I appreciate this, Mike. I'm sure many others do too.

Art H.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Gogins" 
To: "Art Hunkins" ; "Developer discussions"

Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] OSC on Windows float installers


> Thanks for the information, this saves me time and trouble. We are working
on this.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Art Hunkins 
> >Sent: Nov 8, 2007 12:25 PM
> >To: Developer discussions 
> >Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] OSC on Windows float installers
> >
> >Steven and Michael:
> >
> >Dropping msvcr80.dll into the csound\bin directory does not work for me.
> >
> >I still get WARNING: could not open fluidOpcodes.dll and rtpa.dll
messages;
> >and later, error: unknown rtaudio module: 'pa'.
> >
> >Art Hunkins
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Steven Yi" 
> >To: "Developer discussions" 
> >Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:46 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] OSC on Windows float installers
> >
> >
> >> That sounds like really good news then if we can just drop msvcr80.dll
> >> in a directory.  Maybe you could put a copy of it somewhere for others
> >> who have had problems with 5.07 like Tim to download and try putting
> >> in their csound/bin directory to see if that will alleviate their
> >> problem?  (If you want to send me a copy via email, I can post it on
> >> my site for others to download and try).
> >>
> >> steven
> >>
> >>
> >> On Nov 7, 2007 7:21 PM, Michael Gogins  wrote:
> >> > Thanks for the explanation. For some reason I rarely have FTP
failures
> >and
> >> > the other steps seem routine.
> >> >
> >> > The advantage, for me, is that when this is done there is never any
> >doubt or
> >> > ambiguity about where to go or what is what.
> >> >
> >> > By the way, I think that we can simply drop msvc80.dll into the
Csound
> >bin
> >> > directory. It now looks like the manifest business only applies to
> >programs,
> >> > not DLLs. I am using the Microsoft "depend" tool to verify that the
DLL
> >is
> >> > being loaded from this location for rtpa.dll and fluidsynth.dll. I
will
> >> > upload new point releases as soon as I have verified this. It is only
> >> > portaudio_x86.dll and fluidsynth.dll that are being built with Visual
> >C++ at
> >> > this time.
> >> >
> >> > This all happened because I applied Service Pack 1 to my Visual C++
> >Express
> >> > Edition to be sure I had the latest version, and I did not understand
> >that
> >> > this brought in the manifest files, msvcr80.dll, etc., because of
course
> >> > Service Pack 1 put msvcr80.dll und so weiter into the WinSxS
directory
> >where
> >> > they just worked for me.
> >> >
> >> > Best,
> >> > Mike
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Steven Yi" 
> >> >
> >> > To: "Developer discussions" 
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:18 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] OSC on Windows float installers
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Well, for me, from all the releases I've done with blue, I always
find
> >> > > myself anxious when doing releases with SF as the FTP system has
been
> >> > > telling me the upload failed even though it didn't, plus having to
> >> > > upload, then go in and select all the files to add the release,
then
> >> > > going to mark them for file types is much more work than uploading
to
> >> > > an FTP and saying "here they are!".
> >> > >
> >> > > On Nov 7, 2007 6:08 PM, Michael Gogins  wrote:
> >> > >> What do you mean about the file release system being hard to use?
All
> >we
> >> > >> have to do is add "BETA" to the filename. I find this is a very
easy
> >> > >> system
> >> > >> to use.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Regards,
> >> > >> Mike
> >> > >>
> >> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> > >> From: "Steven Yi" 
> >> > >> To: "Michael Gogins" ; "Developer
discussions"
> >> > >> 
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 7:10 PM
> >> > >> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] OSC on Windows float installers
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > Hopefully that will work, if not, is there a technical reason
that
> >you
> >> > >> > switched to VC++ versus staying with MinGW?  Or are there any
> >> > >> > objections to building for release using MinGW?
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Taking into account Dr. B's email regarding Seoul and missing
> >.dll's,
> >> > >> > I am thinking as a post mortem to this whole 5.07 experience
that
> >we
> >> > >> > might want to invest in doing at least one public beta build
versus
> >> > >> > going straight to release and to try to catch problems with
that.
> >I
> >> > >> > think it would help make expectations be what they should plus
it
> >> > >> > would give us time to fix any issues for a "release" quality
build.
> >I
> >> > >> > think there are users in our community who would be willing to
try
> >out
> >> > >> > betas and give feedback.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > For a new release, I think we should do one as soon as possible
as
> >> > >> > Victor has fixed diskin and I think we can probably research and
> >fix
> >> > >> > turnoff2 and those affect everyone.  For the windows build, I
can
> >> > >> > install NSIS and will try to get involved with building and
testing
> >> > >> > that (will have to wait until after tomorrow though!).
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > For the betas, we can use sourceforge but as we all know who
have
> >used
> >> > >> > the file release system that it is not very easy to use.  It
might
> >be
> >> > >> > worth creating an ftp site just for downloading betas.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Thoughts anyone?
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Thanks!
> >> > >> > steven
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > On Nov 7, 2007 10:07 AM, Michael Gogins 
> >wrote:
> >> > >> >> It's not that simple... VC++ binaries now always have a
manifest,
> >and
> >> > >> >> the
> >> > >> >> CRT in the manifest must be where and what version the manifest
> >says.
> >> > >> >> Just including msvcr80.dll in the installer and putting it
where
> >the
> >> > >> >> manifest says should would do the job, and I will indeed try
that.
> >But
> >> > >> >> I'm not sure this is the best solution; Windows in general
wants
> >to
> >> > >> >> find
> >> > >> >> these libraries in WinSxS, which is where the redistributable
> >> > >> >> installer
> >> > >> >> puts them.
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> Regards,
> >> > >> >> Mike
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> > >> >> >From: Steven Yi 
> >> > >> >> >Sent: Nov 7, 2007 11:35 AM
> >> > >> >> >To: Developer discussions 
> >> > >> >> >Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] OSC on Windows float installers
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >Is it the game plan to package the msvcrt80.dll with Csound so
> >that
> >> > >> >> >users won't need to download separately?
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >On Nov 7, 2007 5:24 AM, Michael Gogins 
> >wrote:
> >> > >> >> >> This is not my doing, it is Microsoft's. I expect this to be
a
> >> > >> >> >> permanent
> >> > >> >> >> situation. Microsoft's reasoning is that they need to tie
> >binaries
> >> > >> >> >> to
> >> > >> >> >> specific versions of libraries for stability and security
> >reasons,
> >> > >> >> >> and
> >> > >> >> >> this
> >> > >> >> >> is how they chose to do it. The same problems do indeed
exist
> >on
> >> > >> >> >> Linux, but
> >> > >> >> >> the Linux solution is qualified sonames, e.g.
csound32.so.5.1
> >or
> >> > >> >> >> csound32.so.5.0. I guess this was too simple and Linux-like
for
> >> > >> >> >> Microsoft to
> >> > >> >> >> copy.
> >> > >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> Sorry.
> >> > >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> Regards,
> >> > >> >> >> Mike
> >> > >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> > >> >> >> From: "Tim Mortimer" 
> >> > >> >> >> To: 
> >> > >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 4:45 AM
> >> > >> >> >> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] OSC on Windows float installers
> >> > >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >> > My XP installation is Service Pack 1
> >> > >> >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >> > 1) do i still need to do this?
> >> > >> >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >> > 2) the link to the microsoft download Visual C++ site
(i.e.
> >your
> >> > >> >> >> > link
> >> > >> >> >> > Mike)
> >> > >> >> >> > says
> >> > >> >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >> > "Supported Operating Systems: Windows 2000 Service Pack 3;
> >> > >> >> >> > Windows
> >> > >> >> >> > 98;
> >> > >> >> >> > Windows 98 Second Edition; Windows ME; Windows Server
2003;
> >> > >> >> >> > Windows
> >> > >> >> >> > XP
> >> > >> >> >> > Service Pack 2"
> >> > >> >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >> > if 1) == "yes" then i guess this means i'd better find a
> >service
> >> > >> >> >> > pack 2
> >> > >> >> >> > update - just so i can continue to run Csound? (my music
PC
> >was
> >> > >> >> >> > not,
> >> > >> >> >> > is
> >> > >> >> >> > not,
> >> > >> >> >> > & never will be online...)
> >> > >> >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >> > I don't like to be picky, but i am starting to get a hunch
> >that
> >> > >> >> >> > this
> >> > >> >> >> > is
> >> > >> >> >> > not
> >> > >> >> >> > an "ideal" solution....
> >> > >> >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >> > An avid watcher of this thread (who understands little
other
> >than
> >> > >> >> >> > it
> >> > >> >> >> > has
> >> > >> >> >> > some potentially major implications beyond my level of
> >expertise
> >> > >> >> >> > &
> >> > >> >> >> > understanding) awaits further input & developments....
> >> > >> >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >> > Michael Gogins wrote:
> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> >> I have discovered the cause of these problems with
rtpa.dll
> >and
> >> > >> >> >> >> the
> >> > >> >> >> >> Fluid
> >> > >> >> >> >> opcodes.
> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> >> In Csound 5.07's Windows installers, I built the
PortAudio
> >DLL
> >> > >> >> >> >> (used by
> >> > >> >> >> >> rtpa.dll) and the FluidSynth DLL (used by
fluidOpcodes.dll)
> >> > >> >> >> >> using
> >> > >> >> >> >> Microsoft
> >> > >> >> >> >> Visual C++ Express Edition, Service Pack 1, instead of
with
> >> > >> >> >> >> MSYS/MinGW or
> >> > >> >> >> >> MSVC++ Express Edition before the service pack, as I used
to
> >do.
> >> > >> >> >> >> The
> >> > >> >> >> >> result
> >> > >> >> >> >> is a more complete, up to date, and probably faster
build.
> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> >> However, with Service Pack 1, Visual C++ creates a
> >"manifest"
> >> > >> >> >> >> for
> >> > >> >> >> >> all
> >> > >> >> >> >> applications and DLLs that tightly ties the binary with a
> >> > >> >> >> >> specific
> >> > >> >> >> >> version
> >> > >> >> >> >> of the Microsoft C runtime library (msvcr80.dll, in this
> >case).
> >> > >> >> >> >> This DLL
> >> > >> >> >> >> has
> >> > >> >> >> >> to be just exactly the right version (specified in the
> >manifest)
> >> > >> >> >> >> and it
> >> > >> >> >> >> has
> >> > >> >> >> >> to be installed in the just right location (also
specified
> >in
> >> > >> >> >> >> the
> >> > >> >> >> >> manifest).
> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> >> The best way for you and other users to resolve these
issues
> >is
> >> > >> >> >> >> to
> >> > >> >> >> >> download
> >> > >> >> >> >> and run the following installer, which installs the
required
> >> > >> >> >> >> runtime
> >> > >> >> >> >> library
> >> > >> >> >> >> and other DLLs as "side by side" assemblies in the
Windows
> >> > >> >> >> >> directory:
> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> >>
>
>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=32BC1BEE-A3F9-4C13
-9C99-220B62A191EE&displaylang=en
> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> >> I recommend that you do this, and please let us all know
if
> >it
> >> > >> >> >> >> works!
> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> >> Alternatively, you could try to download msvcr80.dll from
> >> > >> >> >> >> http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/dll-files.shtml?msvcr80
> >and
> >> > >> >> >> >> copy
> >> > >> >> >> >> it
> >> > >> >> >> >> into
> >> > >> >> >> >> your Csound bin directory as a "private assembly". The
> >manifest
> >> > >> >> >> >> for
> >> > >> >> >> >> portaudio_x86.dll is:
> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> >> 
> >> > >> >> >> >>  >> > >> >> >> >> manifestVersion='1.0'>
> >> > >> >> >> >>   
> >> > >> >> >> >>     
> >> > >> >> >> >>        >name='Microsoft.VC80.CRT'
> >> > >> >> >> >> version='8.0.50608.0' processorArchitecture='x86'
> >> > >> >> >> >> publicKeyToken='1fc8b3b9a1e18e3b' />
> >> > >> >> >> >>     
> >> > >> >> >> >>   
> >> > >> >> >> >> 
> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> >> So, I think if you ended up with this it should work:
> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> >> csound/bin/Microsoft.VC80.CRT/msvcr80.dll
> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> >> I will attempt to put msvcr80.dll into the installer in
the
> >> > >> >> >> >> correct
> >> > >> >> >> >> directory as a private assembly. If that does not work, I
> >will
> >> > >> >> >> >> include
> >> > >> >> >> >> the
> >> > >> >> >> >> redistributable installer in the Csound installer.
> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> >> Hope this helps,
> >> > >> >> >> >> Mike
> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >> > --
> >> > >> >> >> > View this message in context:
> >> > >> >> >> >
>
>http://www.nabble.com/OSC-on-Windows-float-installers-tf4762094.html#a13623
974
> >> > >> >> >> > Sent from the Csound - Dev mailing list archive at
> >Nabble.com.
> >> > >> >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >>
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