We cannot break backwards compatibility. I don't see
how this can be done without breaking anything. I would
leave as it is.
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From: "Rory Walsh" 
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> It would be nice to agree some kind of standard as more people are using
> the API now then ever. Having the system compatible would be a step in
> the right direction IMO, what do others think?
>
>
> matt ingalls wrote:
>> well.. i hesitate to join in this discussion because i am still bitter
>> about this... but since we are going of the history:
>>
>> i added invalue/outvalue around 2000 or something like that -  it was in
>> my original API, even before i merged with Michael's.  It looks like
>> those functions were finally rolled into canonical in 2002.   ( BTW
>> invalue/outvalue can use numbers OR strings for the channel name. )
>>
>> It is a real shame that the invalue/outvalue system was just not added
>> to (even after my multiple pleas and offer to add my host's code to
>> handle the channel matrixing) and these 2 other "replacement" systems
>> were added instead.  Istvan's system is almost identical to what i do
>> with invalue/outvalue, except for the extra feature (confusion?) of bus
>> direction and channel types.
>>
>> ===
>>
>> ANYWAY,  it  bugs me that there are multiple ways to do the same thing
>> and was recently ready to suggest to retire invalue/outvalue and only
>> support the other channel bus stuff.
>>    if CsoundChannelIOCallback_t does work, then we could probably have
>> invalue/outvalue call that as well, which would then make
>> invalue/outvalue work with Istvan's chn system, and we could call
>> invalue/outvalue deprecated (but still be functional for the time
>> being).  Host developers would only need to support Istvan's system,
>> although i think implementing a CsoundChannelIOCallback_t should be
>> strongly advised so that orcs could call the same channel multiple times
>> in one k-pass.
>>
>>
>> -m
>>
>>
>> On Jan 24, 2008, at 1:46 AM, jpff wrote:
>>
>>> The software bus was originally conceived by Richard Dobson way back
>>> before the software freeze.  As no one actually submitted code I wrote
>>> the numbered bus commands in September 2004 as part of Csound5. Over a
>>> year later another developer wrote the named versions without
>>> discussions.  Personally I like numbers as they are easier to
>>> manipulate, but whatever.
>>> ==John ffitch
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what i just suggested would not break anything!

On Jan 24, 2008, at 11:50 AM, victor wrote:

> We cannot break backwards compatibility. I don't see
> how this can be done without breaking anything. I would
> leave as it is.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rory Walsh" 
> To: "Developer discussions" 
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 7:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] software busses
>
>
>> It would be nice to agree some kind of standard as more people are  
>> using
>> the API now then ever. Having the system compatible would be a step  
>> in
>> the right direction IMO, what do others think?
>>
>>
>> matt ingalls wrote:
>>> well.. i hesitate to join in this discussion because i am still  
>>> bitter
>>> about this... but since we are going of the history:
>>>
>>> i added invalue/outvalue around 2000 or something like that -  it  
>>> was in
>>> my original API, even before i merged with Michael's.  It looks like
>>> those functions were finally rolled into canonical in 2002.   ( BTW
>>> invalue/outvalue can use numbers OR strings for the channel name. )
>>>
>>> It is a real shame that the invalue/outvalue system was just not  
>>> added
>>> to (even after my multiple pleas and offer to add my host's code to
>>> handle the channel matrixing) and these 2 other "replacement"  
>>> systems
>>> were added instead.  Istvan's system is almost identical to what i  
>>> do
>>> with invalue/outvalue, except for the extra feature (confusion?)  
>>> of bus
>>> direction and channel types.
>>>
>>> ===
>>>
>>> ANYWAY,  it  bugs me that there are multiple ways to do the same  
>>> thing
>>> and was recently ready to suggest to retire invalue/outvalue and  
>>> only
>>> support the other channel bus stuff.
>>>   if CsoundChannelIOCallback_t does work, then we could probably  
>>> have
>>> invalue/outvalue call that as well, which would then make
>>> invalue/outvalue work with Istvan's chn system, and we could call
>>> invalue/outvalue deprecated (but still be functional for the time
>>> being).  Host developers would only need to support Istvan's system,
>>> although i think implementing a CsoundChannelIOCallback_t should be
>>> strongly advised so that orcs could call the same channel multiple  
>>> times
>>> in one k-pass.
>>>
>>>
>>> -m
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 24, 2008, at 1:46 AM, jpff wrote:
>>>
>>>> The software bus was originally conceived by Richard Dobson way  
>>>> back
>>>> before the software freeze.  As no one actually submitted code I  
>>>> wrote
>>>> the numbered bus commands in September 2004 as part of Csound5.  
>>>> Over a
>>>> year later another developer wrote the named versions without
>>>> discussions.  Personally I like numbers as they are easier to
>>>> manipulate, but whatever.
>>>> ==John ffitch
>>>>
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>>>
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