Re: [Cs-dev] Csound5 MIDI changes

Re: [Cs-dev] Csound5 MIDI changes - some testing needed

Date	2005-02-21 21:19
From	"Art Hunkins"
Subject	Re: [Cs-dev] Csound5 MIDI changes - some testing needed
	Istvan et al, Yes, that is what I'm asking for. In a larger context, what I'm asking for is an example of this: let's try to make, from the user's standpoint, CS5 work as similar to CS4 as possible. (-M0 corresponds/defaults to the first MIDI input device on MyCsound4 (Lazzarini) and GBS8 (Ramsdell) and the comparable flag in CsoundAV.) It may well be because of the lack of MIDI out in CS4 that the flag -M0 always returns the first MIDI input device. IMO -M0 should correspond to the first MIDI input device in CS5 as well. Frankly, I'd like -M to bring up a window of MIDI input device choices, and -o dac to bring up a window of audio output devices - just like CsoundAV does - but this may be asking for too much. However, it's very user friendly - and this is what we need to aim for. I expect Dr. B would back me on this "user friendly/intuitive" priority. Art Hunkins ----- Original Message ----- From: "Istvan Varga" To: Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Csound5 MIDI changes - some testing needed > Art Hunkins wrote: > > > I hope this fixes the -M0 problem, for which CS5 used to interpret as MIDI > > output rather than the first input device. So, now does -M0 "default" to > > the first MIDI input device? > > -M0 is interpreted as the first PortMIDI device, which may be input or > output depending on your system. With some effort it may be changed to > skip numbers of devices of the wrong type, although there are also more > important issues to deal with right now. > What you are asking for is mapping device numbers as shown below: > > INPUT > 1: EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) (ALSA) => -M 0 > 7: VirMIDI 1-0 (ALSA) => -M 1 > 9: VirMIDI 1-1 (ALSA) => -M 2 > 11: VirMIDI 1-2 (ALSA) => -M 3 > 13: VirMIDI 1-3 (ALSA) => -M 4 > > OUTPUT > 0: EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) (ALSA) => -Q 0 > 2: Emu10k1 Port 0 (ALSA) => -Q 1 > 3: Emu10k1 Port 1 (ALSA) => -Q 2 > 4: Emu10k1 Port 2 (ALSA) => -Q 3 > 5: Emu10k1 Port 3 (ALSA) => -Q 4 > 6: VirMIDI 1-0 (ALSA) => -Q 5 > 8: VirMIDI 1-1 (ALSA) => -Q 6 > 10: VirMIDI 1-2 (ALSA) => -Q 7 > 12: VirMIDI 1-3 (ALSA) => -Q 8 > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Csound-devel mailing list > Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel ------------------------------------------------------- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click _______________________________________________ Csound-devel mailing list Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net

Date	2005-02-21 21:25
From	"Richard Boulanger"
Subject	Re: [Cs-dev] Csound5 MIDI changes - some testing needed
	Art, As regards clear and intuitive user interface, I am right with you there Art. I have been working with csound5 now a bit. Phew.... This is not for beginners at all... If you have been doing your composing with WinSound, CsoundAV, SuperMills, or MacCsoound - you can forget it. It might be possible for one to make the first step if there were a simple set of test/demo orchestras and command-lines that would cover all the basics with Csound5. In essence, a folder filled with presets/demos/tests that - once installed, anyone could fire off this or that command line and get to run. I would leave it to the Csound5 developers to tell us what orchestras would comprise this test set, and what would they need to test? Real-time MIDI Write to File Plugin opcodes UDOs Include files Multi-Channel Output Real-Time Audio IN InterApplication Communication Python Driven Orcs Changing buffer sizes Analysis and Other Utilities JACK FTLK Thus, all these (and any/many others that you Csound5 developers would come up with) should be included with Csound5 distributions as the "starter-testor pak" - and the included set of sample command-line files should be easy for the beginner/testor to run with when testing and modify by substituting their own .orc/.sco/.csd when composing. -Dr.B. on 2/21/05 4:19 PM, Art Hunkins at abhunkin@uncg.edu wrote: > Istvan et al, > > Yes, that is what I'm asking for. > > In a larger context, what I'm asking for is an example of this: let's try to > make, from the user's standpoint, CS5 work as similar to CS4 as possible. > (-M0 corresponds/defaults to the first MIDI input device on MyCsound4 > (Lazzarini) and GBS8 (Ramsdell) and the comparable flag in CsoundAV.) > > It may well be because of the lack of MIDI out in CS4 that the flag -M0 > always returns the first MIDI input device. IMO -M0 should correspond to the > first MIDI input device in CS5 as well. > > Frankly, I'd like -M to bring up a window of MIDI input device choices, > and -o dac to bring up a window of audio output devices - just like CsoundAV > does - but this may be asking for too much. However, it's very user > friendly - and this is what we need to aim for. > > I expect Dr. B would back me on this "user friendly/intuitive" priority. > > Art Hunkins > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Istvan Varga" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 3:25 PM > Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Csound5 MIDI changes - some testing needed > > >> Art Hunkins wrote: >> >>> I hope this fixes the -M0 problem, for which CS5 used to interpret as > MIDI >>> output rather than the first input device. So, now does -M0 "default" > to >>> the first MIDI input device? >> >> -M0 is interpreted as the first PortMIDI device, which may be input or >> output depending on your system. With some effort it may be changed to >> skip numbers of devices of the wrong type, although there are also more >> important issues to deal with right now. >> What you are asking for is mapping device numbers as shown below: >> >> INPUT >> 1: EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) (ALSA) => -M 0 >> 7: VirMIDI 1-0 (ALSA) => -M 1 >> 9: VirMIDI 1-1 (ALSA) => -M 2 >> 11: VirMIDI 1-2 (ALSA) => -M 3 >> 13: VirMIDI 1-3 (ALSA) => -M 4 >> >> OUTPUT >> 0: EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) (ALSA) => -Q 0 >> 2: Emu10k1 Port 0 (ALSA) => -Q 1 >> 3: Emu10k1 Port 1 (ALSA) => -Q 2 >> 4: Emu10k1 Port 2 (ALSA) => -Q 3 >> 5: Emu10k1 Port 3 (ALSA) => -Q 4 >> 6: VirMIDI 1-0 (ALSA) => -Q 5 >> 8: VirMIDI 1-1 (ALSA) => -Q 6 >> 10: VirMIDI 1-2 (ALSA) => -Q 7 >> 12: VirMIDI 1-3 (ALSA) => -Q 8 >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide >> Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. >> Discover which products truly live up to the hype. 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