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Date2014-11-25 22:03
FromSteven Yi
SubjectRe: [Cs-dev] Status
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I'm wondering about this in general for if we should have a policy on how many OS releases to support (or how many years back), for any OS/system.  Linux is largely fine where users are mostly building themselves or are using binary packages built by a repo.  The kind of support work for multiple versions is oddly easier than the binary releases we are having to do for all of the other platforms.  

For OSX, I'm leaning towards dropping 10.6 as well.  If someone else who is a 10.6 user wants to do builds of the installer (it's all done with a single script) and wants to join in, that'd be great, but otherwise it's getting to become difficult to build/test on so many previous versions.  

Windows also seems to be mostly okay; it seems like the 32-bit installers are and have been working across the various versions of Windows that have not been end-of-life'd.  Are only concern there is 64-bit installers.  

Android and iOS also seem to be working alright for our binary distributions, as are PNaCl and Emscripten.  So this seems like just an OSX issue really.  

So my take: let's drop 10.6 or find someone willing to contribute to building/testing on 10.6.

On Tue Nov 25 2014 at 6:55:29 AM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
I would hope that you can continue to prepare a version for 10.6, even
if it ships without CsoundQT. I don't use CsoundQT on OSX 10.6, but I
do use csound~, csoundapi~, csnd.jar, csnd.py, csladpsa, WinXound etc.
I would hate to lose support for all of these equally amazing
frontends.

On 25 November 2014 at 11:30, Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@nuim.ie> wrote:
> >From my perspective, the OSX packaging is ready. I had no further reports, but I have fixed some outstanding issues
> I found meanwhile. This should work for 10.7-10.10, and I can produce a 10.6 package as well, but that will need
> a matching CsoundQT, which we do not currently have. I am wondering whether we should drop support for 10.6 at this
> point (we have been working with 3-4 versions behind for most of the releases, and support for 10.5 was dropped way
> back in one of the later versions of 5).
>
> best regards
> ========================
> Dr Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies and Philosophy,
> Maynooth University,
> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
> Tel: 00 353 7086936
> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>
>> On 24 Nov 2014, at 23:01, Steven Yi <stevenyi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I wanted to check in on the status of things for 6.04.0. It seems to me there are two primary outstanding issues:
>>
>> * Compilation on Windows seems to be a problem
>> * The Emscripten build needs to be corrected
>>
>> I've been going back and forth with Ed regarding Emscripten and he's been great in leading that effort.  I'm unsure of the state of the Windows build; could Rory and Michael chime in on where we're at?
>>
>> Also, are there other things we are currently waiting on?  I'm wondering when should we start the release branch and get the other releases going.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> steven
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Date2014-11-25 22:13
Fromjoachim heintz
SubjectRe: [Cs-dev] Status
yes, ok, i think i could do it for 10.6.  and if andrés helps me, i 
could perhaps even build the recent csoundqt on 10.6.

which is the script you are mentioning, steven?

	joachim


Am 25.11.2014 um 23:03 schrieb Steven Yi:
> I'm wondering about this in general for if we should have a policy on
> how many OS releases to support (or how many years back), for any
> OS/system.  Linux is largely fine where users are mostly building
> themselves or are using binary packages built by a repo.  The kind of
> support work for multiple versions is oddly easier than the binary
> releases we are having to do for all of the other platforms.
>
> For OSX, I'm leaning towards dropping 10.6 as well.  If someone else who
> is a 10.6 user wants to do builds of the installer (it's all done with a
> single script) and wants to join in, that'd be great, but otherwise it's
> getting to become difficult to build/test on so many previous versions.
>
> Windows also seems to be mostly okay; it seems like the 32-bit
> installers are and have been working across the various versions of
> Windows that have not been end-of-life'd.  Are only concern there is
> 64-bit installers.
>
> Android and iOS also seem to be working alright for our binary
> distributions, as are PNaCl and Emscripten.  So this seems like just an
> OSX issue really.
>
> So my take: let's drop 10.6 or find someone willing to contribute to
> building/testing on 10.6.
>
> On Tue Nov 25 2014 at 6:55:29 AM Rory Walsh  > wrote:
>
>     I would hope that you can continue to prepare a version for 10.6, even
>     if it ships without CsoundQT. I don't use CsoundQT on OSX 10.6, but I
>     do use csound~, csoundapi~, csnd.jar, csnd.py, csladpsa, WinXound etc.
>     I would hate to lose support for all of these equally amazing
>     frontends.
>
>     On 25 November 2014 at 11:30, Victor Lazzarini
>     > wrote:
>      > >From my perspective, the OSX packaging is ready. I had no
>     further reports, but I have fixed some outstanding issues
>      > I found meanwhile. This should work for 10.7-10.10, and I can
>     produce a 10.6 package as well, but that will need
>      > a matching CsoundQT, which we do not currently have. I am
>     wondering whether we should drop support for 10.6 at this
>      > point (we have been working with 3-4 versions behind for most of
>     the releases, and support for 10.5 was dropped way
>      > back in one of the later versions of 5).
>      >
>      > best regards
>      > ========================
>      > Dr Victor Lazzarini
>      > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies and Philosophy,
>      > Maynooth University,
>      > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>      > Tel: 00 353 7086936
>      > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>      >
>      >> On 24 Nov 2014, at 23:01, Steven Yi      > wrote:
>      >>
>      >> Hi All,
>      >>
>      >> I wanted to check in on the status of things for 6.04.0. It
>     seems to me there are two primary outstanding issues:
>      >>
>      >> * Compilation on Windows seems to be a problem
>      >> * The Emscripten build needs to be corrected
>      >>
>      >> I've been going back and forth with Ed regarding Emscripten and
>     he's been great in leading that effort.  I'm unsure of the state of
>     the Windows build; could Rory and Michael chime in on where we're at?
>      >>
>      >> Also, are there other things we are currently waiting on?  I'm
>     wondering when should we start the release branch and get the other
>     releases going.
>      >>
>      >> Thanks!
>      >> steven
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Date2014-11-25 23:15
FromAndres Cabrera
SubjectRe: [Cs-dev] Status
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Hi Joachim,

You could build and package CsoundQt for 10.6 using the nightly_build.py script. You would have to tweak some paths, but it should produce a bundle that you should be able to ship with the installer.

Cheers,
Andrés

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:13 PM, joachim heintz <jh@joachimheintz.de> wrote:
yes, ok, i think i could do it for 10.6.  and if andrés helps me, i
could perhaps even build the recent csoundqt on 10.6.

which is the script you are mentioning, steven?

        joachim


Am 25.11.2014 um 23:03 schrieb Steven Yi:
> I'm wondering about this in general for if we should have a policy on
> how many OS releases to support (or how many years back), for any
> OS/system.  Linux is largely fine where users are mostly building
> themselves or are using binary packages built by a repo.  The kind of
> support work for multiple versions is oddly easier than the binary
> releases we are having to do for all of the other platforms.
>
> For OSX, I'm leaning towards dropping 10.6 as well.  If someone else who
> is a 10.6 user wants to do builds of the installer (it's all done with a
> single script) and wants to join in, that'd be great, but otherwise it's
> getting to become difficult to build/test on so many previous versions.
>
> Windows also seems to be mostly okay; it seems like the 32-bit
> installers are and have been working across the various versions of
> Windows that have not been end-of-life'd.  Are only concern there is
> 64-bit installers.
>
> Android and iOS also seem to be working alright for our binary
> distributions, as are PNaCl and Emscripten.  So this seems like just an
> OSX issue really.
>
> So my take: let's drop 10.6 or find someone willing to contribute to
> building/testing on 10.6.
>
> On Tue Nov 25 2014 at 6:55:29 AM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie
> <mailto:rorywalsh@ear.ie>> wrote:
>
>     I would hope that you can continue to prepare a version for 10.6, even
>     if it ships without CsoundQT. I don't use CsoundQT on OSX 10.6, but I
>     do use csound~, csoundapi~, csnd.jar, csnd.py, csladpsa, WinXound etc.
>     I would hate to lose support for all of these equally amazing
>     frontends.
>
>     On 25 November 2014 at 11:30, Victor Lazzarini
>     <Victor.Lazzarini@nuim.ie <mailto:Victor.Lazzarini@nuim.ie>> wrote:
>      > >From my perspective, the OSX packaging is ready. I had no
>     further reports, but I have fixed some outstanding issues
>      > I found meanwhile. This should work for 10.7-10.10, and I can
>     produce a 10.6 package as well, but that will need
>      > a matching CsoundQT, which we do not currently have. I am
>     wondering whether we should drop support for 10.6 at this
>      > point (we have been working with 3-4 versions behind for most of
>     the releases, and support for 10.5 was dropped way
>      > back in one of the later versions of 5).
>      >
>      > best regards
>      > ========================
>      > Dr Victor Lazzarini
>      > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies and Philosophy,
>      > Maynooth University,
>      > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>      > Tel: 00 353 7086936
>      > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>      >
>      >> On 24 Nov 2014, at 23:01, Steven Yi <stevenyi@gmail.com
>     <mailto:stevenyi@gmail.com>> wrote:
>      >>
>      >> Hi All,
>      >>
>      >> I wanted to check in on the status of things for 6.04.0. It
>     seems to me there are two primary outstanding issues:
>      >>
>      >> * Compilation on Windows seems to be a problem
>      >> * The Emscripten build needs to be corrected
>      >>
>      >> I've been going back and forth with Ed regarding Emscripten and
>     he's been great in leading that effort.  I'm unsure of the state of
>     the Windows build; could Rory and Michael chime in on where we're at?
>      >>
>      >> Also, are there other things we are currently waiting on?  I'm
>     wondering when should we start the release branch and get the other
>     releases going.
>      >>
>      >> Thanks!
>      >> steven
>      >>
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