I am not trying to insult you. I don't see any insulting words or an 
insulting tone in my remarks. I have the highest respect for you, and your 
contributions to computer music. You personally originally made it possible 
for me to do real computer music on an IBM-compatible personal computer, and 
I am very grateful for that. You have also continued to work with people, 
like myself, who can be difficult at times.

I did, however, mean my words to be a bit "pointed."

I am pointing out that Csound has a diverse user base. Some users have needs 
different from your own. If you make an installer that serves only your own 
needs, those other users will not be served. Then, perhaps even because of 
that, some day some other developer may produce an installer that does 
include Jack and the interfaces. Then, there is a duplication of effort that 
in my judgment would be better spent on more musical purposes.

Best regards,
Mike

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>>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Gogins  writes:
>
> Michael> Are you going to write a Linux installer exclusively for
> Michael> people with needs identical to your own, or are you going to
> Michael> write one that more people can use?
>
> I am insulted by that remark; the installer I wrote is neutral wrt the
> binaries and opcodes/modules.  While I do have macintoshes there are
> others with much more knowledge of the machine and its use.  I write
> infrastructure.
>
> Michael> Jack is totally standard on Linux by now, and I believe is
> Michael> usable on OS X as well.
>
> and?  I cannot see any facility it give me, even if it were to work.
>
> ==John ffitch
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But my installer DOES include Jack.  As I said it is content neutral
(nearly).  I have always been in this game to support other use --
like the original DOS csound was not one I actually used, as my real
computers were HLH-Orion and later SGI.
  As my mac is two O/S behind it does not seem that important to build
systems that do not run on it.  I just like to be able to check basic
operation.
  As I have said before, my main concern in trying to get some action
on a release is to support the mainstream, existing base.  Then it is
support for the embedded systems, frontends, interworking etc.

==John ffitch


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I can build the OSX release version, using John's installer system, if
it comes to that. I have 10.3 and 10.4 here.

Victor

At 08:02 30/11/2005, you wrote:
>But my installer DOES include Jack.  As I said it is content neutral
>(nearly).  I have always been in this game to support other use --
>like the original DOS csound was not one I actually used, as my real
>computers were HLH-Orion and later SGI.
>   As my mac is two O/S behind it does not seem that important to build
>systems that do not run on it.  I just like to be able to check basic
>operation.
>   As I have said before, my main concern in trying to get some action
>on a release is to support the mainstream, existing base.  Then it is
>support for the embedded systems, frontends, interworking etc.
>
>==John ffitch
>
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Victor Lazzarini
Music Technology Laboratory
Music Department
National University of Ireland, Maynooth 



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