incompatible with the most of the csounders, therefore yesterday I
> have begun to write a new tool to synthesize sounds, initially without
> to think about the users. The (little) time is the only obstacle.
>
> Regardless, I'll continue to help here when it will be fun because
> there are smart people and good musicians in this community.
>
> tito
>
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Hi Tito,

Interesting, have you had a look at (don't know much about Lisp, but
it seems related...):
http://lac.linuxaudio.org/2010/papers/23.pdf

I think it might be related to the direction you are going.

So is your main issue with Csound related to performance, or is it
related to the way it interfaces with other languages?

Cheers,
Andrés

On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Tito Latini  wrote:
> I'm seeing many replies, so I'll try to write an all-in-one answer to
> satisfy the curiosity.
>
> First, more important, the incompatibility is *only* technique and not
> personal. You can notice it through the following lines.
>
> Yesterday. I have a REPL and I start to write a kind of `scsynth' in
> Common Lisp. It is only to start something from scratch.
>
> I optimize some simple dsp for sbcl, with macro and type-declarations.
> Super fast.
>
> PortAudio library and a separate thread for RT.
>
> FIFO lock-free for the communications between NRT and RT
> (only `compare-and-swap' in sbcl for the time being).
>
> Memory pool in lisp for the nodes of the graph. Memory alloc/deallc for
> the buffers only in NRT with CFFI (so the malloc of C). The original gc
> only for the rest of NRT stuff. No memory (de)alloc in the RT-thread.
> In general, no locks in the RT thread.
>
> It is only the first stage, a way to start.
>
> I use a scheduler (Earliest deadline first algo) written in C some
> years ago (but not used). Integer-hash for the number of the nodes.
>
> After 4 hours (!!) I hear oscillators and noises in RT (low latency)
> and the cpu thinks that the computer is in standby.
>
> Some lines of code and rendering off-line thanks to libsndfile
> (but event-scheduling NRT is todo).
>
> Of course, all this is raw and to rewrite.
>
> Provisional target:
>
>  - synthesize sounds rt and nrt
>  - live coding and dsp on the fly
>  - dsp library in CL
>
> I hope months and not years.
>
> tito
>
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Hi Tito,

Very interesting!  My mind sometimes wanders into different audio
engine designs based on other languages too.  I had planned to build a
simple synthesis system in Clojure this summer, not so much for
musical usage but as a testing ground for signal processing
experiments (and for learning Clojure better).  I have been
considering some designs for blue  to integrate usage of other audio
engines, but I am not sure I will do this any time soon (too much to
build already! :P).  On the other hand, for some of the real-time
design changes of blue I'm starting to brainstorm, it may be that
capability will be added to blue as a byproduct of the other changes.

Anyways, best of luck with your CL audio engine and looking forward to
future conversations!

steven

On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Tito Latini  wrote:
> I'm seeing many replies, so I'll try to write an all-in-one answer to
> satisfy the curiosity.
>
> First, more important, the incompatibility is *only* technique and not
> personal. You can notice it through the following lines.
>
> Yesterday. I have a REPL and I start to write a kind of `scsynth' in
> Common Lisp. It is only to start something from scratch.
>
> I optimize some simple dsp for sbcl, with macro and type-declarations.
> Super fast.
>
> PortAudio library and a separate thread for RT.
>
> FIFO lock-free for the communications between NRT and RT
> (only `compare-and-swap' in sbcl for the time being).
>
> Memory pool in lisp for the nodes of the graph. Memory alloc/deallc for
> the buffers only in NRT with CFFI (so the malloc of C). The original gc
> only for the rest of NRT stuff. No memory (de)alloc in the RT-thread.
> In general, no locks in the RT thread.
>
> It is only the first stage, a way to start.
>
> I use a scheduler (Earliest deadline first algo) written in C some
> years ago (but not used). Integer-hash for the number of the nodes.
>
> After 4 hours (!!) I hear oscillators and noises in RT (low latency)
> and the cpu thinks that the computer is in standby.
>
> Some lines of code and rendering off-line thanks to libsndfile
> (but event-scheduling NRT is todo).
>
> Of course, all this is raw and to rewrite.
>
> Provisional target:
>
>  - synthesize sounds rt and nrt
>  - live coding and dsp on the fly
>  - dsp library in CL
>
> I hope months and not years.
>
> tito
>
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"Confusion will be my epitath"

good luck.

Victor

Jun 2012, at 18:46, Tito Latini  wrote:

> Thank you Steven, good brainstorming into the blue.
> 
> I close the thread with the end of the song:
> 
>  Nothing he's got he really needs
>  Twenty first century schizoid man.
> 
>                -- King Crimson
> 
> On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 01:03:19PM -0400, Steven Yi wrote:
>> Hi Tito,
>> 
>> Very interesting!  My mind sometimes wanders into different audio
>> engine designs based on other languages too.  I had planned to build a
>> simple synthesis system in Clojure this summer, not so much for
>> musical usage but as a testing ground for signal processing
>> experiments (and for learning Clojure better).  I have been
>> considering some designs for blue  to integrate usage of other audio
>> engines, but I am not sure I will do this any time soon (too much to
>> build already! :P).  On the other hand, for some of the real-time
>> design changes of blue I'm starting to brainstorm, it may be that
>> capability will be added to blue as a byproduct of the other changes.
>> 
>> Anyways, best of luck with your CL audio engine and looking forward to
>> future conversations!
>> 
>> steven
>> 
>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Tito Latini  wrote:
>>> I'm seeing many replies, so I'll try to write an all-in-one answer to
>>> satisfy the curiosity.
>>> 
>>> First, more important, the incompatibility is *only* technique and not
>>> personal. You can notice it through the following lines.
>>> 
>>> Yesterday. I have a REPL and I start to write a kind of `scsynth' in
>>> Common Lisp. It is only to start something from scratch.
>>> 
>>> I optimize some simple dsp for sbcl, with macro and type-declarations.
>>> Super fast.
>>> 
>>> PortAudio library and a separate thread for RT.
>>> 
>>> FIFO lock-free for the communications between NRT and RT
>>> (only `compare-and-swap' in sbcl for the time being).
>>> 
>>> Memory pool in lisp for the nodes of the graph. Memory alloc/deallc for
>>> the buffers only in NRT with CFFI (so the malloc of C). The original gc
>>> only for the rest of NRT stuff. No memory (de)alloc in the RT-thread.
>>> In general, no locks in the RT thread.
>>> 
>>> It is only the first stage, a way to start.
>>> 
>>> I use a scheduler (Earliest deadline first algo) written in C some
>>> years ago (but not used). Integer-hash for the number of the nodes.
>>> 
>>> After 4 hours (!!) I hear oscillators and noises in RT (low latency)
>>> and the cpu thinks that the computer is in standby.
>>> 
>>> Some lines of code and rendering off-line thanks to libsndfile
>>> (but event-scheduling NRT is todo).
>>> 
>>> Of course, all this is raw and to rewrite.
>>> 
>>> Provisional target:
>>> 
>>>  - synthesize sounds rt and nrt
>>>  - live coding and dsp on the fly
>>>  - dsp library in CL
>>> 
>>> I hope months and not years.
>>> 
>>> tito
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