Sounds good, thanks.



On 18 Jan 2012, at 21:49, Tito Latini  wrote:

> I have written the `gendy' opcode from Nick Collins's Gendy1
> (SuperCollider), "an implementation of the dynamic stochastic synthesis
> generator conceived by Iannis Xenakis".
> 
> 
> ares gendy kamp, kadist, kddist, kadpar, kddpar, kminfreq, kmaxfreq, \
>           kampscl, kdurscl [, initcps] [, knum]
> 
> ares gendy2 kamp, kadist, kddist, kadpar, kddpar, kminfreq, kmaxfreq, \
>            kampscl, kdurscl, kcurveup, kcurvedown [, initcps] [, knum]
> 
> ares gendy3 kamp, kadist, kddist, kadpar, kddpar, kminfreq, kmaxfreq, \
>            kampscl, kdurscl [, initcps] [, knum]
> 
> 
> `gendy' is the classic version, `gendy3' idem but with cubic
> interpolation and `gendy2' is completely new. The waveform
> generated by gendy2 doesn't have segments but curves that we can
> modify through k-rate signals.
> 
> If it's useful, tomorrow I make some further tests and add it in git.
> 
> tito
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Interesting!  I'm curious though, the gendy routines are so very much
associated with Xenakis, I wonder about their usefulness as a general
opcode? It seems to me more of something that, say, if Xenakis was
alive and composing with Csound today, he would create using a custom
opcode library or just use UDO's as a part of a piece.

On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Victor  wrote:
> Sounds good, thanks.
>
>
>
> On 18 Jan 2012, at 21:49, Tito Latini  wrote:
>
>> I have written the `gendy' opcode from Nick Collins's Gendy1
>> (SuperCollider), "an implementation of the dynamic stochastic synthesis
>> generator conceived by Iannis Xenakis".
>>
>>
>> ares gendy kamp, kadist, kddist, kadpar, kddpar, kminfreq, kmaxfreq, \
>>           kampscl, kdurscl [, initcps] [, knum]
>>
>> ares gendy2 kamp, kadist, kddist, kadpar, kddpar, kminfreq, kmaxfreq, \
>>            kampscl, kdurscl, kcurveup, kcurvedown [, initcps] [, knum]
>>
>> ares gendy3 kamp, kadist, kddist, kadpar, kddpar, kminfreq, kmaxfreq, \
>>            kampscl, kdurscl [, initcps] [, knum]
>>
>>
>> `gendy' is the classic version, `gendy3' idem but with cubic
>> interpolation and `gendy2' is completely new. The waveform
>> generated by gendy2 doesn't have segments but curves that we can
>> modify through k-rate signals.
>>
>> If it's useful, tomorrow I make some further tests and add it in git.
>>
>> tito
>>
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By all means, please add it. People surely will find them useful.



On 18 Jan 2012, at 22:53, Tito Latini  wrote:

> In the doubt I don't add it
> 
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 05:14:59PM -0500, Steven Yi wrote:
>> Interesting!  I'm curious though, the gendy routines are so very much
>> associated with Xenakis, I wonder about their usefulness as a general
>> opcode? It seems to me more of something that, say, if Xenakis was
>> alive and composing with Csound today, he would create using a custom
>> opcode library or just use UDO's as a part of a piece.
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Victor  wrote:
>>> Sounds good, thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 18 Jan 2012, at 21:49, Tito Latini  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have written the `gendy' opcode from Nick Collins's Gendy1
>>>> (SuperCollider), "an implementation of the dynamic stochastic synthesis
>>>> generator conceived by Iannis Xenakis".
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ares gendy kamp, kadist, kddist, kadpar, kddpar, kminfreq, kmaxfreq, \
>>>>           kampscl, kdurscl [, initcps] [, knum]
>>>> 
>>>> ares gendy2 kamp, kadist, kddist, kadpar, kddpar, kminfreq, kmaxfreq, \
>>>>            kampscl, kdurscl, kcurveup, kcurvedown [, initcps] [, knum]
>>>> 
>>>> ares gendy3 kamp, kadist, kddist, kadpar, kddpar, kminfreq, kmaxfreq, \
>>>>            kampscl, kdurscl [, initcps] [, knum]
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> `gendy' is the classic version, `gendy3' idem but with cubic
>>>> interpolation and `gendy2' is completely new. The waveform
>>>> generated by gendy2 doesn't have segments but curves that we can
>>>> modify through k-rate signals.
>>>> 
>>>> If it's useful, tomorrow I make some further tests and add it in git.
>>>> 
>>>> tito
>>>> 
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On 01/18/2012 06:04 PM, Victor wrote:
> By all means, please add it. People surely will find them useful.
>
>

Yes, please !

Vote++.

Thanks again, Tito.

Best,

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My thoughts were more philosophical than technical. It seems others
will find it useful to add, so please proceed and do so.

Thanks,
steven

On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Tito Latini  wrote:
> In the doubt I don't add it
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 05:14:59PM -0500, Steven Yi wrote:
>> Interesting!  I'm curious though, the gendy routines are so very much
>> associated with Xenakis, I wonder about their usefulness as a general
>> opcode? It seems to me more of something that, say, if Xenakis was
>> alive and composing with Csound today, he would create using a custom
>> opcode library or just use UDO's as a part of a piece.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Victor  wrote:
>> > Sounds good, thanks.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 18 Jan 2012, at 21:49, Tito Latini  wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have written the `gendy' opcode from Nick Collins's Gendy1
>> >> (SuperCollider), "an implementation of the dynamic stochastic synthesis
>> >> generator conceived by Iannis Xenakis".
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ares gendy kamp, kadist, kddist, kadpar, kddpar, kminfreq, kmaxfreq, \
>> >>           kampscl, kdurscl [, initcps] [, knum]
>> >>
>> >> ares gendy2 kamp, kadist, kddist, kadpar, kddpar, kminfreq, kmaxfreq, \
>> >>            kampscl, kdurscl, kcurveup, kcurvedown [, initcps] [, knum]
>> >>
>> >> ares gendy3 kamp, kadist, kddist, kadpar, kddpar, kminfreq, kmaxfreq, \
>> >>            kampscl, kdurscl [, initcps] [, knum]
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> `gendy' is the classic version, `gendy3' idem but with cubic
>> >> interpolation and `gendy2' is completely new. The waveform
>> >> generated by gendy2 doesn't have segments but curves that we can
>> >> modify through k-rate signals.
>> >>
>> >> If it's useful, tomorrow I make some further tests and add it in git.
>> >>
>> >> tito
>> >>
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Looking forward to your fractalnoise opcode and to your next set of superCollider crossovers.

Sent from my iPad.

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> I'm glad for your (All) comments. Today I hope to conclude the tests
> and add it.
> 
> I have others opcodes that I use with csound but I can add them the
> next week, always with your consent.
> 
>  ares fractalnoise kbeta        (written in faust)
> 
>     kbeta usually varies between 0 and 2:
> 
>       0       white noise
>       1       pink
>       ~ 1.4   fractal    (for example it's useful for
>                           elasto-plastic model of the friction, etc)
>       2       brown
> 
> 
>  sc porting dust, dust2, lag and lagud, very simple but I find them useful
> 
> I don't know where to add the code, in Opcodes/ or in Opcodes/somedirectory.
> 
> I have written a sc client in common lisp with a live coding system
> inspired to Julian Rohrhuber'JITLib. I haven't released it yet because
> the scheduler is common music rts but it's not mantained anymore, so I
> have rewritten the scheduler in cl (c+lisp) based on sc3 but I still
> have to replace it. I would like to use the same code for cl-csound
> with the same livecoding system. I should write a csound parser in cl
> and the possibility to (de)alloc instruments in rt. I have everything
> in my head but the life is complicated here.
> 
> Just for fun I have added common lisp (ecl) in csound (ala lua)
> but it's incomplete. If I run csound in rt and press C-c, I get
> a REPL for debugging, yeah. Oh, I have added csound in sc3 as plugin
> + a CsoundServer class (I used it one day and don't think that it's
> useful :)))
> 
> I can add 1, 10, 100, 1000 opcodes to csound and my neighbor will
> always look me equally, then I add only if they can strengthen csound.
> 
> Steven, your opinions, criticism, suggestions etc are always welcome
> and pleasant. It's worth for everybody.
> 
> 
> gendy is an UDO, UDO is an opcode, therefore gendy is an opcode.
> 
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It does not matter, as long as it is under Opcodes. If you find it useful to put it all together, you can do a subdirectory.
Ah, and please add them as internal rather than plugin if there are no external dependencies. This is the current policy.

I'm glad that you are contributing these. Thanks.

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> I don't know where to add the code, in Opcodes/ or in Opcodes/somedirectory.

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Regarding de-allocation of instruments etc., this is the next step, I hope you can help us out in achieving it. 
The plan is this

1) release 5.16 with new parser as default (Feb 3)
2) make 5.16 the last 'feature' release, carrying on with just bugfix releases for Csound 5
3) start working on Csound 6, which will break binary compatibility with Csound 5 (but of course it will always be backwards compatible with
old csound code). 
   - revision of the API
   - on-the-fly compilation, loading, unloading of instruments
   - separation of compiler and engine
   - 'compiled' orchestra representation for serialisation and loading of compiled code
   - other smaller internal changes (asynchronous file IO interface etc, opcodes holding their own output buffers, etc).
  there must be a list somewhere of what we planned to do in Hannover.
  
I am not sure of the timescale for this, but let's say 6-9 months. First release of Csound 6 sometime September - October 2012 (maybe at the next CsoundCon?)

Victor


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> inspired to Julian Rohrhuber'JITLib. I haven't released it yet because
> the scheduler is common music rts but it's not mantained anymore, so I
> have rewritten the scheduler in cl (c+lisp) based on sc3 but I still
> have to replace it. I would like to use the same code for cl-csound
> with the same livecoding system. I should write a csound parser in cl
> and the possibility to (de)alloc instruments in rt. I have everything
> in my head but the life is complicated here.

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I only wished.
On 19 Jan 2012, at 11:03, Tito Latini wrote:

> Thanks Victor, you always have an answer for everything
> 
> tito
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I started to write gendy functionality in the early 1990s but never got
them to work/found time to finish them..  I would like to see them
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Also, Tito, if you do not mind it would be nice to have the other projects you mentioned added to the csound sources:

1 The CL wrapper (in interfaces)
2 The supercollider class (in frontends). I had planned this a while ago, but never had the time to do it. It is great that you have done it.

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>> Talking about porting SC ugens to Csound. I made a GaussTrig UDO (
>> http://www.csounds.com/udo/displayOpcode.php?opcode_id=159) but I'm sure it
>> could be much more efficient if it was a real opcode.
> 
> The code is very simple, I can put it in tail
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No particular application, but just because it can be useful to people. You never know, csound users will find the most crazy applications no one else have thought before.



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> Or you perhaps intended cl-csound for livecoding
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There already is a Lisp interface to Csound, using cffi.

Regards,
Mike

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> never know, csound users will find the most crazy applications no one else
> have thought before.
>
>
>
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>
>> Or you perhaps intended cl-csound for livecoding
>>
>> tito
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Yes, i know but it has not been maintained and the last time I tried it was not working properly.



On 19 Jan 2012, at 18:14, Michael Gogins  wrote:

> There already is a Lisp interface to Csound, using cffi.
> 
> Regards,
> Mike
> 
> On 1/19/12, Victor  wrote:
>> No particular application, but just because it can be useful to people. You
>> never know, csound users will find the most crazy applications no one else
>> have thought before.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 19 Jan 2012, at 17:53, Tito Latini  wrote:
>> 
>>> Or you perhaps intended cl-csound for livecoding
>>> 
>>> tito
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Good. What about sc CsoundServer?


On 19 Jan 2012, at 18:15, Tito Latini  wrote:

>> No particular application, but just because it can be useful to people. You never know, csound users will find the most crazy applications no one else have thought before.
> 
> ok, I will also consider the crazy code;
> cl-csound after csound-6
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On 01/19/2012 01:06 PM, Victor wrote:
> No particular application, but just because it can be useful to people. You never know, csound users will find the most crazy applications no one else have thought before.
>

Credo:

"The street tries to find its own uses for things, Mr. Turner."

from William Gibson's Count Zero.

Best,

dp



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I would love to have Tito's 10000 new opcodes added to Csound.

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On Jan 19, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Dave Phillips  wrote:

> On 01/19/2012 01:06 PM, Victor wrote:
>> No particular application, but just because it can be useful to people. You never know, csound users will find the most crazy applications no one else have thought before.
>> 
> 
> Credo:
> 
> "The street tries to find its own uses for things, Mr. Turner."
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> from William Gibson's Count Zero.
> 
> Best,
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This reminds me that we may want to look at implementing namespaces in csound 6. :)

As long as there are man pages and example .csd files.  All will inspire and find a musical home.

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>> I would love to have Tito's 10000 new opcodes added to Csound.
> 
> A git explosion!! Then we have to find a trick to remember them
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sounds fantastic - thanks to all the developers for their great work!
	joachim

Am 19.01.2012 11:33, schrieb Victor Lazzarini:
> 
> Regarding de-allocation of instruments etc., this is the next step, I hope you can help us out in achieving it. 
> The plan is this
> 
> 1) release 5.16 with new parser as default (Feb 3)
> 2) make 5.16 the last 'feature' release, carrying on with just bugfix releases for Csound 5
> 3) start working on Csound 6, which will break binary compatibility with Csound 5 (but of course it will always be backwards compatible with
> old csound code). 
>    - revision of the API
>    - on-the-fly compilation, loading, unloading of instruments
>    - separation of compiler and engine
>    - 'compiled' orchestra representation for serialisation and loading of compiled code
>    - other smaller internal changes (asynchronous file IO interface etc, opcodes holding their own output buffers, etc).
>   there must be a list somewhere of what we planned to do in Hannover.
>   
> I am not sure of the timescale for this, but let's say 6-9 months. First release of Csound 6 sometime September - October 2012 (maybe at the next CsoundCon?)
> 
> Victor
> 
> 
> On 19 Jan 2012, at 08:47, Tito Latini wrote:
> 
>> I have written a sc client in common lisp with a live coding system
>> inspired to Julian Rohrhuber'JITLib. I haven't released it yet because
>> the scheduler is common music rts but it's not mantained anymore, so I
>> have rewritten the scheduler in cl (c+lisp) based on sc3 but I still
>> have to replace it. I would like to use the same code for cl-csound
>> with the same livecoding system. I should write a csound parser in cl
>> and the possibility to (de)alloc instruments in rt. I have everything
>> in my head but the life is complicated here.
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Another possibility for cs6, totally remove the power-of-2 table
size.  It really confuses and the cpu cost is I suspect small

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In other words, make oscili an alias to poscil? And table to tab? etc?

Victor

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> size.  It really confuses and the cpu cost is I suspect small
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In fact floating-point maths is faster than integer maths in my computer:

1000s of oscili  -> Elapsed time at end of performance: real: 0.912s, CPU: 0.910s

1000s of poscil -> Elapsed time at end of performance: real: 0.759s, CPU: 0.757s

Let's remove this! Can we do it in Csound 5.16?

Victor


On 20 Jan 2012, at 14:39, Victor Lazzarini wrote:

> In other words, make oscili an alias to poscil? And table to tab? etc?
> 
> Victor
> 
> On 20 Jan 2012, at 14:24, john ffitch wrote:
> 
>> Another possibility for cs6, totally remove the power-of-2 table
>> size.  It really confuses and the cpu cost is I suspect small
>> 
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This would be great.

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Please in 5.16

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On Jan 20, 2012, at 9:46 AM, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:

> In fact floating-point maths is faster than integer maths in my computer:
> 
> 1000s of oscili  -> Elapsed time at end of performance: real: 0.912s, CPU: 0.910s
> 
> 1000s of poscil -> Elapsed time at end of performance: real: 0.759s, CPU: 0.757s
> 
> Let's remove this! Can we do it in Csound 5.16?
> 
> Victor
> 
> 
> On 20 Jan 2012, at 14:39, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
> 
>> In other words, make oscili an alias to poscil? And table to tab? etc?
>> 
>> Victor
>> 
>> On 20 Jan 2012, at 14:24, john ffitch wrote:
>> 
>>> Another possibility for cs6, totally remove the power-of-2 table
>>> size.  It really confuses and the cpu cost is I suspect small
>>> 
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Question: what's being removed?  Also, won't aliasing oscili to poscil
change the sound of older pieces?

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Victor Lazzarini
 wrote:
> In fact floating-point maths is faster than integer maths in my computer:
>
> 1000s of oscili  -> Elapsed time at end of performance: real: 0.912s, CPU: 0.910s
>
> 1000s of poscil -> Elapsed time at end of performance: real: 0.759s, CPU: 0.757s
>
> Let's remove this! Can we do it in Csound 5.16?
>
> Victor
>
>
> On 20 Jan 2012, at 14:39, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>
>> In other words, make oscili an alias to poscil? And table to tab? etc?
>>
>> Victor
>>
>> On 20 Jan 2012, at 14:24, john ffitch wrote:
>>
>>> Another possibility for cs6, totally remove the power-of-2 table
>>> size.  It really confuses and the cpu cost is I suspect small
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We might not exactly alias, but the two codes will be the same as they will be using floating-point indexes. It should not change any older pieces, because the output of the oscillators will be very similar. Inevitably as double precision floats give more precise indexing than the 32-bit integer maths used, there might be some improvement in audio quality in some cases.

Regards

Victor

On 20 Jan 2012, at 16:51, Steven Yi wrote:

> Question: what's being removed?  Also, won't aliasing oscili to poscil
> change the sound of older pieces?
> 
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Victor Lazzarini
>  wrote:
>> In fact floating-point maths is faster than integer maths in my computer:
>> 
>> 1000s of oscili  -> Elapsed time at end of performance: real: 0.912s, CPU: 0.910s
>> 
>> 1000s of poscil -> Elapsed time at end of performance: real: 0.759s, CPU: 0.757s
>> 
>> Let's remove this! Can we do it in Csound 5.16?
>> 
>> Victor
>> 
>> 
>> On 20 Jan 2012, at 14:39, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>> 
>>> In other words, make oscili an alias to poscil? And table to tab? etc?
>>> 
>>> Victor
>>> 
>>> On 20 Jan 2012, at 14:24, john ffitch wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Another possibility for cs6, totally remove the power-of-2 table
>>>> size.  It really confuses and the cpu cost is I suspect small
>>>> 
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and... also - depending on my speakers and my audio interface, there is a difference in the "sound" of my older Csound pieces and instruments too.
I am not sure that this would be a reason not to "enhance" certain opcodes or the fidelity of the system as a whole.  Good luck with all this great work
and the moving forward plans - to Csound6.

Rick

On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:25 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:

> We might not exactly alias, but the two codes will be the same as they will be using floating-point indexes. It should not change any older pieces, because the output of the oscillators will be very similar. Inevitably as double precision floats give more precise indexing than the 32-bit integer maths used, there might be some improvement in audio quality in some cases.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Victor
> 
> On 20 Jan 2012, at 16:51, Steven Yi wrote:
> 
>> Question: what's being removed?  Also, won't aliasing oscili to poscil
>> change the sound of older pieces?
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Victor Lazzarini
>>  wrote:
>>> In fact floating-point maths is faster than integer maths in my computer:
>>> 
>>> 1000s of oscili  -> Elapsed time at end of performance: real: 0.912s, CPU: 0.910s
>>> 
>>> 1000s of poscil -> Elapsed time at end of performance: real: 0.759s, CPU: 0.757s
>>> 
>>> Let's remove this! Can we do it in Csound 5.16?
>>> 
>>> Victor
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 20 Jan 2012, at 14:39, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>> 
>>>> In other words, make oscili an alias to poscil? And table to tab? etc?
>>>> 
>>>> Victor
>>>> 
>>>> On 20 Jan 2012, at 14:24, john ffitch wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Another possibility for cs6, totally remove the power-of-2 table
>>>>> size.  It really confuses and the cpu cost is I suspect small
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Hi,

Wouldn't the opposite be true in platforms that perform better for
integer math, like ARM? I don't know about these things, so I'm just
wondering.

Cheers,
Andrés

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Victor Lazzarini
 wrote:
> In fact floating-point maths is faster than integer maths in my computer:
>
> 1000s of oscili  -> Elapsed time at end of performance: real: 0.912s, CPU: 0.910s
>
> 1000s of poscil -> Elapsed time at end of performance: real: 0.759s, CPU: 0.757s
>
> Let's remove this! Can we do it in Csound 5.16?
>
> Victor
>
>
> On 20 Jan 2012, at 14:39, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>
>> In other words, make oscili an alias to poscil? And table to tab? etc?
>>
>> Victor
>>
>> On 20 Jan 2012, at 14:24, john ffitch wrote:
>>
>>> Another possibility for cs6, totally remove the power-of-2 table
>>> size.  It really confuses and the cpu cost is I suspect small
>>>
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If there is weak support for floating-point operations,  Csound performance would be severely compromised in any case, so I don't think this is applicable.

Victor
On 20 Jan 2012, at 20:44, Andres Cabrera wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Wouldn't the opposite be true in platforms that perform better for
> integer math, like ARM? I don't know about these things, so I'm just
> wondering.
> 
> Cheers,
> Andrés
> 
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Victor Lazzarini
>  wrote:
>> In fact floating-point maths is faster than integer maths in my computer:
>> 
>> 1000s of oscili  -> Elapsed time at end of performance: real: 0.912s, CPU: 0.910s
>> 
>> 1000s of poscil -> Elapsed time at end of performance: real: 0.759s, CPU: 0.757s
>> 
>> Let's remove this! Can we do it in Csound 5.16?
>> 
>> Victor
>> 
>> 
>> On 20 Jan 2012, at 14:39, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>> 
>>> In other words, make oscili an alias to poscil? And table to tab? etc?
>>> 
>>> Victor
>>> 
>>> On 20 Jan 2012, at 14:24, john ffitch wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Another possibility for cs6, totally remove the power-of-2 table
>>>> size.  It really confuses and the cpu cost is I suspect small
>>>> 
>>>> ==John ffitch
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I am rather skeptical about this.

Yes, for 1000s oscilators I get 2.74s for oscili anf 2.53 for poscil,
but....  I tried oscili poscil, oscil3 and poscil3 on a 64bt computer and
a 32 bit computer

oscili
poscil
oscil3
poscil4

oscili

> In fact floating-point maths is faster than integer maths in my computer:
>
> 1000s of oscili  -> Elapsed time at end of performance: real: 0.912s, CPU:
> 0.910s
>
> 1000s of poscil -> Elapsed time at end of performance: real: 0.759s, CPU:
> 0.757s
>
> Let's remove this! Can we do it in Csound 5.16?
>
> Victor
>
>


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Hi Victor,

Also looking forward to this!

I think it might be a good idea to compile all these in the wiki:
https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/csound/index.php?title=RFC_Improvements

I've added some other of my wishes to the list, like debugging and
better error reporting.

Cheers,
Andres

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Victor Lazzarini
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>
> Regarding de-allocation of instruments etc., this is the next step, I hope you can help us out in achieving it.
> The plan is this
>
> 1) release 5.16 with new parser as default (Feb 3)
> 2) make 5.16 the last 'feature' release, carrying on with just bugfix releases for Csound 5
> 3) start working on Csound 6, which will break binary compatibility with Csound 5 (but of course it will always be backwards compatible with
> old csound code).
>   - revision of the API
>   - on-the-fly compilation, loading, unloading of instruments
>   - separation of compiler and engine
>   - 'compiled' orchestra representation for serialisation and loading of compiled code
>   - other smaller internal changes (asynchronous file IO interface etc, opcodes holding their own output buffers, etc).
>  there must be a list somewhere of what we planned to do in Hannover.
>
> I am not sure of the timescale for this, but let's say 6-9 months. First release of Csound 6 sometime September - October 2012 (maybe at the next CsoundCon?)
>
> Victor
>
>
> On 19 Jan 2012, at 08:47, Tito Latini wrote:
>
>> I have written a sc client in common lisp with a live coding system
>> inspired to Julian Rohrhuber'JITLib. I haven't released it yet because
>> the scheduler is common music rts but it's not mantained anymore, so I
>> have rewritten the scheduler in cl (c+lisp) based on sc3 but I still
>> have to replace it. I would like to use the same code for cl-csound
>> with the same livecoding system. I should write a csound parser in cl
>> and the possibility to (de)alloc instruments in rt. I have everything
>> in my head but the life is complicated here.
>
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