I haven't had time to do anything with csound5 yet - sorry! I really will!

The windows DLL stuff would be practically essential. Both the Csound API
itself (Csound as a library), and plugin opcodes, should be DLLs. I think
you should enable the macro.

============================================
Michael Gogins
gogins at pipeline period com
Irreducible Productions
CsoundVST, an extended version of Csound for programming music and sound
Available at http://sourceforge.net/projects/csound/
============================================


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John D. Ramsdell" 
To: "Csound Developers Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:19 AM
Subject: [CSOUND-DEV:3407] Re: Going without --with-gcc3


> I've been committing updates to the csound module in a way that does
> not break anyone.  You get ordinary csound behavior unless you type
> "autoreconf -i", in which case, you can try my experimental
> configure.ac and Makefile.am.  The current version of configure.ac is
> not done yet, but if you want to play with it, be my guest.  I'll send
> out a message when I'm looking for testers.  Once the configure script
> is solid, I'll help merge it with Micheal's configuration efforts in
> the csound5 module.  I have no idea where he is in that process.  I
> would like to explore the libtool features completely before moving
> the results into the csound5 module.  Help understanding the
> AC_LIBTOOL_WIN32_DLL autoconf macro would be greatly appreciated.
> Here is the info on it.  Should I enable it?
>
>  - Macro: AC_LIBTOOL_WIN32_DLL
>      This macro should be used if the package has been ported to build
>      clean dlls on win32 platforms.  Usually this means that any
>      library data items are exported with `__declspec(dllexport)' and
>      imported with `__declspec(dllimport)'.  If this macro is not used,
>      libtool will assume that the package libraries are not dll clean
>      and will build only static libraries on win32 hosts.
>
>      This macro must be called *before* `AC_PROG_LIBTOOL', and
>      provision must be made to pass `-no-undefined' to `libtool' in
>      link mode from the package `Makefile'.  Naturally, if you pass
>      `-no-undefined', you must ensure that all the library symbols
>      *really are* defined at link time!
>
> John
>
> John ffitch  writes:
>
> > Are you going to/have you committed that yet?
> > Sounds good
> > ==John
>

"Michael Gogins"  writes:

> I haven't had time to do anything with csound5 yet - sorry! I really
> will!

Perhaps this is a good thing.  Perhaps I was pursuing the wrong path
by asking John what he intended to do in the existing configure.in.
The question that should be answered before Michael works on csound5
configuration is what should configure.ac do to serve needs of the
developer community.  

I propose it should do the following:

For every platform that supports FLTK (i.e. makes available an
fltk-config script), use winFLTK.o and FL_graph.o as the graphing
objects, and widgets.o as the FLTK object, unless --with-fltk=no.
Also, define WINDOWS and HAVE_FLTK.

For every platform that does not support FLTK or when --with-fltk=no,
but does support X11, use winX11.o as the graphing object, and define
WINDOWS and HAVE_LIB_X11.

If WINDOWS is still not defined, and the operating system is some
flavor of Windows, use window.o as the graphing object (is this
right?) and define WINDOWS and something...

Finally, based on the operating system, select the appropriate
real-time audio object files, unless --with-rtaudio=no.  Also, define
RTAUDIO and a variable identifying the operating system.  I'm assuming
the host's architecture is never relevant, only its operating system.

Note that when HAVE_FLTK is defined, csound.c should use specify an
FLTK graphing routines by default, and when HAVE_LIB_X11 is true, it
should specify the X11 graphing routines by default.

> The windows DLL stuff would be practically essential. Both the Csound API
> itself (Csound as a library), and plugin opcodes, should be DLLs. I think
> you should enable the macro.

Yes, but does csound.c have to export items with
`__declspec(dllexport)' and import them with `__declspec(dllimport)'?
I admit I know little about Windows libraries.

John

CSounds.com seems to be down.

Does anyone have any info?

Thanks in advance,


Steve

It is not down really -- I can log onto it, and have just done so.  
Certainly mail services seem missing, and possibly other things
==John ff

Hi John R,

Thanks for the the info regarding automatically configuring for gcc3.  
It didn't quite work though: the setting of CFLAGS twice is obvious, but 
that the check and other things didn't produce the right results after 
aren't so obvious, and my shell scripting is not so strong and so I 
haven't spent time on it yet.  However, I'm certain you are correct with 
your assessment and it *will* work.  I'll try to fix it up and commit 
that stuff tonight when it's all worked out if you haven't gotten to it 
yourself.

Thanks again!

steven

It's back up here as well now, but most of the download areas are 
producing "file not found" errors. 

Do you know to whom I should report this?  Or are they in the middle of 
a change over?


Thanks in advance,


Steve



John ffitch wrote:

>It is not down really -- I can log onto it, and have just done so.  
>Certainly mail services seem missing, and possibly other things
>==John ff
>
>
>
>  
>

Dear Steve and Others,

Over the past week, I have contacted my hosting company to fix things four
different times.  Each time they fixed on thing, it seems that something
else busted.  The site seems to be up, but the email is still down.

Sorry about the inconvenience.  Hopefully they will fix things before
Monday.

Dr. B.

on 11/20/03 10:18 AM, Steve Kellogg at stevekellogg@mezzotechnologies.com
wrote:

> CSounds.com seems to be down.
> 
> Does anyone have any info?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> 
> Steve
> 
> 

_______________________________________________________________________
 +  Dr. Richard Boulanger, Professor
 +  Music Synthesis Department, Berklee College of Music
 +  1140 Boylston Street  - Boston, MA  02215-3693
 +  Office Phone: (617) 747-2485   Office Fax: (617) 747-2564
 +  eMail: rboulanger@csounds.com  or  rboulanger@berklee.edu
 +  WebPage: http://csounds.com/boulanger/
________________________________________________________________________
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 +  The Csound Catalog with Audio @ http://csounds.com/catalog/
 +  The Csound Book @ http://csounds.com/book/
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 +  CsoundMAXv2  @ http://csounds.com/csoundmax2/
 +  CsoundForums @ http://csounds.com/phpBB2/
________________________________________________________________________

Dear Steve, John, Gabriel, Michael, and Other Csound Developers,

I just got a call from my hosting company (Sunday at noon) and they have
fixed the server for me/us.  So, I think we are all set.  Hopefully there
won't be any problems for some time.

Looking forward to all your new code, innovations, and developments.

Dr. B.

on 11/22/03 11:07 AM, Dr. Richard Boulanger at rboulanger@csounds.com wrote:

> Dear Steve and Others,
> 
> Over the past week, I have contacted my hosting company to fix things four
> different times.  Each time they fixed on thing, it seems that something
> else busted.  The site seems to be up, but the email is still down.
> 
> Sorry about the inconvenience.  Hopefully they will fix things before
> Monday.
> 
> Dr. B.
> 
> on 11/20/03 10:18 AM, Steve Kellogg at stevekellogg@mezzotechnologies.com
> wrote:
> 
>> CSounds.com seems to be down.
>> 
>> Does anyone have any info?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________________________________
> +  Dr. Richard Boulanger, Professor
> +  Music Synthesis Department, Berklee College of Music
> +  1140 Boylston Street  - Boston, MA  02215-3693
> +  Office Phone: (617) 747-2485   Office Fax: (617) 747-2564
> +  eMail: rboulanger@csounds.com  or  rboulanger@berklee.edu
> +  WebPage: http://csounds.com/boulanger/
> ________________________________________________________________________
> +  Almost Everything Csound @ http://csounds.com/
> +  The Csound Catalog with Audio @ http://csounds.com/catalog/
> +  The Csound Book @ http://csounds.com/book/
> +  The Csound Magazine @ http://csounds.com/ezine/
> +  CsoundMAXv2  @ http://csounds.com/csoundmax2/
> +  CsoundForums @ http://csounds.com/phpBB2/
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 
> 

_______________________________________________________________________
 +  Dr. Richard Boulanger, Professor
 +  Music Synthesis Department, Berklee College of Music
 +  1140 Boylston Street  - Boston, MA  02215-3693
 +  Office Phone: (617) 747-2485   Office Fax: (617) 747-2564
 +  eMail: rboulanger@csounds.com  or  rboulanger@berklee.edu
 +  WebPage: http://csounds.com/boulanger/
________________________________________________________________________
 +  Almost Everything Csound @ http://csounds.com/
 +  The Csound Catalog with Audio @ http://csounds.com/catalog/
 +  The Csound Book @ http://csounds.com/book/
 +  The Csound Magazine @ http://csounds.com/ezine/
 +  CsoundMAXv2  @ http://csounds.com/csoundmax2/
 +  CsoundForums @ http://csounds.com/phpBB2/
________________________________________________________________________

Steve,

They told me on the phone today that they were in the middle of moving
cSounds.com from one server to another.  This might have explained the
problem.  Let me know if other things pop up.  According to their support
people, things should be all worked out now.

Dr. B.

 on 11/20/03 11:09 PM, Steve Kellogg at stevekellogg@mezzotechnologies.com
wrote:

> It's back up here as well now, but most of the download areas are
> producing "file not found" errors.
> 
> Do you know to whom I should report this?  Or are they in the middle of
> a change over?
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> John ffitch wrote:
> 
>> It is not down really -- I can log onto it, and have just done so.
>> Certainly mail services seem missing, and possibly other things
>> ==John ff
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
> 
> 

_______________________________________________________________________
 +  Dr. Richard Boulanger, Professor
 +  Music Synthesis Department, Berklee College of Music
 +  1140 Boylston Street  - Boston, MA  02215-3693
 +  Office Phone: (617) 747-2485   Office Fax: (617) 747-2564
 +  eMail: rboulanger@csounds.com  or  rboulanger@berklee.edu
 +  WebPage: http://csounds.com/boulanger/
________________________________________________________________________
 +  Almost Everything Csound @ http://csounds.com/
 +  The Csound Catalog with Audio @ http://csounds.com/catalog/
 +  The Csound Book @ http://csounds.com/book/
 +  The Csound Magazine @ http://csounds.com/ezine/
 +  CsoundMAXv2  @ http://csounds.com/csoundmax2/
 +  CsoundForums @ http://csounds.com/phpBB2/
________________________________________________________________________

Steve,

They told me on the phone today that they were in the middle of moving
cSounds.com from one server to another.  This might have explained the
problem.  Let me know if other things pop up.  According to their support
people, things should be all worked out now.

Dr. B.

 on 11/20/03 11:09 PM, Steve Kellogg at stevekellogg@mezzotechnologies.com
wrote:

  

It's back up here as well now, but most of the download areas are
producing "file not found" errors.

Do you know to whom I should report this?  Or are they in the middle of
a change over?


Thanks in advance,


Steve



John ffitch wrote:

    

It is not down really -- I can log onto it, and have just done so.
Certainly mail services seem missing, and possibly other things
==John ff



 

      

_______________________________________________________________________
 +  Dr. Richard Boulanger, Professor
 +  Music Synthesis Department, Berklee College of Music
 +  1140 Boylston Street  - Boston, MA  02215-3693
 +  Office Phone: (617) 747-2485   Office Fax: (617) 747-2564
 +  eMail: rboulanger@csounds.com  or  rboulanger@berklee.edu
 +  WebPage: http://csounds.com/boulanger/
________________________________________________________________________
 +  Almost Everything Csound @ http://csounds.com/
 +  The Csound Catalog with Audio @ http://csounds.com/catalog/
 +  The Csound Book @ http://csounds.com/book/
 +  The Csound Magazine @ http://csounds.com/ezine/
 +  CsoundMAXv2  @ http://csounds.com/csoundmax2/
 +  CsoundForums @ http://csounds.com/phpBB2/
________________________________________________________________________



  

Hi all
I wonder if someone has a waterphone at home. I'd love to try to model
something similar to that as it's a wonderful and hypnotic instrument
and of incredibly great complexity.
Any hints regarding the way the instrument works would be appreciated.
I'd intend to model it in Csound.

Josep M Comajuncosas 

PS. That crappy HTML mail... 

Hi Dr. B,

Thanks very much for getting things cleared up.  My email seems to be
working just fine now, so I'm off to catch up with the csound-dev list! 
=)

I should have the cvs article up today (most of it is written, just need
to proof and add some links).

Thanks!
steven

On Sun, 2003-11-23 at 09:25, Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:
> Steve,
> 
> They told me on the phone today that they were in the middle of moving
> cSounds.com from one server to another.  This might have explained the
> problem.  Let me know if other things pop up.  According to their support
> people, things should be all worked out now.
> 
> Dr. B.
> 
>  on 11/20/03 11:09 PM, Steve Kellogg at stevekellogg@mezzotechnologies.com
> wrote:
> 
> > It's back up here as well now, but most of the download areas are
> > producing "file not found" errors.
> > 
> > Do you know to whom I should report this?  Or are they in the middle of
> > a change over?
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> > 
> > 
> > Steve
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > John ffitch wrote:
> > 
> >> It is not down really -- I can log onto it, and have just done so.
> >> Certainly mail services seem missing, and possibly other things
> >> ==John ff
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>  
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________________________________
>  +  Dr. Richard Boulanger, Professor
>  +  Music Synthesis Department, Berklee College of Music
>  +  1140 Boylston Street  - Boston, MA  02215-3693
>  +  Office Phone: (617) 747-2485   Office Fax: (617) 747-2564
>  +  eMail: rboulanger@csounds.com  or  rboulanger@berklee.edu
>  +  WebPage: http://csounds.com/boulanger/
> ________________________________________________________________________
>  +  Almost Everything Csound @ http://csounds.com/
>  +  The Csound Catalog with Audio @ http://csounds.com/catalog/
>  +  The Csound Book @ http://csounds.com/book/
>  +  The Csound Magazine @ http://csounds.com/ezine/
>  +  CsoundMAXv2  @ http://csounds.com/csoundmax2/
>  +  CsoundForums @ http://csounds.com/phpBB2/
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 
>