i am wondering if it is possible to assign a sine table (say of size 
1024) to the standards oscillators like (p)oscil(i/3). so in

ares poscil aamp, acps, ifn [, iphs]

ifn would be optional, with -1 as default, which would refer to the 
internal sine table.

the reason for this request: in many cases (not to say: in most) such a 
standard sine table is needed. it would simplify many instruments if an 
internal table could be used. and for teaching it would allow to explain 
the relative complicated gen routine syntax later, not when working with 
the first sine wave.

as far as i see, this is also like super collider or max handles it.

best -

	joachim

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Does not sound hard; assume you want a sine (and not a cosine) and you are
happy with some default size, but what?  Or controllable via environment
or command line?  Making it numbered 0 would be nice for optional args,
but would that break anything else?

Rick, you shoukd share your dreams more often

==John ff

> Peiman,
>
> I have always "dreamed" that there would be "default" arguments for many
> of
> the opcodes - such as this.
> Great idea.  Could it (and others) be part of Csound6.  Hope so.
>
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> On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 3:47 AM, joachim heintz 
> wrote:
>
>> i am wondering if it is possible to assign a sine table (say of size
>> 1024) to the standards oscillators like (p)oscil(i/3). so in
>>
>> ares poscil aamp, acps, ifn [, iphs]
>>
>> ifn would be optional, with -1 as default, which would refer to the
>> internal sine table.
>>
>> the reason for this request: in many cases (not to say: in most) such a
>> standard sine table is needed. it would simplify many instruments if an
>> internal table could be used. and for teaching it would allow to explain
>> the relative complicated gen routine syntax later, not when working with
>> the first sine wave.
>>
>> as far as i see, this is also like super collider or max handles it.
>>
>> best -
>>
>>         joachim
>>
>>
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>> endpoint security space. For insight on selecting the right partner to
>> tackle endpoint security challenges, access the full report.
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Code written (cd cs6 only); not completely tested yet
Current default size is 8192 but selectable.

==John ff
> +1 for this.
>
> In partikkel, default tables can be used by setting the table number to
> -1.
> Perhaps it would be good to follow the same practice?
>
> I'd vote for something halfway biggish if we go for a single size default
> table, like 32768 or 65536.
> Assuming that no memory would be allocated unless the default table is
> explicityl set with -1, so devices with limited memory are not impeded.
>
> Oeyvind
>
>
> 2013/3/12 
>
>> Does not sound hard; assume you want a sine (and not a cosine) and you
>> are
>> happy with some default size, but what?  Or controllable via environment
>> or command line?  Making it numbered 0 would be nice for optional args,
>> but would that break anything else?
>>
>> Rick, you shoukd share your dreams more often
>>
>> ==John ff
>>
>> > Peiman,
>> >
>> > I have always "dreamed" that there would be "default" arguments for
>> many
>> > of
>> > the opcodes - such as this.
>> > Great idea.  Could it (and others) be part of Csound6.  Hope so.
>> >
>> > -dB
>> >
>> > *Dr. Richard Boulanger, Ph.D.  *
>> >
>> > Professor of Electronic Production and Design
>> >
>> > Professional Writing and Music Technology Division
>> >
>> > Office @ 161 Mass Ave - 4th Floor
>> >
>> > 617-747-2485 (office)  774-488-9166 (cell)
>> >
>> > http://csounds.com/boulanger     http://csounds.com/mathews
>> >
>> > http://boulangerlabs.com    http://csoundforlive.com
>> http://csounds.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 3:47 AM, joachim heintz 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> i am wondering if it is possible to assign a sine table (say of size
>> >> 1024) to the standards oscillators like (p)oscil(i/3). so in
>> >>
>> >> ares poscil aamp, acps, ifn [, iphs]
>> >>
>> >> ifn would be optional, with -1 as default, which would refer to the
>> >> internal sine table.
>> >>
>> >> the reason for this request: in many cases (not to say: in most) such
>> a
>> >> standard sine table is needed. it would simplify many instruments if
>> an
>> >> internal table could be used. and for teaching it would allow to
>> explain
>> >> the relative complicated gen routine syntax later, not when working
>> with
>> >> the first sine wave.
>> >>
>> >> as far as i see, this is also like super collider or max handles it.
>> >>
>> >> best -
>> >>
>> >>         joachim
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> Symantec Endpoint Protection 12 positioned as A LEADER in The
>> Forrester
>> >> Wave(TM): Endpoint Security, Q1 2013 and "remains a good choice" in
>> the
>> >> endpoint security space. For insight on selecting the right partner
>> to
>> >> tackle endpoint security challenges, access the full report.
>> >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/symantec-dev2dev
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>> the
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>> > tackle endpoint security challenges, access the full report.
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>
> Code written (cd cs6 only); not completely tested yet
> Current default size is 8192 but selectable.
>
> ==John ff

>From What_is_New.txt in cs6:

    If a table number is given as -1 then an internal sine wav equivalent
    to "f. 0 8192 10 1" is used.  Attempts to write to this table will
    give unpredictable results, but is not policed.  The 8192 can be
    change by command line option --sine-size=# where the # is rounded up
    to a power of two.

I have done elementary tests and it seems to work; now to try to add this
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Hi John,

I think this is a great solution as it avoids allocation within the
opcodes and redundancy, plus it supports all future opcodes without
any additional work. Would this interfere with using:
 f 0 3600

in the score?

Cheers,
Andrés

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 6:24 AM,   wrote:
>>
>> Code written (cd cs6 only); not completely tested yet
>> Current default size is 8192 but selectable.
>>
>> ==John ff
>
> >From What_is_New.txt in cs6:
>
>     If a table number is given as -1 then an internal sine wav equivalent
>     to "f. 0 8192 10 1" is used.  Attempts to write to this table will
>     give unpredictable results, but is not policed.  The 8192 can be
>     change by command line option --sine-size=# where the # is rounded up
>     to a power of two.
>
> I have done elementary tests and it seems to work; now to try to add this
> to the manual!
>
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I cannot think of any reason for an interference.  Implementation is in
the table look  up, where it is created if it is used.  Does not use the f
score opcode at all.

I am thinking of making some table-number arguments optional, especially
in the Perry Cook derived code (fmb3 normally takes 5 sine waves)


> Hi John,
>
> I think this is a great solution as it avoids allocation within the
> opcodes and redundancy, plus it supports all future opcodes without
> any additional work. Would this interfere with using:
>  f 0 3600
>
> in the score?
>
> Cheers,
> Andrés
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 6:24 AM,   wrote:
>>>
>>> Code written (cd cs6 only); not completely tested yet
>>> Current default size is 8192 but selectable.
>>>
>>> ==John ff
>>
>> >From What_is_New.txt in cs6:
>>
>>     If a table number is given as -1 then an internal sine wav
>> equivalent
>>     to "f. 0 8192 10 1" is used.  Attempts to write to this table will
>>     give unpredictable results, but is not policed.  The 8192 can be
>>     change by command line option --sine-size=# where the # is rounded
>> up
>>     to a power of two.
>>
>> I have done elementary tests and it seems to work; now to try to add
>> this
>> to the manual!
>>
>>
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thanks very much john!
	joachim


Am 13.03.2013 14:24, schrieb jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk:
>>
>> Code written (cd cs6 only); not completely tested yet
>> Current default size is 8192 but selectable.
>>
>> ==John ff
>
>>From What_is_New.txt in cs6:
>
>      If a table number is given as -1 then an internal sine wav equivalent
>      to "f. 0 8192 10 1" is used.  Attempts to write to this table will
>      give unpredictable results, but is not policed.  The 8192 can be
>      change by command line option --sine-size=# where the # is rounded up
>      to a power of two.
>
> I have done elementary tests and it seems to work; now to try to add this
> to the manual!
>
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I vote 65536 as it's higher than the sample rate of 44.1 kHz most audio uses.

On 3/14/13, joachim heintz  wrote:
> thanks very much john!
> 	joachim
>
>
> Am 13.03.2013 14:24, schrieb jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk:
>>>
>>> Code written (cd cs6 only); not completely tested yet
>>> Current default size is 8192 but selectable.
>>>
>>> ==John ff
>>
>>>From What_is_New.txt in cs6:
>>
>>      If a table number is given as -1 then an internal sine wav
>> equivalent
>>      to "f. 0 8192 10 1" is used.  Attempts to write to this table will
>>      give unpredictable results, but is not policed.  The 8192 can be
>>      change by command line option --sine-size=# where the # is rounded
>> up
>>      to a power of two.
>>
>> I have done elementary tests and it seems to work; now to try to add this
>> to the manual!
>>
>>
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Nice.

Sent from my iPhone.

On Mar 14, 2013, at 10:04 AM, joachim heintz  wrote:

> thanks very much john!
>    joachim
> 
> 
> Am 13.03.2013 14:24, schrieb jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk:
>>> 
>>> Code written (cd cs6 only); not completely tested yet
>>> Current default size is 8192 but selectable.
>>> 
>>> ==John ff
>> 
>>> From What_is_New.txt in cs6:
>> 
>>     If a table number is given as -1 then an internal sine wav equivalent
>>     to "f. 0 8192 10 1" is used.  Attempts to write to this table will
>>     give unpredictable results, but is not policed.  The 8192 can be
>>     change by command line option --sine-size=# where the # is rounded up
>>     to a power of two.
>> 
>> I have done elementary tests and it seems to work; now to try to add this
>> to the manual!
>> 
>> 
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