This seems wrong to me.  I looked in dispinit (InOut/windows.c) and
O->postscript is set, but I did not ask for it.  I expect FLTK
graphics by default as in earlier systems.  I cannot find any writing
to this field outside argdecode, but I assume it looks as if it is
initialised to postscript.  Why?  Did we discuss this?  Especially as
there is no option to turn it off.
==John ffitch

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Hi John,

I just did a search and didn't find too much. I saw that postscript
gets set either in argdecode (with --postscriptdisplays or -G), and I
saw that it can get set if csoundSetParams is called and
params->postscript_graphs is set to 1.  Other than that, the code
seems fine.

Off chance thing I can think of is if you're using an old binary
linked to a newer library (or vice versa) and someone added or removed
a field to OPARMS or CSOUND_PARAMS.

I remember a while back discussing displays vs. graphs, but not postscript.

steven

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:29 PM, john ffitch  wrote:
> This seems wrong to me.  I looked in dispinit (InOut/windows.c) and
> O->postscript is set, but I did not ask for it.  I expect FLTK
> graphics by default as in earlier systems.  I cannot find any writing
> to this field outside argdecode, but I assume it looks as if it is
> initialised to postscript.  Why?  Did we discuss this?  Especially as
> there is no option to turn it off.
> ==John ffitch
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No; freshly built.  The problem I hve is that params->postscript_graphs is
set to 1 in the csound->oparms_ field so when it is copied it switches on
eps.  Setting this to 0 in oparms_ fixes the issue and I get fltk graphics
as I expect rather hat ascii+eps

Not committed yet

> Hi John,
>
> I just did a search and didn't find too much. I saw that postscript
> gets set either in argdecode (with --postscriptdisplays or -G), and I
> saw that it can get set if csoundSetParams is called and
> params->postscript_graphs is set to 1.  Other than that, the code
> seems fine.
>
> Off chance thing I can think of is if you're using an old binary
> linked to a newer library (or vice versa) and someone added or removed
> a field to OPARMS or CSOUND_PARAMS.
>
> I remember a while back discussing displays vs. graphs, but not
> postscript.
>
> steven
>
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:29 PM, john ffitch  wrote:
>> This seems wrong to me.  I looked in dispinit (InOut/windows.c) and
>> O->postscript is set, but I did not ask for it.  I expect FLTK
>> graphics by default as in earlier systems.  I cannot find any writing
>> to this field outside argdecode, but I assume it looks as if it is
>> initialised to postscript.  Why?  Did we discuss this?  Especially as
>> there is no option to turn it off.
>> ==John ffitch
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Sounds like a good solution to me.  If anyone come back with an issue
at least we know where to change.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 6:58 AM,   wrote:
> No; freshly built.  The problem I hve is that params->postscript_graphs is
> set to 1 in the csound->oparms_ field so when it is copied it switches on
> eps.  Setting this to 0 in oparms_ fixes the issue and I get fltk graphics
> as I expect rather hat ascii+eps
>
> Not committed yet
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I just did a search and didn't find too much. I saw that postscript
>> gets set either in argdecode (with --postscriptdisplays or -G), and I
>> saw that it can get set if csoundSetParams is called and
>> params->postscript_graphs is set to 1.  Other than that, the code
>> seems fine.
>>
>> Off chance thing I can think of is if you're using an old binary
>> linked to a newer library (or vice versa) and someone added or removed
>> a field to OPARMS or CSOUND_PARAMS.
>>
>> I remember a while back discussing displays vs. graphs, but not
>> postscript.
>>
>> steven
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:29 PM, john ffitch  wrote:
>>> This seems wrong to me.  I looked in dispinit (InOut/windows.c) and
>>> O->postscript is set, but I did not ask for it.  I expect FLTK
>>> graphics by default as in earlier systems.  I cannot find any writing
>>> to this field outside argdecode, but I assume it looks as if it is
>>> initialised to postscript.  Why?  Did we discuss this?  Especially as
>>> there is no option to turn it off.
>>> ==John ffitch
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I am only seeing this now. I had changed the code not to display any FLTK graphics by default because they seemed to
me to just cause issues (esp. in OSX). So if you are planning to revert this, I just wanted to say that I would prefer if graphs were 
not turned on by default, or if a simpler form, which is decoupled from FLTK was used (ASCII?).

Victor

On 24 Jul 2013, at 20:29, john ffitch wrote:

> This seems wrong to me.  I looked in dispinit (InOut/windows.c) and
> O->postscript is set, but I did not ask for it.  I expect FLTK
> graphics by default as in earlier systems.  I cannot find any writing
> to this field outside argdecode, but I assume it looks as if it is
> initialised to postscript.  Why?  Did we discuss this?  Especially as
> there is no option to turn it off.
> ==John ffitch
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As I asked before, can we default to no graphs, please?
On 25 Jul 2013, at 16:05, Steven Yi wrote:

> Sounds like a good solution to me.  If anyone come back with an issue
> at least we know where to change.
> 
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 6:58 AM,   wrote:
>> No; freshly built.  The problem I hve is that params->postscript_graphs is
>> set to 1 in the csound->oparms_ field so when it is copied it switches on
>> eps.  Setting this to 0 in oparms_ fixes the issue and I get fltk graphics
>> as I expect rather hat ascii+eps
>> 
>> Not committed yet
>> 
>>> Hi John,
>>> 
>>> I just did a search and didn't find too much. I saw that postscript
>>> gets set either in argdecode (with --postscriptdisplays or -G), and I
>>> saw that it can get set if csoundSetParams is called and
>>> params->postscript_graphs is set to 1.  Other than that, the code
>>> seems fine.
>>> 
>>> Off chance thing I can think of is if you're using an old binary
>>> linked to a newer library (or vice versa) and someone added or removed
>>> a field to OPARMS or CSOUND_PARAMS.
>>> 
>>> I remember a while back discussing displays vs. graphs, but not
>>> postscript.
>>> 
>>> steven
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:29 PM, john ffitch  wrote:
>>>> This seems wrong to me.  I looked in dispinit (InOut/windows.c) and
>>>> O->postscript is set, but I did not ask for it.  I expect FLTK
>>>> graphics by default as in earlier systems.  I cannot find any writing
>>>> to this field outside argdecode, but I assume it looks as if it is
>>>> initialised to postscript.  Why?  Did we discuss this?  Especially as
>>>> there is no option to turn it off.
>>>> ==John ffitch
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I will add my vote for ASCII graphs  or no graphs by default.

Cheers,
Andres

I have -d in my .csoundrc when rendering, so it's not a big deal to me
either way.  I also have turn off displays by default in Blue for Blue
users. I'd rather there be no graphs rather than ASCII by default.
Maybe we can direct users to use CsOptions or .csoundrc if they want
to have graphs?

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
> I will add my vote for ASCII graphs  or no graphs by default.
>
> Cheers,
> Andres
>
> On Jul 30, 2013 10:04 AM, "Victor Lazzarini" 
> wrote:
>>
>> As I asked before, can we default to no graphs, please?
>> On 25 Jul 2013, at 16:05, Steven Yi wrote:
>>
>> > Sounds like a good solution to me.  If anyone come back with an issue
>> > at least we know where to change.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 6:58 AM,   wrote:
>> >> No; freshly built.  The problem I hve is that params->postscript_graphs
>> >> is
>> >> set to 1 in the csound->oparms_ field so when it is copied it switches
>> >> on
>> >> eps.  Setting this to 0 in oparms_ fixes the issue and I get fltk
>> >> graphics
>> >> as I expect rather hat ascii+eps
>> >>
>> >> Not committed yet
>> >>
>> >>> Hi John,
>> >>>
>> >>> I just did a search and didn't find too much. I saw that postscript
>> >>> gets set either in argdecode (with --postscriptdisplays or -G), and I
>> >>> saw that it can get set if csoundSetParams is called and
>> >>> params->postscript_graphs is set to 1.  Other than that, the code
>> >>> seems fine.
>> >>>
>> >>> Off chance thing I can think of is if you're using an old binary
>> >>> linked to a newer library (or vice versa) and someone added or removed
>> >>> a field to OPARMS or CSOUND_PARAMS.
>> >>>
>> >>> I remember a while back discussing displays vs. graphs, but not
>> >>> postscript.
>> >>>
>> >>> steven
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:29 PM, john ffitch 
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> This seems wrong to me.  I looked in dispinit (InOut/windows.c) and
>> >>>> O->postscript is set, but I did not ask for it.  I expect FLTK
>> >>>> graphics by default as in earlier systems.  I cannot find any writing
>> >>>> to this field outside argdecode, but I assume it looks as if it is
>> >>>> initialised to postscript.  Why?  Did we discuss this?  Especially as
>> >>>> there is no option to turn it off.
>> >>>> ==John ffitch
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I like and use graphics regularly.  ASCII grapics are not a solution
I changed as I was getting forced to generate .eps and see ascii graphs
which I thought, and still think, is a wrong point.

So how would one get graphics again if default is none?

> I have -d in my .csoundrc when rendering, so it's not a big deal to me
> either way.  I also have turn off displays by default in Blue for Blue
> users. I'd rather there be no graphs rather than ASCII by default.
> Maybe we can direct users to use CsOptions or .csoundrc if they want
> to have graphs?
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Andres Cabrera 
> wrote:
>> I will add my vote for ASCII graphs  or no graphs by default.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andres
>>
>> On Jul 30, 2013 10:04 AM, "Victor Lazzarini" 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> As I asked before, can we default to no graphs, please?
>>> On 25 Jul 2013, at 16:05, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>
>>> > Sounds like a good solution to me.  If anyone come back with an issue
>>> > at least we know where to change.
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 6:58 AM,   wrote:
>>> >> No; freshly built.  The problem I hve is that
>>> params->postscript_graphs
>>> >> is
>>> >> set to 1 in the csound->oparms_ field so when it is copied it
>>> switches
>>> >> on
>>> >> eps.  Setting this to 0 in oparms_ fixes the issue and I get fltk
>>> >> graphics
>>> >> as I expect rather hat ascii+eps
>>> >>
>>> >> Not committed yet
>>> >>
>>> >>> Hi John,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I just did a search and didn't find too much. I saw that postscript
>>> >>> gets set either in argdecode (with --postscriptdisplays or -G), and
>>> I
>>> >>> saw that it can get set if csoundSetParams is called and
>>> >>> params->postscript_graphs is set to 1.  Other than that, the code
>>> >>> seems fine.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Off chance thing I can think of is if you're using an old binary
>>> >>> linked to a newer library (or vice versa) and someone added or
>>> removed
>>> >>> a field to OPARMS or CSOUND_PARAMS.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I remember a while back discussing displays vs. graphs, but not
>>> >>> postscript.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> steven
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:29 PM, john ffitch 
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>> This seems wrong to me.  I looked in dispinit (InOut/windows.c)
>>> and
>>> >>>> O->postscript is set, but I did not ask for it.  I expect FLTK
>>> >>>> graphics by default as in earlier systems.  I cannot find any
>>> writing
>>> >>>> to this field outside argdecode, but I assume it looks as if it is
>>> >>>> initialised to postscript.  Why?  Did we discuss this?  Especially
>>> as
>>> >>>> there is no option to turn it off.
>>> >>>> ==John ffitch
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You could use "--displays" to enable graphics.  I just tried it on the
commandline and it overrode what I had in .csound6rc. (Gave me ascii
displays though, not sure how you choose which display to use).

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:47 PM,   wrote:
> I like and use graphics regularly.  ASCII grapics are not a solution
> I changed as I was getting forced to generate .eps and see ascii graphs
> which I thought, and still think, is a wrong point.
>
> So how would one get graphics again if default is none?
>
>> I have -d in my .csoundrc when rendering, so it's not a big deal to me
>> either way.  I also have turn off displays by default in Blue for Blue
>> users. I'd rather there be no graphs rather than ASCII by default.
>> Maybe we can direct users to use CsOptions or .csoundrc if they want
>> to have graphs?
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Andres Cabrera 
>> wrote:
>>> I will add my vote for ASCII graphs  or no graphs by default.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Andres
>>>
>>> On Jul 30, 2013 10:04 AM, "Victor Lazzarini" 
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As I asked before, can we default to no graphs, please?
>>>> On 25 Jul 2013, at 16:05, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Sounds like a good solution to me.  If anyone come back with an issue
>>>> > at least we know where to change.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 6:58 AM,   wrote:
>>>> >> No; freshly built.  The problem I hve is that
>>>> params->postscript_graphs
>>>> >> is
>>>> >> set to 1 in the csound->oparms_ field so when it is copied it
>>>> switches
>>>> >> on
>>>> >> eps.  Setting this to 0 in oparms_ fixes the issue and I get fltk
>>>> >> graphics
>>>> >> as I expect rather hat ascii+eps
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Not committed yet
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Hi John,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I just did a search and didn't find too much. I saw that postscript
>>>> >>> gets set either in argdecode (with --postscriptdisplays or -G), and
>>>> I
>>>> >>> saw that it can get set if csoundSetParams is called and
>>>> >>> params->postscript_graphs is set to 1.  Other than that, the code
>>>> >>> seems fine.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Off chance thing I can think of is if you're using an old binary
>>>> >>> linked to a newer library (or vice versa) and someone added or
>>>> removed
>>>> >>> a field to OPARMS or CSOUND_PARAMS.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I remember a while back discussing displays vs. graphs, but not
>>>> >>> postscript.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> steven
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:29 PM, john ffitch 
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>>> This seems wrong to me.  I looked in dispinit (InOut/windows.c)
>>>> and
>>>> >>>> O->postscript is set, but I did not ask for it.  I expect FLTK
>>>> >>>> graphics by default as in earlier systems.  I cannot find any
>>>> writing
>>>> >>>> to this field outside argdecode, but I assume it looks as if it is
>>>> >>>> initialised to postscript.  Why?  Did we discuss this?  Especially
>>>> as
>>>> >>>> there is no option to turn it off.
>>>> >>>> ==John ffitch
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we could modify the option by adding an option field

--displays=ascii
--displays=fltk
--displays=ps

Victor
On 30 Jul 2013, at 18:55, Steven Yi wrote:

> You could use "--displays" to enable graphics.  I just tried it on the
> commandline and it overrode what I had in .csound6rc. (Gave me ascii
> displays though, not sure how you choose which display to use).
> 
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:47 PM,   wrote:
>> I like and use graphics regularly.  ASCII grapics are not a solution
>> I changed as I was getting forced to generate .eps and see ascii graphs
>> which I thought, and still think, is a wrong point.
>> 
>> So how would one get graphics again if default is none?
>> 
>>> I have -d in my .csoundrc when rendering, so it's not a big deal to me
>>> either way.  I also have turn off displays by default in Blue for Blue
>>> users. I'd rather there be no graphs rather than ASCII by default.
>>> Maybe we can direct users to use CsOptions or .csoundrc if they want
>>> to have graphs?
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Andres Cabrera 
>>> wrote:
>>>> I will add my vote for ASCII graphs  or no graphs by default.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Andres
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 30, 2013 10:04 AM, "Victor Lazzarini" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> As I asked before, can we default to no graphs, please?
>>>>> On 25 Jul 2013, at 16:05, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sounds like a good solution to me.  If anyone come back with an issue
>>>>>> at least we know where to change.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 6:58 AM,   wrote:
>>>>>>> No; freshly built.  The problem I hve is that
>>>>> params->postscript_graphs
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> set to 1 in the csound->oparms_ field so when it is copied it
>>>>> switches
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> eps.  Setting this to 0 in oparms_ fixes the issue and I get fltk
>>>>>>> graphics
>>>>>>> as I expect rather hat ascii+eps
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Not committed yet
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I just did a search and didn't find too much. I saw that postscript
>>>>>>>> gets set either in argdecode (with --postscriptdisplays or -G), and
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> saw that it can get set if csoundSetParams is called and
>>>>>>>> params->postscript_graphs is set to 1.  Other than that, the code
>>>>>>>> seems fine.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Off chance thing I can think of is if you're using an old binary
>>>>>>>> linked to a newer library (or vice versa) and someone added or
>>>>> removed
>>>>>>>> a field to OPARMS or CSOUND_PARAMS.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I remember a while back discussing displays vs. graphs, but not
>>>>>>>> postscript.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> steven
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:29 PM, john ffitch 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> This seems wrong to me.  I looked in dispinit (InOut/windows.c)
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> O->postscript is set, but I did not ask for it.  I expect FLTK
>>>>>>>>> graphics by default as in earlier systems.  I cannot find any
>>>>> writing
>>>>>>>>> to this field outside argdecode, but I assume it looks as if it is
>>>>>>>>> initialised to postscript.  Why?  Did we discuss this?  Especially
>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> there is no option to turn it off.
>>>>>>>>> ==John ffitch
>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
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Ah, I was thinking there might be something in Csound already and I
just didn't know what it was.  That proposal sounds good to me.

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Victor Lazzarini
 wrote:
> we could modify the option by adding an option field
>
> --displays=ascii
> --displays=fltk
> --displays=ps
>
> Victor
> On 30 Jul 2013, at 18:55, Steven Yi wrote:
>
>> You could use "--displays" to enable graphics.  I just tried it on the
>> commandline and it overrode what I had in .csound6rc. (Gave me ascii
>> displays though, not sure how you choose which display to use).
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:47 PM,   wrote:
>>> I like and use graphics regularly.  ASCII grapics are not a solution
>>> I changed as I was getting forced to generate .eps and see ascii graphs
>>> which I thought, and still think, is a wrong point.
>>>
>>> So how would one get graphics again if default is none?
>>>
>>>> I have -d in my .csoundrc when rendering, so it's not a big deal to me
>>>> either way.  I also have turn off displays by default in Blue for Blue
>>>> users. I'd rather there be no graphs rather than ASCII by default.
>>>> Maybe we can direct users to use CsOptions or .csoundrc if they want
>>>> to have graphs?
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Andres Cabrera 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I will add my vote for ASCII graphs  or no graphs by default.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Andres
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 30, 2013 10:04 AM, "Victor Lazzarini" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I asked before, can we default to no graphs, please?
>>>>>> On 25 Jul 2013, at 16:05, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sounds like a good solution to me.  If anyone come back with an issue
>>>>>>> at least we know where to change.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 6:58 AM,   wrote:
>>>>>>>> No; freshly built.  The problem I hve is that
>>>>>> params->postscript_graphs
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> set to 1 in the csound->oparms_ field so when it is copied it
>>>>>> switches
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> eps.  Setting this to 0 in oparms_ fixes the issue and I get fltk
>>>>>>>> graphics
>>>>>>>> as I expect rather hat ascii+eps
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not committed yet
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just did a search and didn't find too much. I saw that postscript
>>>>>>>>> gets set either in argdecode (with --postscriptdisplays or -G), and
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> saw that it can get set if csoundSetParams is called and
>>>>>>>>> params->postscript_graphs is set to 1.  Other than that, the code
>>>>>>>>> seems fine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Off chance thing I can think of is if you're using an old binary
>>>>>>>>> linked to a newer library (or vice versa) and someone added or
>>>>>> removed
>>>>>>>>> a field to OPARMS or CSOUND_PARAMS.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I remember a while back discussing displays vs. graphs, but not
>>>>>>>>> postscript.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> steven
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:29 PM, john ffitch 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> This seems wrong to me.  I looked in dispinit (InOut/windows.c)
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> O->postscript is set, but I did not ask for it.  I expect FLTK
>>>>>>>>>> graphics by default as in earlier systems.  I cannot find any
>>>>>> writing
>>>>>>>>>> to this field outside argdecode, but I assume it looks as if it is
>>>>>>>>>> initialised to postscript.  Why?  Did we discuss this?  Especially
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>> there is no option to turn it off.
>>>>>>>>>> ==John ffitch
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Get your SQL database under version control now!
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>>>>>> caught up. So what steps can you take to put your SQL databases under
>>>>>> version control? Why should you start doing it? Read more to find out.
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>>>>> Get your SQL database under version control now!
>>>>> Version control is standard for application code, but databases havent
>>>>> caught up. So what steps can you take to put your SQL databases under
>>>>> version control? Why should you start doing it? Read more to find out.
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>>>> Get your SQL database under version control now!
>>>> Version control is standard for application code, but databases havent
>>>> caught up. So what steps can you take to put your SQL databases under
>>>> version control? Why should you start doing it? Read more to find out.
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>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Get your SQL database under version control now!
>>> Version control is standard for application code, but databases havent
>>> caught up. So what steps can you take to put your SQL databases under
>>> version control? Why should you start doing it? Read more to find out.
>>> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=49501711&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk
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>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Get your SQL database under version control now!
>> Version control is standard for application code, but databases havent
>> caught up. So what steps can you take to put your SQL databases under
>> version control? Why should you start doing it? Read more to find out.
>> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=49501711&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk
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>
> Dr Victor Lazzarini
> Senior Lecturer
> Dept. of Music
> NUI Maynooth Ireland
> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Get your SQL database under version control now!
> Version control is standard for application code, but databases havent
> caught up. So what steps can you take to put your SQL databases under
> version control? Why should you start doing it? Read more to find out.
> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=49501711&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk
> _______________________________________________
> Csound-devel mailing list
> Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel

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caught up. So what steps can you take to put your SQL databases under 
version control? Why should you start doing it? Read more to find out.
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