Hi Michael,

The design process allows for a lot of flexibility but also for
thread-safety and performance.

* The ValueCacheable can be used for single items, such as wrapping a
slider or dropdown.
* The ValueCacheable can be used to do any number of items.  If the
app designer wants to do all value transfers to/from Csound, they can
do it in a single cacheable.  (The MultiTouch example shows this)
* The examples show ValueCacheables retrieving and storing the channel
pointer, then setting/getting from the channel pointer directly. This
is better for performance than using SetChannel or GetChannel does a
hash lookup of the channel each time a values sets/gets, rather than a
single one-time lookup.
* The cacheable is read from/written to at precise times, namely at
block boundaries.  This ensures the value is consistent for the
duration of the processing of the block.  This makes it safe for
threading.

In general, the user still has to use the API for getting channel
pointers if they are creating their own ValueCacheable.  The
ValueCacheable though adds a lifecycle to the process so that it
values will be initialized at start, things are cleaned up when Csound
stops, and values are read/written at block boundaries.  Also, common
bindings for widgets could be encapsulated and made reusable.

To note, while the CsoundObj API is designed around the
ValueCacheable, it is not necessary to use it.  The user has ultimate
discretion to ignore the cacheable system and use the standard Java
Csound API if they like, or build their own system on top of the
ValueCacheable if they have use cases that fall outside of the
original design.

I haven't done much WebView code since Android 1.5/1.6 era, so I'm not
sure if there is anything new for interoperability between the
WebView's JS code and the Java side.  It might be possible to create a
JavaScriptValueCacheable that could take in a function name for
reading and another for writing, then call into the webview via the JS
functions to transfer values.  It could go something like:

[in JS]

function jsCallbackFunctionName(value) {
   // update slider with value
}

var cacheable = cacheableFactory.createFloatCacheable("jsCallbackFunctionName");
cacheable.setValue(40);

where cacheableFactory would be some class to create cacheables and
would have CsoundObj wrapped in its constructor. So the Java-side
would prepare that with something like:

CacheableFactory cf = new CachableFactory(csoundObj);
webView.someFunctionToSetVar("cacheableFactory", cf);  // I don't
remember how interop works here...

Hope that's useful!
steven

On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Michael Gogins
 wrote:
> I have a question about the design for Csound channels in CsoundObj and
> CsoundAndroid.
>
> The context for my question is that I have placed a WebView into the Csound6
> app for Android. This WebView may contain an HTML 5 page loaded from a
>  element in the csd file. This page will contain both HTML markup
> and JavaScript code, including references to JavaScript libraries such as
> Three.js and dat.GUI. The Csound app will push into the JavaScript context
> of this page a reference to an interface to the running instance of Csound.
> The page may then use form widgets, OpenGL ES objects, touches, and whatnot
> to create events that JavaScript will handle and use to control Csound by
> calling methods on the Csound interface.
>
> The main jobs of the Csound interface will be:
>
> (1) To send signals to named Csound control channels.
> (2) To receive signals from named Csound control channels.
> (3) To schedule Csound score events for performance by the running Csound.
> (4) To send new orchestra Code to Csound for compilation (live coding).
>
> My question may now make sense. The CsoundObj and CsoundAndroid design for
> channels uses cached values. Why was this done instead of simply calling the
> Csound API (inherited by AndroidCsound) directly?
>
> Is thread safety a reason?
>
> Is setting up the values before Csound begins to run a reason?
>
> Any insight is appreciated.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
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> Irreducible Productions
> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>
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Very helpful indeed! Thanks a lot.

Best,
Mike

Btw Mike, I do plan on porting Cabbage to Android in the near future.
I do think however that your proposed plan will offer more
versatility. I might give it a go this week. I'll be sure to let you
know how it goes :)

On 26 June 2014 18:21, Michael Gogins  wrote:
> Very helpful indeed! Thanks a lot.
>
> Best,
> Mike
>
> On Jun 26, 2014 11:45 AM, "Steven Yi"  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> The design process allows for a lot of flexibility but also for
>> thread-safety and performance.
>>
>> * The ValueCacheable can be used for single items, such as wrapping a
>> slider or dropdown.
>> * The ValueCacheable can be used to do any number of items.  If the
>> app designer wants to do all value transfers to/from Csound, they can
>> do it in a single cacheable.  (The MultiTouch example shows this)
>> * The examples show ValueCacheables retrieving and storing the channel
>> pointer, then setting/getting from the channel pointer directly. This
>> is better for performance than using SetChannel or GetChannel does a
>> hash lookup of the channel each time a values sets/gets, rather than a
>> single one-time lookup.
>> * The cacheable is read from/written to at precise times, namely at
>> block boundaries.  This ensures the value is consistent for the
>> duration of the processing of the block.  This makes it safe for
>> threading.
>>
>> In general, the user still has to use the API for getting channel
>> pointers if they are creating their own ValueCacheable.  The
>> ValueCacheable though adds a lifecycle to the process so that it
>> values will be initialized at start, things are cleaned up when Csound
>> stops, and values are read/written at block boundaries.  Also, common
>> bindings for widgets could be encapsulated and made reusable.
>>
>> To note, while the CsoundObj API is designed around the
>> ValueCacheable, it is not necessary to use it.  The user has ultimate
>> discretion to ignore the cacheable system and use the standard Java
>> Csound API if they like, or build their own system on top of the
>> ValueCacheable if they have use cases that fall outside of the
>> original design.
>>
>> I haven't done much WebView code since Android 1.5/1.6 era, so I'm not
>> sure if there is anything new for interoperability between the
>> WebView's JS code and the Java side.  It might be possible to create a
>> JavaScriptValueCacheable that could take in a function name for
>> reading and another for writing, then call into the webview via the JS
>> functions to transfer values.  It could go something like:
>>
>> [in JS]
>>
>> function jsCallbackFunctionName(value) {
>>    // update slider with value
>> }
>>
>> var cacheable =
>> cacheableFactory.createFloatCacheable("jsCallbackFunctionName");
>> cacheable.setValue(40);
>>
>> where cacheableFactory would be some class to create cacheables and
>> would have CsoundObj wrapped in its constructor. So the Java-side
>> would prepare that with something like:
>>
>> CacheableFactory cf = new CachableFactory(csoundObj);
>> webView.someFunctionToSetVar("cacheableFactory", cf);  // I don't
>> remember how interop works here...
>>
>> Hope that's useful!
>> steven
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Michael Gogins
>>  wrote:
>> > I have a question about the design for Csound channels in CsoundObj and
>> > CsoundAndroid.
>> >
>> > The context for my question is that I have placed a WebView into the
>> > Csound6
>> > app for Android. This WebView may contain an HTML 5 page loaded from a
>> >  element in the csd file. This page will contain both HTML
>> > markup
>> > and JavaScript code, including references to JavaScript libraries such
>> > as
>> > Three.js and dat.GUI. The Csound app will push into the JavaScript
>> > context
>> > of this page a reference to an interface to the running instance of
>> > Csound.
>> > The page may then use form widgets, OpenGL ES objects, touches, and
>> > whatnot
>> > to create events that JavaScript will handle and use to control Csound
>> > by
>> > calling methods on the Csound interface.
>> >
>> > The main jobs of the Csound interface will be:
>> >
>> > (1) To send signals to named Csound control channels.
>> > (2) To receive signals from named Csound control channels.
>> > (3) To schedule Csound score events for performance by the running
>> > Csound.
>> > (4) To send new orchestra Code to Csound for compilation (live coding).
>> >
>> > My question may now make sense. The CsoundObj and CsoundAndroid design
>> > for
>> > channels uses cached values. Why was this done instead of simply calling
>> > the
>> > Csound API (inherited by AndroidCsound) directly?
>> >
>> > Is thread safety a reason?
>> >
>> > Is setting up the values before Csound begins to run a reason?
>> >
>> > Any insight is appreciated.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > -----------------------------------------------------
>> > Michael Gogins
>> > Irreducible Productions
>> > http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
>> > Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>> >
>> >
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What are you going to call it? Turnips?
========================
Dr Victor Lazzarini
Senior Lecturer
NUI Maynooth, Ireland
victor dot lazzarini at nuim dot ie




On 29 Jun 2014, at 16:21, Rory Walsh  wrote:

> Btw Mike, I do plan on porting Cabbage to Android in the near future.
> I do think however that your proposed plan will offer more
> versatility. I might give it a go this week. I'll be sure to let you
> know how it goes :)
> 
> On 26 June 2014 18:21, Michael Gogins  wrote:
>> Very helpful indeed! Thanks a lot.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Mike
>> 
>> On Jun 26, 2014 11:45 AM, "Steven Yi"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Michael,
>>> 
>>> The design process allows for a lot of flexibility but also for
>>> thread-safety and performance.
>>> 
>>> * The ValueCacheable can be used for single items, such as wrapping a
>>> slider or dropdown.
>>> * The ValueCacheable can be used to do any number of items.  If the
>>> app designer wants to do all value transfers to/from Csound, they can
>>> do it in a single cacheable.  (The MultiTouch example shows this)
>>> * The examples show ValueCacheables retrieving and storing the channel
>>> pointer, then setting/getting from the channel pointer directly. This
>>> is better for performance than using SetChannel or GetChannel does a
>>> hash lookup of the channel each time a values sets/gets, rather than a
>>> single one-time lookup.
>>> * The cacheable is read from/written to at precise times, namely at
>>> block boundaries.  This ensures the value is consistent for the
>>> duration of the processing of the block.  This makes it safe for
>>> threading.
>>> 
>>> In general, the user still has to use the API for getting channel
>>> pointers if they are creating their own ValueCacheable.  The
>>> ValueCacheable though adds a lifecycle to the process so that it
>>> values will be initialized at start, things are cleaned up when Csound
>>> stops, and values are read/written at block boundaries.  Also, common
>>> bindings for widgets could be encapsulated and made reusable.
>>> 
>>> To note, while the CsoundObj API is designed around the
>>> ValueCacheable, it is not necessary to use it.  The user has ultimate
>>> discretion to ignore the cacheable system and use the standard Java
>>> Csound API if they like, or build their own system on top of the
>>> ValueCacheable if they have use cases that fall outside of the
>>> original design.
>>> 
>>> I haven't done much WebView code since Android 1.5/1.6 era, so I'm not
>>> sure if there is anything new for interoperability between the
>>> WebView's JS code and the Java side.  It might be possible to create a
>>> JavaScriptValueCacheable that could take in a function name for
>>> reading and another for writing, then call into the webview via the JS
>>> functions to transfer values.  It could go something like:
>>> 
>>> [in JS]
>>> 
>>> function jsCallbackFunctionName(value) {
>>>   // update slider with value
>>> }
>>> 
>>> var cacheable =
>>> cacheableFactory.createFloatCacheable("jsCallbackFunctionName");
>>> cacheable.setValue(40);
>>> 
>>> where cacheableFactory would be some class to create cacheables and
>>> would have CsoundObj wrapped in its constructor. So the Java-side
>>> would prepare that with something like:
>>> 
>>> CacheableFactory cf = new CachableFactory(csoundObj);
>>> webView.someFunctionToSetVar("cacheableFactory", cf);  // I don't
>>> remember how interop works here...
>>> 
>>> Hope that's useful!
>>> steven
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Michael Gogins
>>>  wrote:
>>>> I have a question about the design for Csound channels in CsoundObj and
>>>> CsoundAndroid.
>>>> 
>>>> The context for my question is that I have placed a WebView into the
>>>> Csound6
>>>> app for Android. This WebView may contain an HTML 5 page loaded from a
>>>>  element in the csd file. This page will contain both HTML
>>>> markup
>>>> and JavaScript code, including references to JavaScript libraries such
>>>> as
>>>> Three.js and dat.GUI. The Csound app will push into the JavaScript
>>>> context
>>>> of this page a reference to an interface to the running instance of
>>>> Csound.
>>>> The page may then use form widgets, OpenGL ES objects, touches, and
>>>> whatnot
>>>> to create events that JavaScript will handle and use to control Csound
>>>> by
>>>> calling methods on the Csound interface.
>>>> 
>>>> The main jobs of the Csound interface will be:
>>>> 
>>>> (1) To send signals to named Csound control channels.
>>>> (2) To receive signals from named Csound control channels.
>>>> (3) To schedule Csound score events for performance by the running
>>>> Csound.
>>>> (4) To send new orchestra Code to Csound for compilation (live coding).
>>>> 
>>>> My question may now make sense. The CsoundObj and CsoundAndroid design
>>>> for
>>>> channels uses cached values. Why was this done instead of simply calling
>>>> the
>>>> Csound API (inherited by AndroidCsound) directly?
>>>> 
>>>> Is thread safety a reason?
>>>> 
>>>> Is setting up the values before Csound begins to run a reason?
>>>> 
>>>> Any insight is appreciated.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Mike
>>>> 
>>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>>> Michael Gogins
>>>> Irreducible Productions
>>>> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
>>>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> Turn processes into business applications with Bonita BPM Community
>>>> Edition
>>>> Quickly connect people, data, and systems into organized workflows
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>>> 
>>> 
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>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel
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That could lead to some confusion. I might just stick with Cabbage :)
You must be a little relieved after last night!? Had Chile a little
more self belief I think they could have won it. Let's see which Dutch
team shows up tonight. We'll either see a 90 minute kung-fu contest
led by Nigel De Jong, or an exhibition of football led by Robben and
Van Perie. You just never know with that team!

On 29 June 2014 17:25, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> What are you going to call it? Turnips?
> ========================
> Dr Victor Lazzarini
> Senior Lecturer
> NUI Maynooth, Ireland
> victor dot lazzarini at nuim dot ie
>
>
>
>
> On 29 Jun 2014, at 16:21, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>
>> Btw Mike, I do plan on porting Cabbage to Android in the near future.
>> I do think however that your proposed plan will offer more
>> versatility. I might give it a go this week. I'll be sure to let you
>> know how it goes :)
>>
>> On 26 June 2014 18:21, Michael Gogins  wrote:
>>> Very helpful indeed! Thanks a lot.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Jun 26, 2014 11:45 AM, "Steven Yi"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>>
>>>> The design process allows for a lot of flexibility but also for
>>>> thread-safety and performance.
>>>>
>>>> * The ValueCacheable can be used for single items, such as wrapping a
>>>> slider or dropdown.
>>>> * The ValueCacheable can be used to do any number of items.  If the
>>>> app designer wants to do all value transfers to/from Csound, they can
>>>> do it in a single cacheable.  (The MultiTouch example shows this)
>>>> * The examples show ValueCacheables retrieving and storing the channel
>>>> pointer, then setting/getting from the channel pointer directly. This
>>>> is better for performance than using SetChannel or GetChannel does a
>>>> hash lookup of the channel each time a values sets/gets, rather than a
>>>> single one-time lookup.
>>>> * The cacheable is read from/written to at precise times, namely at
>>>> block boundaries.  This ensures the value is consistent for the
>>>> duration of the processing of the block.  This makes it safe for
>>>> threading.
>>>>
>>>> In general, the user still has to use the API for getting channel
>>>> pointers if they are creating their own ValueCacheable.  The
>>>> ValueCacheable though adds a lifecycle to the process so that it
>>>> values will be initialized at start, things are cleaned up when Csound
>>>> stops, and values are read/written at block boundaries.  Also, common
>>>> bindings for widgets could be encapsulated and made reusable.
>>>>
>>>> To note, while the CsoundObj API is designed around the
>>>> ValueCacheable, it is not necessary to use it.  The user has ultimate
>>>> discretion to ignore the cacheable system and use the standard Java
>>>> Csound API if they like, or build their own system on top of the
>>>> ValueCacheable if they have use cases that fall outside of the
>>>> original design.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't done much WebView code since Android 1.5/1.6 era, so I'm not
>>>> sure if there is anything new for interoperability between the
>>>> WebView's JS code and the Java side.  It might be possible to create a
>>>> JavaScriptValueCacheable that could take in a function name for
>>>> reading and another for writing, then call into the webview via the JS
>>>> functions to transfer values.  It could go something like:
>>>>
>>>> [in JS]
>>>>
>>>> function jsCallbackFunctionName(value) {
>>>>   // update slider with value
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> var cacheable =
>>>> cacheableFactory.createFloatCacheable("jsCallbackFunctionName");
>>>> cacheable.setValue(40);
>>>>
>>>> where cacheableFactory would be some class to create cacheables and
>>>> would have CsoundObj wrapped in its constructor. So the Java-side
>>>> would prepare that with something like:
>>>>
>>>> CacheableFactory cf = new CachableFactory(csoundObj);
>>>> webView.someFunctionToSetVar("cacheableFactory", cf);  // I don't
>>>> remember how interop works here...
>>>>
>>>> Hope that's useful!
>>>> steven
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Michael Gogins
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> I have a question about the design for Csound channels in CsoundObj and
>>>>> CsoundAndroid.
>>>>>
>>>>> The context for my question is that I have placed a WebView into the
>>>>> Csound6
>>>>> app for Android. This WebView may contain an HTML 5 page loaded from a
>>>>>  element in the csd file. This page will contain both HTML
>>>>> markup
>>>>> and JavaScript code, including references to JavaScript libraries such
>>>>> as
>>>>> Three.js and dat.GUI. The Csound app will push into the JavaScript
>>>>> context
>>>>> of this page a reference to an interface to the running instance of
>>>>> Csound.
>>>>> The page may then use form widgets, OpenGL ES objects, touches, and
>>>>> whatnot
>>>>> to create events that JavaScript will handle and use to control Csound
>>>>> by
>>>>> calling methods on the Csound interface.
>>>>>
>>>>> The main jobs of the Csound interface will be:
>>>>>
>>>>> (1) To send signals to named Csound control channels.
>>>>> (2) To receive signals from named Csound control channels.
>>>>> (3) To schedule Csound score events for performance by the running
>>>>> Csound.
>>>>> (4) To send new orchestra Code to Csound for compilation (live coding).
>>>>>
>>>>> My question may now make sense. The CsoundObj and CsoundAndroid design
>>>>> for
>>>>> channels uses cached values. Why was this done instead of simply calling
>>>>> the
>>>>> Csound API (inherited by AndroidCsound) directly?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is thread safety a reason?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is setting up the values before Csound begins to run a reason?
>>>>>
>>>>> Any insight is appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Michael Gogins
>>>>> Irreducible Productions
>>>>> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
>>>>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> Turn processes into business applications with Bonita BPM Community
>>>>> Edition
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>>>>
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Good question, and I'll certainly need some help in understanding how
to pull it all together. For now I've managed to deploy a few simple
JUCE applications to Android. This turned out to be very simple but I
need to delve a little further to understand how it all works. You
guys know better that I how this technology works, but it looks like
JUCE provides hooks to generic JAVA functions that interface with the
OS. So the ability to run c/c++ code on Android is possible via the
NDK? The upside is I can use the exact same C++ code I use for Cabbage
on Android. That's all pretty neat for the GUI side of things, but I
assume it will a lot more work to link to Csound? Feedback is most
welcome!

On 29 June 2014 18:33, Michael Gogins  wrote:
> Cabbage on Android. Would that continue to use JUCE? Or would you base it on
> the CsoundObj class that I use? Or would you start from scratch?
>
> I should have this working in a day or so. I'm not finding that WebGL stuff
> shows up in the Android WebView on my devices, but JavaScript does work, so
> I'm pretty confident I can achieve my main goal, user-defined graphical
> interfaces for Csound on Android.
>
> If you plan to use CsoundObj (i.e. the CsoundAndroid library) let me know if
> there are any additional features you need.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Michael Gogins
> Irreducible Productions
> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>
>> That could lead to some confusion. I might just stick with Cabbage :)
>> You must be a little relieved after last night!? Had Chile a little
>> more self belief I think they could have won it. Let's see which Dutch
>> team shows up tonight. We'll either see a 90 minute kung-fu contest
>> led by Nigel De Jong, or an exhibition of football led by Robben and
>> Van Perie. You just never know with that team!
>>
>> On 29 June 2014 17:25, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>> > What are you going to call it? Turnips?
>> > ========================
>> > Dr Victor Lazzarini
>> > Senior Lecturer
>> > NUI Maynooth, Ireland
>> > victor dot lazzarini at nuim dot ie
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 29 Jun 2014, at 16:21, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Btw Mike, I do plan on porting Cabbage to Android in the near future.
>> >> I do think however that your proposed plan will offer more
>> >> versatility. I might give it a go this week. I'll be sure to let you
>> >> know how it goes :)
>> >>
>> >> On 26 June 2014 18:21, Michael Gogins  wrote:
>> >>> Very helpful indeed! Thanks a lot.
>> >>>
>> >>> Best,
>> >>> Mike
>> >>>
>> >>> On Jun 26, 2014 11:45 AM, "Steven Yi"  wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi Michael,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The design process allows for a lot of flexibility but also for
>> >>>> thread-safety and performance.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> * The ValueCacheable can be used for single items, such as wrapping a
>> >>>> slider or dropdown.
>> >>>> * The ValueCacheable can be used to do any number of items.  If the
>> >>>> app designer wants to do all value transfers to/from Csound, they can
>> >>>> do it in a single cacheable.  (The MultiTouch example shows this)
>> >>>> * The examples show ValueCacheables retrieving and storing the
>> >>>> channel
>> >>>> pointer, then setting/getting from the channel pointer directly. This
>> >>>> is better for performance than using SetChannel or GetChannel does a
>> >>>> hash lookup of the channel each time a values sets/gets, rather than
>> >>>> a
>> >>>> single one-time lookup.
>> >>>> * The cacheable is read from/written to at precise times, namely at
>> >>>> block boundaries.  This ensures the value is consistent for the
>> >>>> duration of the processing of the block.  This makes it safe for
>> >>>> threading.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In general, the user still has to use the API for getting channel
>> >>>> pointers if they are creating their own ValueCacheable.  The
>> >>>> ValueCacheable though adds a lifecycle to the process so that it
>> >>>> values will be initialized at start, things are cleaned up when
>> >>>> Csound
>> >>>> stops, and values are read/written at block boundaries.  Also, common
>> >>>> bindings for widgets could be encapsulated and made reusable.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> To note, while the CsoundObj API is designed around the
>> >>>> ValueCacheable, it is not necessary to use it.  The user has ultimate
>> >>>> discretion to ignore the cacheable system and use the standard Java
>> >>>> Csound API if they like, or build their own system on top of the
>> >>>> ValueCacheable if they have use cases that fall outside of the
>> >>>> original design.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I haven't done much WebView code since Android 1.5/1.6 era, so I'm
>> >>>> not
>> >>>> sure if there is anything new for interoperability between the
>> >>>> WebView's JS code and the Java side.  It might be possible to create
>> >>>> a
>> >>>> JavaScriptValueCacheable that could take in a function name for
>> >>>> reading and another for writing, then call into the webview via the
>> >>>> JS
>> >>>> functions to transfer values.  It could go something like:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> [in JS]
>> >>>>
>> >>>> function jsCallbackFunctionName(value) {
>> >>>>   // update slider with value
>> >>>> }
>> >>>>
>> >>>> var cacheable =
>> >>>> cacheableFactory.createFloatCacheable("jsCallbackFunctionName");
>> >>>> cacheable.setValue(40);
>> >>>>
>> >>>> where cacheableFactory would be some class to create cacheables and
>> >>>> would have CsoundObj wrapped in its constructor. So the Java-side
>> >>>> would prepare that with something like:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> CacheableFactory cf = new CachableFactory(csoundObj);
>> >>>> webView.someFunctionToSetVar("cacheableFactory", cf);  // I don't
>> >>>> remember how interop works here...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hope that's useful!
>> >>>> steven
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Michael Gogins
>> >>>>  wrote:
>> >>>>> I have a question about the design for Csound channels in CsoundObj
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>> CsoundAndroid.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The context for my question is that I have placed a WebView into the
>> >>>>> Csound6
>> >>>>> app for Android. This WebView may contain an HTML 5 page loaded from
>> >>>>> a
>> >>>>>  element in the csd file. This page will contain both HTML
>> >>>>> markup
>> >>>>> and JavaScript code, including references to JavaScript libraries
>> >>>>> such
>> >>>>> as
>> >>>>> Three.js and dat.GUI. The Csound app will push into the JavaScript
>> >>>>> context
>> >>>>> of this page a reference to an interface to the running instance of
>> >>>>> Csound.
>> >>>>> The page may then use form widgets, OpenGL ES objects, touches, and
>> >>>>> whatnot
>> >>>>> to create events that JavaScript will handle and use to control
>> >>>>> Csound
>> >>>>> by
>> >>>>> calling methods on the Csound interface.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The main jobs of the Csound interface will be:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> (1) To send signals to named Csound control channels.
>> >>>>> (2) To receive signals from named Csound control channels.
>> >>>>> (3) To schedule Csound score events for performance by the running
>> >>>>> Csound.
>> >>>>> (4) To send new orchestra Code to Csound for compilation (live
>> >>>>> coding).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> My question may now make sense. The CsoundObj and CsoundAndroid
>> >>>>> design
>> >>>>> for
>> >>>>> channels uses cached values. Why was this done instead of simply
>> >>>>> calling
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>> Csound API (inherited by AndroidCsound) directly?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Is thread safety a reason?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Is setting up the values before Csound begins to run a reason?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Any insight is appreciated.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>> Mike
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>> Michael Gogins
>> >>>>> Irreducible Productions
>> >>>>> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
>> >>>>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
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You can link to the libcsound.so library from JUCE C++ code I believe. Tarmo did something similar when building a QT example and didn't use any of the Java stuff.

Happy days. I'll let you know how I get on!

On 29 June 2014 19:30, Steven Yi  wrote:
> You can link to the libcsound.so library from JUCE C++ code I believe. Tarmo
> did something similar when building a QT example and didn't use any of the
> Java stuff.
>
> On Jun 29, 2014 1:23 PM, "Rory Walsh"  wrote:
>>
>> Good question, and I'll certainly need some help in understanding how
>> to pull it all together. For now I've managed to deploy a few simple
>> JUCE applications to Android. This turned out to be very simple but I
>> need to delve a little further to understand how it all works. You
>> guys know better that I how this technology works, but it looks like
>> JUCE provides hooks to generic JAVA functions that interface with the
>> OS. So the ability to run c/c++ code on Android is possible via the
>> NDK? The upside is I can use the exact same C++ code I use for Cabbage
>> on Android. That's all pretty neat for the GUI side of things, but I
>> assume it will a lot more work to link to Csound? Feedback is most
>> welcome!
>>
>> On 29 June 2014 18:33, Michael Gogins  wrote:
>> > Cabbage on Android. Would that continue to use JUCE? Or would you base
>> > it on
>> > the CsoundObj class that I use? Or would you start from scratch?
>> >
>> > I should have this working in a day or so. I'm not finding that WebGL
>> > stuff
>> > shows up in the Android WebView on my devices, but JavaScript does work,
>> > so
>> > I'm pretty confident I can achieve my main goal, user-defined graphical
>> > interfaces for Csound on Android.
>> >
>> > If you plan to use CsoundObj (i.e. the CsoundAndroid library) let me
>> > know if
>> > there are any additional features you need.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike
>> >
>> >
>> > -----------------------------------------------------
>> > Michael Gogins
>> > Irreducible Productions
>> > http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
>> > Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> That could lead to some confusion. I might just stick with Cabbage :)
>> >> You must be a little relieved after last night!? Had Chile a little
>> >> more self belief I think they could have won it. Let's see which Dutch
>> >> team shows up tonight. We'll either see a 90 minute kung-fu contest
>> >> led by Nigel De Jong, or an exhibition of football led by Robben and
>> >> Van Perie. You just never know with that team!
>> >>
>> >> On 29 June 2014 17:25, Victor Lazzarini 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > What are you going to call it? Turnips?
>> >> > ========================
>> >> > Dr Victor Lazzarini
>> >> > Senior Lecturer
>> >> > NUI Maynooth, Ireland
>> >> > victor dot lazzarini at nuim dot ie
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 29 Jun 2014, at 16:21, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Btw Mike, I do plan on porting Cabbage to Android in the near
>> >> >> future.
>> >> >> I do think however that your proposed plan will offer more
>> >> >> versatility. I might give it a go this week. I'll be sure to let you
>> >> >> know how it goes :)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 26 June 2014 18:21, Michael Gogins 
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>> Very helpful indeed! Thanks a lot.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Best,
>> >> >>> Mike
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Jun 26, 2014 11:45 AM, "Steven Yi"  wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Hi Michael,
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> The design process allows for a lot of flexibility but also for
>> >> >>>> thread-safety and performance.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> * The ValueCacheable can be used for single items, such as
>> >> >>>> wrapping a
>> >> >>>> slider or dropdown.
>> >> >>>> * The ValueCacheable can be used to do any number of items.  If
>> >> >>>> the
>> >> >>>> app designer wants to do all value transfers to/from Csound, they
>> >> >>>> can
>> >> >>>> do it in a single cacheable.  (The MultiTouch example shows this)
>> >> >>>> * The examples show ValueCacheables retrieving and storing the
>> >> >>>> channel
>> >> >>>> pointer, then setting/getting from the channel pointer directly.
>> >> >>>> This
>> >> >>>> is better for performance than using SetChannel or GetChannel does
>> >> >>>> a
>> >> >>>> hash lookup of the channel each time a values sets/gets, rather
>> >> >>>> than
>> >> >>>> a
>> >> >>>> single one-time lookup.
>> >> >>>> * The cacheable is read from/written to at precise times, namely
>> >> >>>> at
>> >> >>>> block boundaries.  This ensures the value is consistent for the
>> >> >>>> duration of the processing of the block.  This makes it safe for
>> >> >>>> threading.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> In general, the user still has to use the API for getting channel
>> >> >>>> pointers if they are creating their own ValueCacheable.  The
>> >> >>>> ValueCacheable though adds a lifecycle to the process so that it
>> >> >>>> values will be initialized at start, things are cleaned up when
>> >> >>>> Csound
>> >> >>>> stops, and values are read/written at block boundaries.  Also,
>> >> >>>> common
>> >> >>>> bindings for widgets could be encapsulated and made reusable.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> To note, while the CsoundObj API is designed around the
>> >> >>>> ValueCacheable, it is not necessary to use it.  The user has
>> >> >>>> ultimate
>> >> >>>> discretion to ignore the cacheable system and use the standard
>> >> >>>> Java
>> >> >>>> Csound API if they like, or build their own system on top of the
>> >> >>>> ValueCacheable if they have use cases that fall outside of the
>> >> >>>> original design.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I haven't done much WebView code since Android 1.5/1.6 era, so I'm
>> >> >>>> not
>> >> >>>> sure if there is anything new for interoperability between the
>> >> >>>> WebView's JS code and the Java side.  It might be possible to
>> >> >>>> create
>> >> >>>> a
>> >> >>>> JavaScriptValueCacheable that could take in a function name for
>> >> >>>> reading and another for writing, then call into the webview via
>> >> >>>> the
>> >> >>>> JS
>> >> >>>> functions to transfer values.  It could go something like:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> [in JS]
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> function jsCallbackFunctionName(value) {
>> >> >>>>   // update slider with value
>> >> >>>> }
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> var cacheable =
>> >> >>>> cacheableFactory.createFloatCacheable("jsCallbackFunctionName");
>> >> >>>> cacheable.setValue(40);
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> where cacheableFactory would be some class to create cacheables
>> >> >>>> and
>> >> >>>> would have CsoundObj wrapped in its constructor. So the Java-side
>> >> >>>> would prepare that with something like:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> CacheableFactory cf = new CachableFactory(csoundObj);
>> >> >>>> webView.someFunctionToSetVar("cacheableFactory", cf);  // I don't
>> >> >>>> remember how interop works here...
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Hope that's useful!
>> >> >>>> steven
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Michael Gogins
>> >> >>>>  wrote:
>> >> >>>>> I have a question about the design for Csound channels in
>> >> >>>>> CsoundObj
>> >> >>>>> and
>> >> >>>>> CsoundAndroid.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> The context for my question is that I have placed a WebView into
>> >> >>>>> the
>> >> >>>>> Csound6
>> >> >>>>> app for Android. This WebView may contain an HTML 5 page loaded
>> >> >>>>> from
>> >> >>>>> a
>> >> >>>>>  element in the csd file. This page will contain both
>> >> >>>>> HTML
>> >> >>>>> markup
>> >> >>>>> and JavaScript code, including references to JavaScript libraries
>> >> >>>>> such
>> >> >>>>> as
>> >> >>>>> Three.js and dat.GUI. The Csound app will push into the
>> >> >>>>> JavaScript
>> >> >>>>> context
>> >> >>>>> of this page a reference to an interface to the running instance
>> >> >>>>> of
>> >> >>>>> Csound.
>> >> >>>>> The page may then use form widgets, OpenGL ES objects, touches,
>> >> >>>>> and
>> >> >>>>> whatnot
>> >> >>>>> to create events that JavaScript will handle and use to control
>> >> >>>>> Csound
>> >> >>>>> by
>> >> >>>>> calling methods on the Csound interface.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> The main jobs of the Csound interface will be:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> (1) To send signals to named Csound control channels.
>> >> >>>>> (2) To receive signals from named Csound control channels.
>> >> >>>>> (3) To schedule Csound score events for performance by the
>> >> >>>>> running
>> >> >>>>> Csound.
>> >> >>>>> (4) To send new orchestra Code to Csound for compilation (live
>> >> >>>>> coding).
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> My question may now make sense. The CsoundObj and CsoundAndroid
>> >> >>>>> design
>> >> >>>>> for
>> >> >>>>> channels uses cached values. Why was this done instead of simply
>> >> >>>>> calling
>> >> >>>>> the
>> >> >>>>> Csound API (inherited by AndroidCsound) directly?
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Is thread safety a reason?
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Is setting up the values before Csound begins to run a reason?
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Any insight is appreciated.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>>> Mike
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>> >> >>>>> Michael Gogins
>> >> >>>>> Irreducible Productions
>> >> >>>>> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
>> >> >>>>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >>>>> Open source business process management suite built on Java and
>> >> >>>>> Eclipse
>> >> >>>>> Turn processes into business applications with Bonita BPM
>> >> >>>>> Community
>> >> >>>>> Edition
>> >> >>>>> Quickly connect people, data, and systems into organized
>> >> >>>>> workflows
>> >> >>>>> Winner of BOSSIE, CODIE, OW2 and Gartner awards
>> >> >>>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/Bonitasoft
>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >> >>>>> Csound-devel mailing list
>> >> >>>>> Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
>> >> >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >>>> Open source business process management suite built on Java and
>> >> >>>> Eclipse
>> >> >>>> Turn processes into business applications with Bonita BPM
>> >> >>>> Community
>> >> >>>> Edition
>> >> >>>> Quickly connect people, data, and systems into organized workflows
>> >> >>>> Winner of BOSSIE, CODIE, OW2 and Gartner awards
>> >> >>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/Bonitasoft
>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >> >>>> Csound-devel mailing list
>> >> >>>> Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
>> >> >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >>> Open source business process management suite built on Java and
>> >> >>> Eclipse
>> >> >>> Turn processes into business applications with Bonita BPM Community
>> >> >>> Edition
>> >> >>> Quickly connect people, data, and systems into organized workflows
>> >> >>> Winner of BOSSIE, CODIE, OW2 and Gartner awards
>> >> >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/Bonitasoft
>> >> >>> _______________________________________________
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>> >> >>> Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
>> >> >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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>> >> >> Open source business process management suite built on Java and
>> >> >> Eclipse
>> >> >> Turn processes into business applications with Bonita BPM Community
>> >> >> Edition
>> >> >> Quickly connect people, data, and systems into organized workflows
>> >> >> Winner of BOSSIE, CODIE, OW2 and Gartner awards
>> >> >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/Bonitasoft
>> >> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >> >> Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
>> >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> > Open source business process management suite built on Java and
>> >> > Eclipse
>> >> > Turn processes into business applications with Bonita BPM Community
>> >> > Edition
>> >> > Quickly connect people, data, and systems into organized workflows
>> >> > Winner of BOSSIE, CODIE, OW2 and Gartner awards
>> >> > http://p.sf.net/sfu/Bonitasoft
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>> >> > Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
>> >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel
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>> >>
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>> >> Turn processes into business applications with Bonita BPM Community
>> >> Edition
>> >> Quickly connect people, data, and systems into organized workflows
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>> >
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>> >
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>> > Turn processes into business applications with Bonita BPM Community
>> > Edition
>> > Quickly connect people, data, and systems into organized workflows
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>>
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>> Turn processes into business applications with Bonita BPM Community
>> Edition
>> Quickly connect people, data, and systems into organized workflows
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On 29 Jun 2014 11:39, "Rory Walsh"  wrote:
>
> That could lead to some confusion. I might just stick with Cabbage :)
> You must be a little relieved after last night!? Had Chile a little
> more self belief I think they could have won it.

I still cannot recover from losing that. We were *that* close!

Saludos

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And today's thoughts go to the Mexicans. They must feel absolutely robbe(en)d!

On 30 June 2014 16:04, Felipe Sateler  wrote:
> On 29 Jun 2014 11:39, "Rory Walsh"  wrote:
>>
>> That could lead to some confusion. I might just stick with Cabbage :)
>> You must be a little relieved after last night!? Had Chile a little
>> more self belief I think they could have won it.
>
> I still cannot recover from losing that. We were *that* close!
>
> Saludos
>
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I have finished this in a basic sort of way and pushed it to git.  Over the next few days I will polish it up and post it to SourceForge with an example. User defined sliders work fine, I'm not sure the WebGL stuff on Android is ready for prime time.

Regards,
Mike

That was the closest you’ll ever get.
========================
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Senior Lecturer
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On 30 Jun 2014, at 15:04, Felipe Sateler  wrote:

> On 29 Jun 2014 11:39, "Rory Walsh"  wrote:
>> 
>> That could lead to some confusion. I might just stick with Cabbage :)
>> You must be a little relieved after last night!? Had Chile a little
>> more self belief I think they could have won it.
> 
> I still cannot recover from losing that. We were *that* close!
> 
> Saludos
> 
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Written like you really believe it!

Did you not see the game? Chile were bowled over, and Brazil simply chucked their way through to the next round! (Is that good criket speak?!)

John was talking about sport; this is religion.
========================
Dr Victor Lazzarini
Senior Lecturer
NUI Maynooth, Ireland
victor dot lazzarini at nuim dot ie




On 30 Jun 2014, at 22:31, Rory Walsh  wrote:

> Did you not see the game? Chile were bowled over, and Brazil simply chucked their way through to the next round! (Is that good criket speak?!)
> 
> 
> On 30 Jun 2014 23:17,  wrote:
> I am confused -- New Zealand v West Indies?  Oxford U v Cambridge U?
> Not sure what you-all are saying
> 
> Quoting Rory Walsh :
> 
> > Written like you really believe it!
> >
> >  On 30 Jun 2014 21:58, "Victor Lazzarini"  wrote:
> >
> >> That was the closest you’ll ever get.
> >> ========================
> >> Dr Victor Lazzarini
> >> Senior Lecturer
> >> NUI Maynooth, Ireland
> >> victor dot lazzarini at nuim dot ie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 30 Jun 2014, at 15:04, Felipe Sateler  wrote:
> >>
> >> > On 29 Jun 2014 11:39, "Rory Walsh"  wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> That could lead to some confusion. I might just stick with Cabbage :)
> >> >> You must be a little relieved after last night!? Had Chile a little
> >> >> more self belief I think they could have won it.
> >> >
> >> > I still cannot recover from losing that. We were *that* close!
> >> >
> >> > Saludos
> >> >
> >> >
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >> > Turn processes into business applications with Bonita BPM Community
> >> Edition
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> >>
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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In that case they should rename the 'Christ the Redeemer' statue in Rio to 'Christ, the main striker up front in a 4-4-2 formation!' ;)

It’s a 4-3-3 actually. But it’s not Catholic at all.
========================
Dr Victor Lazzarini
Senior Lecturer
NUI Maynooth, Ireland
victor dot lazzarini at nuim dot ie




On 30 Jun 2014, at 23:17, Rory Walsh  wrote:

> In that case they should rename the 'Christ the Redeemer' statue in Rio to 'Christ, the main striker up front in a 4-4-2 formation!' ;)
> 
> 
> On 30 Jun 2014 23:35, "Victor Lazzarini"  wrote:
> John was talking about sport; this is religion.
> ========================
> Dr Victor Lazzarini
> Senior Lecturer
> NUI Maynooth, Ireland
> victor dot lazzarini at nuim dot ie
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 30 Jun 2014, at 22:31, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> 
> > Did you not see the game? Chile were bowled over, and Brazil simply chucked their way through to the next round! (Is that good criket speak?!)
> >
> >
> > On 30 Jun 2014 23:17,  wrote:
> > I am confused -- New Zealand v West Indies?  Oxford U v Cambridge U?
> > Not sure what you-all are saying
> >
> > Quoting Rory Walsh :
> >
> > > Written like you really believe it!
> > >
> > >  On 30 Jun 2014 21:58, "Victor Lazzarini"  wrote:
> > >
> > >> That was the closest you’ll ever get.
> > >> ========================
> > >> Dr Victor Lazzarini
> > >> Senior Lecturer
> > >> NUI Maynooth, Ireland
> > >> victor dot lazzarini at nuim dot ie
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 30 Jun 2014, at 15:04, Felipe Sateler  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > On 29 Jun 2014 11:39, "Rory Walsh"  wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> That could lead to some confusion. I might just stick with Cabbage :)
> > >> >> You must be a little relieved after last night!? Had Chile a little
> > >> >> more self belief I think they could have won it.
> > >> >
> > >> > I still cannot recover from losing that. We were *that* close!
> > >> >
> > >> > Saludos
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> > Open source business process management suite built on Java and Eclipse
> > >> > Turn processes into business applications with Bonita BPM Community
> > >> Edition
> > >> > Quickly connect people, data, and systems into organized workflows
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> > >> > http://p.sf.net/sfu/Bonitasoft
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> > >> > Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> > >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > >> Turn processes into business applications with Bonita BPM Community Edition
> > >> Quickly connect people, data, and systems into organized workflows
> > >> Winner of BOSSIE, CODIE, OW2 and Gartner awards
> > >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/Bonitasoft
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> > >> Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel
> > >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > Turn processes into business applications with Bonita BPM Community Edition
> > Quickly connect people, data, and systems into organized workflows
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> > Quickly connect people, data, and systems into organized workflows
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> 
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Returning to the original thread, I managed to build Cabbage for
Android. No Csound support just yet, it's the next thing to look at.
I'm quite impressed by how easy it was to port an entire C++ project
to Android using JUCE.

On 1 July 2014 00:28, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> It’s a 4-3-3 actually. But it’s not Catholic at all.
> ========================
> Dr Victor Lazzarini
> Senior Lecturer
> NUI Maynooth, Ireland
> victor dot lazzarini at nuim dot ie
>
>
>
>
> On 30 Jun 2014, at 23:17, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>
>> In that case they should rename the 'Christ the Redeemer' statue in Rio to 'Christ, the main striker up front in a 4-4-2 formation!' ;)
>>
>>
>> On 30 Jun 2014 23:35, "Victor Lazzarini"  wrote:
>> John was talking about sport; this is religion.
>> ========================
>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>> Senior Lecturer
>> NUI Maynooth, Ireland
>> victor dot lazzarini at nuim dot ie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 30 Jun 2014, at 22:31, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>
>> > Did you not see the game? Chile were bowled over, and Brazil simply chucked their way through to the next round! (Is that good criket speak?!)
>> >
>> >
>> > On 30 Jun 2014 23:17,  wrote:
>> > I am confused -- New Zealand v West Indies?  Oxford U v Cambridge U?
>> > Not sure what you-all are saying
>> >
>> > Quoting Rory Walsh :
>> >
>> > > Written like you really believe it!
>> > >
>> > >  On 30 Jun 2014 21:58, "Victor Lazzarini"  wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> That was the closest you’ll ever get.
>> > >> ========================
>> > >> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>> > >> Senior Lecturer
>> > >> NUI Maynooth, Ireland
>> > >> victor dot lazzarini at nuim dot ie
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On 30 Jun 2014, at 15:04, Felipe Sateler  wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > On 29 Jun 2014 11:39, "Rory Walsh"  wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> That could lead to some confusion. I might just stick with Cabbage :)
>> > >> >> You must be a little relieved after last night!? Had Chile a little
>> > >> >> more self belief I think they could have won it.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I still cannot recover from losing that. We were *that* close!
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Saludos
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > >> > Open source business process management suite built on Java and Eclipse
>> > >> > Turn processes into business applications with Bonita BPM Community
>> > >> Edition
>> > >> > Quickly connect people, data, and systems into organized workflows
>> > >> > Winner of BOSSIE, CODIE, OW2 and Gartner awards
>> > >> > http://p.sf.net/sfu/Bonitasoft
>> > >> > _______________________________________________
>> > >> > Csound-devel mailing list
>> > >> > Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
>> > >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> > >> Turn processes into business applications with Bonita BPM Community Edition
>> > >> Quickly connect people, data, and systems into organized workflows
>> > >> Winner of BOSSIE, CODIE, OW2 and Gartner awards
>> > >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/Bonitasoft
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>> > >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> > Turn processes into business applications with Bonita BPM Community Edition
>> > Quickly connect people, data, and systems into organized workflows
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>> > Quickly connect people, data, and systems into organized workflows
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>>
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