In case you missed the lengthy discussion about this a few years ago on the 
Csound development list, I tried and others tried for some time to create 
and maintain a GNU autotools build system for Csound 5.

It never did work reliably, and it took up dozens if not hundreds of hours 
of our valuable time. Then I did an SCons build system, which worked right 
away after maybe 5 or 10 hours worth of work, and it has worked ever since. 
It has of course received a lot of work since then, but I am perfectly 
confident than it has received much LESS work than an equivalent autotools 
system would have required.

I have used both autotools (successfully) and SCons (successfully, of 
course) as a professional developer on large C++ projects for Solaris at 
work, and as an open source developer at home, and you can bet I will never 
touch autotools again unless there is no other way to build something I 
need.

My attitude is the consequence of experience, not of prejudice -- I had 
absolutely no preference one way or the other when I started.

Regards,
Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Akbari" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Makefile for Csound5 ?


> Excellent. Of course I will attempt to do so. Are there specific things 
> in the SConstruct that are impossible to do via commandline gcc syntax  / 
> makefile ? If not, is it possible to modify the existing  Csound4.23f13 
> autconf+makefile to work with Csound5 (will it work?)
>
>
> -David
>
> On Jan 26, 2006, at 5:55 PM, Michael Gogins wrote:
>
>> Do not expect me to maintain a build system that works (Scons) plus 
>> another build system. If you want a minimal system, please modify 
>> SConstruct to build one.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: David Akbari 
>>> Sent: Jan 26, 2006 4:19 PM
>>> To: csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
>>> Subject: [Cs-dev] Makefile for Csound5 ?
>>>
>>> Hi List,
>>>
>>> I realize that the Debian packages repository calls SCons "a
>>> replacement for make" but I was wondering if there was any plan in the
>>> works to include a standard Makefile and/or configure.ac in the Csound
>>> 5 CVS repository so that SCons is not a required package to build
>>> Csound ?
>>>
>>> If there is a way to do this now I would be most interested to learn
>>> more about it - I would be quite interested in compiling just a
>>> "minimal" build that has only the core Csound modules and links only
>>> against glibc and libsndfile.
>>>
>>> I have Python, and the scons system works but I am interested in other
>>> alternatives..
>>>
>>> Tips appreciated!
>>>
>>>
>>> -David
>>>
>>>
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Scons is dead easy to learn, I can say that. I'm not sure I can say the 
same for autoconf.
I put in a feature request for a Makefile builder for scons. Perhaps 
they'll hear.

Victor

At 02:26 27/01/2006, you wrote:
>In case you missed the lengthy discussion about this a few years ago on 
>the Csound development list, I tried and others tried for some time to 
>create and maintain a GNU autotools build system for Csound 5.
>
>It never did work reliably, and it took up dozens if not hundreds of hours 
>of our valuable time. Then I did an SCons build system, which worked right 
>away after maybe 5 or 10 hours worth of work, and it has worked ever 
>since. It has of course received a lot of work since then, but I am 
>perfectly confident than it has received much LESS work than an equivalent 
>autotools system would have required.
>
>I have used both autotools (successfully) and SCons (successfully, of 
>course) as a professional developer on large C++ projects for Solaris at 
>work, and as an open source developer at home, and you can bet I will 
>never touch autotools again unless there is no other way to build 
>something I need.
>
>My attitude is the consequence of experience, not of prejudice -- I had 
>absolutely no preference one way or the other when I started.
>
>Regards,
>Mike
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "David Akbari" 
>To: 
>Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:30 PM
>Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Makefile for Csound5 ?
>
>
>>Excellent. Of course I will attempt to do so. Are there specific things 
>>in the SConstruct that are impossible to do via commandline gcc syntax  / 
>>makefile ? If not, is it possible to modify the existing  Csound4.23f13 
>>autconf+makefile to work with Csound5 (will it work?)
>>
>>
>>-David
>>
>>On Jan 26, 2006, at 5:55 PM, Michael Gogins wrote:
>>
>>>Do not expect me to maintain a build system that works (Scons) plus 
>>>another build system. If you want a minimal system, please modify 
>>>SConstruct to build one.
>>>
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Mike
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: David Akbari 
>>>>Sent: Jan 26, 2006 4:19 PM
>>>>To: csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
>>>>Subject: [Cs-dev] Makefile for Csound5 ?
>>>>
>>>>Hi List,
>>>>
>>>>I realize that the Debian packages repository calls SCons "a
>>>>replacement for make" but I was wondering if there was any plan in the
>>>>works to include a standard Makefile and/or configure.ac in the Csound
>>>>5 CVS repository so that SCons is not a required package to build
>>>>Csound ?
>>>>
>>>>If there is a way to do this now I would be most interested to learn
>>>>more about it - I would be quite interested in compiling just a
>>>>"minimal" build that has only the core Csound modules and links only
>>>>against glibc and libsndfile.
>>>>
>>>>I have Python, and the scons system works but I am interested in other
>>>>alternatives..
>>>>
>>>>Tips appreciated!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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