My suspicions exactly. (How incredibly frustrating it must be to work so
hard and finally not get to hear a decent sound.)

However, I hope they are (or will be) proven wrong.

Art Hunkins

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Worobec" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] To Linux or Not to Linux


> The dependencies in Linux are module-specific, not release specific. So,
> it needs to be determined/decided which versions of the various modules
> does CSound require. This then could be mapped to the various
distributions.
>
> For example, now CSound has a hard dependency on Python 2.3, which is
> inconsistent with at least Fedora 4 - it packages Python 2.4. Also, it
> comes with gcc 4, which may still be an issue for legacy  dependencies
> to 3.x. Not sure, though, since I installed 3.x to avoid these issues.
>
> The real problem, though, with Linux is now how to get a working sound
> system. I've wasted enough time now with drivers, cards, and ALSA, that
> I'm thoroughly convinced that Linux is a total waste of time for any
> serious sound artist. I'm starting to think it's worthless for users in
> general too, because it still continues to be advanced by developers who
> are clueless about usability, maintainability, and all the other
> critical qualities of software that must be addressed for the software
> to be of use to anyone other than loner nerds.
>
> Mike Worobec
>
> Art Hunkins wrote:
>
> >I am a Windows person, and no doubt will remain one. However, I'd like to
> >take up Ian's real-time Csound Linux challenge (thanks, Ian), and install
a
> >separate Linux boot on my new laptop.
> >
> >I will not do this, though, unless there is a fairly foolproof Linux
> >installer for Csound5. I have watched the endless and heroic attempts to
> >build Csound on Linux here on this list, and will *not* subject my body
and
> >remaining life to this stress. (My cardiologist would not like it
either.)
> >I'm serious about this. I cannot afford to try to "roll my own" Linux, as
> >users perhaps *should* do, according to Istvan. (But I wonder how many
> >*would* do it?)
> >
> >If Linux is to *thrive* as a Csound OS, appropriate installers must be
> >available for at least selected versions of Linux.
> >
> >So a decision needs to be made as to which versions of Linux to support.
> >With this as background, which will be the first Linux installer
versions? I
> >need a recommendation as to which Linux to obtain - *one based on a
> >soon-upcoming available installer*.
> >
> >Or else I need to forget about it. Please let me know.
> >
> >Art Hunkins
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Istvan Varga" 
> >To: 
> >Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 7:08 AM
> >Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Multi port midi proposal
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Steven Yi wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>In terms of time table, installers seem like the most pressing thing
> >>>on everyone's minds, as the rest of the above seem in very good shape
> >>>(bravo all of you! ^_^).  Just to get some kind of timeline out for
> >>>consideration, would a rough schedule of getting installers done in a
> >>>week,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Actually, the installers are a major problem, and it is not likely
> >>that this issue is going to be solved in a week or even in any
> >>predictable amount of time. It would be possible to have installers
> >>for Windows and OS X in 1-2 weeks if anyone would actually work on
> >>it - but that is not the case (the situation is particularly bad
> >>with respect to the Mac platforms). Linux is a different issue: we
> >>already have scripts for generating packages, but due to the lack of
> >>binary compatibility and different directory structure, a separate
> >>package should be generated for every commonly used distribution
> >>and release, and there is just no one who would actually do that
> >>tedious task. Thus, the standard means of installing on Linux still
> >>remains compiling from sources.
> >>
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