Hi All,

I'm not exactly sure what's the way to handle this.  Running a CSD
using csbeats from within CsoundQT on OSX, the installer will be
putting csbeats into /usr/local/bin, but running the project within
CsoundQT doesn't find csbeats then.  However, if I manually copy
csbeats into /usr/bin, the project runs.  It seems to be a PATH issue.
 This is testing with OSX 10.7.

Now, /usr/local/bin isn't added to my $PATH in my ~/.profile.  I
imagine it is done elsewhere, and that is not getting sourced when
running a non-commandline app.

Any ideas on how to proceed?  (Also, has anyone tested this on non-OSX
CsoundQT?)

steven

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On 16/03/2012 16:22, Steven Yi wrote:
.
>
> Now, /usr/local/bin isn't added to my $PATH in my ~/.profile.  I
> imagine it is done elsewhere, and that is not getting sourced when
> running a non-commandline app.
>

On the Mac it is not put into PATH by default, you have to add it.

Richard Dobson


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Interesting, it looks like it is set in /etc/paths on my system. We're
installing commandline executables into /usr/local/bin.  I'm
wondering, is it preferred to have /usr/local/bin automatically added
to $PATH?  or just have the user set it? Or other alternative?  (And,
I guess /etc/paths is not used if not on the commandline, but within
an app?)

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Richard Dobson
 wrote:
> On 16/03/2012 16:22, Steven Yi wrote:
> .
>>
>> Now, /usr/local/bin isn't added to my $PATH in my ~/.profile.  I
>> imagine it is done elsewhere, and that is not getting sourced when
>> running a non-commandline app.
>>
>
> On the Mac it is not put into PATH by default, you have to add it.
>
> Richard Dobson
>
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I am sorry to say I have no idea how /etc/paths is used. I just added 
/usr/local/bin using .bash_profile (which I also have to add of course). 
  It may be present in 10.7 (which I don't have yet), but the note at 
the top of this page confirms that at least for 10.6 it is not included 
by default:

http://hpc.sourceforge.net

An installer script could check foo the presence of usr/local/bin and 
add it if not found. I tend to asssume the order of search paths is 
important, to the individual user if not otherwise, so that probably any 
addition should be at the end of the list.


Richard Dobson


On 16/03/2012 19:30, Steven Yi wrote:
> Interesting, it looks like it is set in /etc/paths on my system. We're
> installing commandline executables into /usr/local/bin.  I'm
> wondering, is it preferred to have /usr/local/bin automatically added
> to $PATH?  or just have the user set it? Or other alternative?  (And,
> I guess /etc/paths is not used if not on the commandline, but within
> an app?)
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Richard Dobson
>   wrote:
>> On 16/03/2012 16:22, Steven Yi wrote:
>> .
>>>
>>> Now, /usr/local/bin isn't added to my $PATH in my ~/.profile.  I
>>> imagine it is done elsewhere, and that is not getting sourced when
>>> running a non-commandline app.
>>>
>>
>> On the Mac it is not put into PATH by default, you have to add it.
>>
>> Richard Dobson
>>

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It seems to be tricky.  I was reading up:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/135688/setting-environment-variables-in-os-x/3756686#3756686

it seems there's some tricky things here, as running apps from
Spotlight doesn't load vars unless they're put in /etc/launchd.conf,
and that only comes into play after a restart of the computer.  Also
there are other options, but they seem to behave differently depending
on the version of OSX.

Another option is to install csbeats and others into /usr/bin instead
of /usr/local/bin.  I'm not sure any of these sound necessarily great,
but also I'm not sure what to do yet for the installer.

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Richard Dobson
 wrote:
> I am sorry to say I have no idea how /etc/paths is used. I just added
> /usr/local/bin using .bash_profile (which I also have to add of course).
>  It may be present in 10.7 (which I don't have yet), but the note at
> the top of this page confirms that at least for 10.6 it is not included
> by default:
>
> http://hpc.sourceforge.net
>
> An installer script could check foo the presence of usr/local/bin and
> add it if not found. I tend to asssume the order of search paths is
> important, to the individual user if not otherwise, so that probably any
> addition should be at the end of the list.
>
>
> Richard Dobson
>
>
> On 16/03/2012 19:30, Steven Yi wrote:
>> Interesting, it looks like it is set in /etc/paths on my system. We're
>> installing commandline executables into /usr/local/bin.  I'm
>> wondering, is it preferred to have /usr/local/bin automatically added
>> to $PATH?  or just have the user set it? Or other alternative?  (And,
>> I guess /etc/paths is not used if not on the commandline, but within
>> an app?)
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Richard Dobson
>>   wrote:
>>> On 16/03/2012 16:22, Steven Yi wrote:
>>> .
>>>>
>>>> Now, /usr/local/bin isn't added to my $PATH in my ~/.profile.  I
>>>> imagine it is done elsewhere, and that is not getting sourced when
>>>> running a non-commandline app.
>>>>
>>>
>>> On the Mac it is not put into PATH by default, you have to add it.
>>>
>>> Richard Dobson
>>>
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We could install it in /usr/ocal/bin and then instruct users to give the full path to the CSD



On 16 Mar 2012, at 22:40, Steven Yi wrote:

> It seems to be tricky.  I was reading up:
> 
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/135688/setting-environment-variables-in-os-x/3756686#3756686
> 
> it seems there's some tricky things here, as running apps from
> Spotlight doesn't load vars unless they're put in /etc/launchd.conf,
> and that only comes into play after a restart of the computer.  Also
> there are other options, but they seem to behave differently depending
> on the version of OSX.
> 
> Another option is to install csbeats and others into /usr/bin instead
> of /usr/local/bin.  I'm not sure any of these sound necessarily great,
> but also I'm not sure what to do yet for the installer.
> 
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Richard Dobson
>  wrote:
>> I am sorry to say I have no idea how /etc/paths is used. I just added
>> /usr/local/bin using .bash_profile (which I also have to add of course).
>>  It may be present in 10.7 (which I don't have yet), but the note at
>> the top of this page confirms that at least for 10.6 it is not included
>> by default:
>> 
>> http://hpc.sourceforge.net
>> 
>> An installer script could check foo the presence of usr/local/bin and
>> add it if not found. I tend to asssume the order of search paths is
>> important, to the individual user if not otherwise, so that probably any
>> addition should be at the end of the list.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard Dobson
>> 
>> 
>> On 16/03/2012 19:30, Steven Yi wrote:
>>> Interesting, it looks like it is set in /etc/paths on my system. We're
>>> installing commandline executables into /usr/local/bin.  I'm
>>> wondering, is it preferred to have /usr/local/bin automatically added
>>> to $PATH?  or just have the user set it? Or other alternative?  (And,
>>> I guess /etc/paths is not used if not on the commandline, but within
>>> an app?)
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Richard Dobson
>>>   wrote:
>>>> On 16/03/2012 16:22, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>> .
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now, /usr/local/bin isn't added to my $PATH in my ~/.profile.  I
>>>>> imagine it is done elsewhere, and that is not getting sourced when
>>>>> running a non-commandline app.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On the Mac it is not put into PATH by default, you have to add it.
>>>> 
>>>> Richard Dobson
>>>> 
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That could be a workaround for now until we research a bit further.
The issue with that though is that it'll mean the project isn't quite
cross platform, so I couldn't give it to someone with Windows for
example.  Perhaps though we could add /usr/local/bin to CsoundQT's
Info.plist:

https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/BPRuntimeConfig/Articles/EnvironmentVars.html

https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/General/Reference/InfoPlistKeyReference/Articles/LaunchServicesKeys.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40009250-SW1

I added the following in CsoundQt.app/Contents/Info.plist, just before
the last :

        LSEnvironment
        
           PATH
           /usr/local/bin
        

and that seemed to work.  Thoughts?

steven

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Victor Lazzarini
 wrote:
> We could install it in /usr/ocal/bin and then instruct users to give the full path to the CSD
> 
>
>
> On 16 Mar 2012, at 22:40, Steven Yi wrote:
>
>> It seems to be tricky.  I was reading up:
>>
>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/135688/setting-environment-variables-in-os-x/3756686#3756686
>>
>> it seems there's some tricky things here, as running apps from
>> Spotlight doesn't load vars unless they're put in /etc/launchd.conf,
>> and that only comes into play after a restart of the computer.  Also
>> there are other options, but they seem to behave differently depending
>> on the version of OSX.
>>
>> Another option is to install csbeats and others into /usr/bin instead
>> of /usr/local/bin.  I'm not sure any of these sound necessarily great,
>> but also I'm not sure what to do yet for the installer.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Richard Dobson
>>  wrote:
>>> I am sorry to say I have no idea how /etc/paths is used. I just added
>>> /usr/local/bin using .bash_profile (which I also have to add of course).
>>>  It may be present in 10.7 (which I don't have yet), but the note at
>>> the top of this page confirms that at least for 10.6 it is not included
>>> by default:
>>>
>>> http://hpc.sourceforge.net
>>>
>>> An installer script could check foo the presence of usr/local/bin and
>>> add it if not found. I tend to asssume the order of search paths is
>>> important, to the individual user if not otherwise, so that probably any
>>> addition should be at the end of the list.
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard Dobson
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16/03/2012 19:30, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>> Interesting, it looks like it is set in /etc/paths on my system. We're
>>>> installing commandline executables into /usr/local/bin.  I'm
>>>> wondering, is it preferred to have /usr/local/bin automatically added
>>>> to $PATH?  or just have the user set it? Or other alternative?  (And,
>>>> I guess /etc/paths is not used if not on the commandline, but within
>>>> an app?)
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Richard Dobson
>>>>   wrote:
>>>>> On 16/03/2012 16:22, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>>> .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, /usr/local/bin isn't added to my $PATH in my ~/.profile.  I
>>>>>> imagine it is done elsewhere, and that is not getting sourced when
>>>>>> running a non-commandline app.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On the Mac it is not put into PATH by default, you have to add it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Dobson
>>>>>
>>>
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Good solution. Maybe we should go with that.
On 16 Mar 2012, at 23:13, Steven Yi wrote:

> That could be a workaround for now until we research a bit further.
> The issue with that though is that it'll mean the project isn't quite
> cross platform, so I couldn't give it to someone with Windows for
> example.  Perhaps though we could add /usr/local/bin to CsoundQT's
> Info.plist:
> 
> https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/BPRuntimeConfig/Articles/EnvironmentVars.html
> 
> https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/General/Reference/InfoPlistKeyReference/Articles/LaunchServicesKeys.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40009250-SW1
> 
> I added the following in CsoundQt.app/Contents/Info.plist, just before
> the last :
> 
>        LSEnvironment
>        
>           PATH
>           /usr/local/bin
>        
> 
> and that seemed to work.  Thoughts?
> 
> steven
> 
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Victor Lazzarini
>  wrote:
>> We could install it in /usr/ocal/bin and then instruct users to give the full path to the CSD
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 16 Mar 2012, at 22:40, Steven Yi wrote:
>> 
>>> It seems to be tricky.  I was reading up:
>>> 
>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/135688/setting-environment-variables-in-os-x/3756686#3756686
>>> 
>>> it seems there's some tricky things here, as running apps from
>>> Spotlight doesn't load vars unless they're put in /etc/launchd.conf,
>>> and that only comes into play after a restart of the computer.  Also
>>> there are other options, but they seem to behave differently depending
>>> on the version of OSX.
>>> 
>>> Another option is to install csbeats and others into /usr/bin instead
>>> of /usr/local/bin.  I'm not sure any of these sound necessarily great,
>>> but also I'm not sure what to do yet for the installer.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Richard Dobson
>>>  wrote:
>>>> I am sorry to say I have no idea how /etc/paths is used. I just added
>>>> /usr/local/bin using .bash_profile (which I also have to add of course).
>>>>  It may be present in 10.7 (which I don't have yet), but the note at
>>>> the top of this page confirms that at least for 10.6 it is not included
>>>> by default:
>>>> 
>>>> http://hpc.sourceforge.net
>>>> 
>>>> An installer script could check foo the presence of usr/local/bin and
>>>> add it if not found. I tend to asssume the order of search paths is
>>>> important, to the individual user if not otherwise, so that probably any
>>>> addition should be at the end of the list.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Richard Dobson
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 16/03/2012 19:30, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>>> Interesting, it looks like it is set in /etc/paths on my system. We're
>>>>> installing commandline executables into /usr/local/bin.  I'm
>>>>> wondering, is it preferred to have /usr/local/bin automatically added
>>>>> to $PATH?  or just have the user set it? Or other alternative?  (And,
>>>>> I guess /etc/paths is not used if not on the commandline, but within
>>>>> an app?)
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Richard Dobson
>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>> On 16/03/2012 16:22, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Now, /usr/local/bin isn't added to my $PATH in my ~/.profile.  I
>>>>>>> imagine it is done elsewhere, and that is not getting sourced when
>>>>>>> running a non-commandline app.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On the Mac it is not put into PATH by default, you have to add it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Richard Dobson
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
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Hi,

I think this is an excellent solution. I've now added it to svn, but
haven't yet tested.

Thanks for looking into this.

Cheers,
Andrés

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:13 PM, Steven Yi  wrote:
> That could be a workaround for now until we research a bit further.
> The issue with that though is that it'll mean the project isn't quite
> cross platform, so I couldn't give it to someone with Windows for
> example.  Perhaps though we could add /usr/local/bin to CsoundQT's
> Info.plist:
>
> https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/BPRuntimeConfig/Articles/EnvironmentVars.html
>
> https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/General/Reference/InfoPlistKeyReference/Articles/LaunchServicesKeys.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40009250-SW1
>
> I added the following in CsoundQt.app/Contents/Info.plist, just before
> the last :
>
>        LSEnvironment
>        
>           PATH
>           /usr/local/bin
>        
>
> and that seemed to work.  Thoughts?
>
> steven
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Victor Lazzarini
>  wrote:
>> We could install it in /usr/ocal/bin and then instruct users to give the full path to the CSD
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 16 Mar 2012, at 22:40, Steven Yi wrote:
>>
>>> It seems to be tricky.  I was reading up:
>>>
>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/135688/setting-environment-variables-in-os-x/3756686#3756686
>>>
>>> it seems there's some tricky things here, as running apps from
>>> Spotlight doesn't load vars unless they're put in /etc/launchd.conf,
>>> and that only comes into play after a restart of the computer.  Also
>>> there are other options, but they seem to behave differently depending
>>> on the version of OSX.
>>>
>>> Another option is to install csbeats and others into /usr/bin instead
>>> of /usr/local/bin.  I'm not sure any of these sound necessarily great,
>>> but also I'm not sure what to do yet for the installer.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Richard Dobson
>>>  wrote:
>>>> I am sorry to say I have no idea how /etc/paths is used. I just added
>>>> /usr/local/bin using .bash_profile (which I also have to add of course).
>>>>  It may be present in 10.7 (which I don't have yet), but the note at
>>>> the top of this page confirms that at least for 10.6 it is not included
>>>> by default:
>>>>
>>>> http://hpc.sourceforge.net
>>>>
>>>> An installer script could check foo the presence of usr/local/bin and
>>>> add it if not found. I tend to asssume the order of search paths is
>>>> important, to the individual user if not otherwise, so that probably any
>>>> addition should be at the end of the list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Richard Dobson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 16/03/2012 19:30, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>>> Interesting, it looks like it is set in /etc/paths on my system. We're
>>>>> installing commandline executables into /usr/local/bin.  I'm
>>>>> wondering, is it preferred to have /usr/local/bin automatically added
>>>>> to $PATH?  or just have the user set it? Or other alternative?  (And,
>>>>> I guess /etc/paths is not used if not on the commandline, but within
>>>>> an app?)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Richard Dobson
>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>> On 16/03/2012 16:22, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, /usr/local/bin isn't added to my $PATH in my ~/.profile.  I
>>>>>>> imagine it is done elsewhere, and that is not getting sourced when
>>>>>>> running a non-commandline app.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the Mac it is not put into PATH by default, you have to add it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Richard Dobson
>>>>>>
>>>>
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