A Linux-PPC distro would be great. I suppose it would be
a .deb, since you're in Ubuntu, wouldn't it? Thanks for
offering to do it.

I think what probably cripples OSX for audio processing
is Acqua; a lot of the CPU power seems to be devoted to
graphics.

Victor

>
> Hello developers.
>
> Thanks for 5.04.  I'm happy to report that python is now
> working as  expected in OSX.
> In the last few days, I've been working with csound and
> python in ubuntu  linux for ppc.  I've set up my system to
> dual boot both ubuntu and osx  and have had the
> opportunity to compare the performance of csound and
> other applications side by side on the same hardware.  The
> performance  difference is alarmingly in ubuntu's favor.
> As a result, I'm going to  steadily migrate from OSX to
> linux-ppc.
>
> I would like to offer my services in creating a linux-ppc
> package for  future releases of csound.  I have little
> experience with programming in  c so I would not be
> terrible helpful in other areas of development, but  I am
> quite comfortable checking out csound from cvs and
> building it on  my system.  I'm sure that with the advice
> of those on this list I could  quickly learn how to built
> a package for distribution that would be  useful for the
> minority of csound linux users on ppc hardware.
>
> At this time, I have built a version with fltk, osc, and
> jack support as  these are the features that I currently
> use in my own composing.  With  earlier versions I have
> built the Loris opcodes.  I was never able to
> successfully build the STK opcodes-- but have not tried
> for a few  versions (and gave up because I only had
> marginal interest in them).
>
> If you think that this would be useful for the csound
> community, I would  certainly be thrilled to have the
> opportunity to contribute to the  development of csound.
>
> Thanks again for all of your efforts.
>
>
> Julian Peterson
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but why would that affect audio-specifically? -- i wouldn't think
Aqua was so bad that it would be eating up cpu when idle?

if there is a significant difference, my guess would be
things like unbuffered file i/o ( libsndfile, pvoc files, etc ),
portAudio ( which was never very good on mac as far as i can tell ),
and fltk (don't get me started.. )

Julian: i would be interested to hear more details about your
performance comparison -- what aspects are you looking at?
( real-time, commandline, python, etc )

-m

>
>
> I think what probably cripples OSX for audio processing
> is Acqua; a lot of the CPU power seems to be devoted to
> graphics.
>
> Victor
>
>>
>> Hello developers.
>>
>> Thanks for 5.04.  I'm happy to report that python is now
>> working as  expected in OSX.
>> In the last few days, I've been working with csound and
>> python in ubuntu  linux for ppc.  I've set up my system to
>> dual boot both ubuntu and osx  and have had the
>> opportunity to compare the performance of csound and
>> other applications side by side on the same hardware.  The
>> performance  difference is alarmingly in ubuntu's favor.
>> As a result, I'm going to  steadily migrate from OSX to
>> linux-ppc.
>>
>> I would like to offer my services in creating a linux-ppc
>> package for  future releases of csound.  I have little
>> experience with programming in  c so I would not be
>> terrible helpful in other areas of development, but  I am
>> quite comfortable checking out csound from cvs and
>> building it on  my system.  I'm sure that with the advice
>> of those on this list I could  quickly learn how to built
>> a package for distribution that would be  useful for the
>> minority of csound linux users on ppc hardware.
>>
>> At this time, I have built a version with fltk, osc, and
>> jack support as  these are the features that I currently
>> use in my own composing.  With  earlier versions I have
>> built the Loris opcodes.  I was never able to
>> successfully build the STK opcodes-- but have not tried
>> for a few  versions (and gave up because I only had
>> marginal interest in them).
>>
>> If you think that this would be useful for the csound
>> community, I would  certainly be thrilled to have the
>> opportunity to contribute to the  development of csound.
>>
>> Thanks again for all of your efforts.
>>
>>
>> Julian Peterson
>>
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To be fair, I've not done a formal comparison between the two, although 
it would be interesting to do so.  Perhaps when I'm not quite so busy 
with school I could take an afternoon and enumerate some quantifiable 
differences between the two.

In order to have success with real-time csound on OSX, I've had to do a 
number of things:
1) - use jack.  In fact, in general jack seems to improve performance on 
OSX.
2) - renice csound
3) - avoid interaction with aqua
OR
1) - use csound as csoundapi~ with PD, connected to jack (although this 
opens a whole new can of worms-- PD does not recover well when 
csoundapi~ is fed a typo with a csd in progres...)

When doing the above, I can get fairly reliable csound performance with 
few dropouts.  MacCsound seems to be pretty good out-of-the-box, but I'm 
a stickler for shells.

Linux performance with ALSA or jack seems extremely solid.  Csound 
experiences fewer dropouts, is able to handle a larger load, works 
better in conjunction with other running applications, etc.  I have not 
tried portaudio yet as I generally work with jack.  Python seems to have 
better performance as well when running the same scripts on OSX and Ubuntu.

Basically, the difference is that much better performance occurs 
out-of-the-box (so to speak) without having to juggle the various steps 
mentioned above.

In fact, so far the only real negative to moving to ubuntu is that my 
airport card does not work... yet.
JP

matt ingalls wrote:
> but why would that affect audio-specifically? -- i wouldn't think
> Aqua was so bad that it would be eating up cpu when idle?
>
> if there is a significant difference, my guess would be
> things like unbuffered file i/o ( libsndfile, pvoc files, etc ),
> portAudio ( which was never very good on mac as far as i can tell ),
> and fltk (don't get me started.. )
>
> Julian: i would be interested to hear more details about your
> performance comparison -- what aspects are you looking at?
> ( real-time, commandline, python, etc )
>
> -m
>
>   
>> I think what probably cripples OSX for audio processing
>> is Acqua; a lot of the CPU power seems to be devoted to
>> graphics.
>>
>> Victor
>>
>>     
>>> Hello developers.
>>>
>>> Thanks for 5.04.  I'm happy to report that python is now
>>> working as  expected in OSX.
>>> In the last few days, I've been working with csound and
>>> python in ubuntu  linux for ppc.  I've set up my system to
>>> dual boot both ubuntu and osx  and have had the
>>> opportunity to compare the performance of csound and
>>> other applications side by side on the same hardware.  The
>>> performance  difference is alarmingly in ubuntu's favor.
>>> As a result, I'm going to  steadily migrate from OSX to
>>> linux-ppc.
>>>
>>> I would like to offer my services in creating a linux-ppc
>>> package for  future releases of csound.  I have little
>>> experience with programming in  c so I would not be
>>> terrible helpful in other areas of development, but  I am
>>> quite comfortable checking out csound from cvs and
>>> building it on  my system.  I'm sure that with the advice
>>> of those on this list I could  quickly learn how to built
>>> a package for distribution that would be  useful for the
>>> minority of csound linux users on ppc hardware.
>>>
>>> At this time, I have built a version with fltk, osc, and
>>> jack support as  these are the features that I currently
>>> use in my own composing.  With  earlier versions I have
>>> built the Loris opcodes.  I was never able to
>>> successfully build the STK opcodes-- but have not tried
>>> for a few  versions (and gave up because I only had
>>> marginal interest in them).
>>>
>>> If you think that this would be useful for the csound
>>> community, I would  certainly be thrilled to have the
>>> opportunity to contribute to the  development of csound.
>>>
>>> Thanks again for all of your efforts.
>>>
>>>
>>> Julian Peterson
>>>
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Hi,
Just an idea, since I haven't done any packaging. You might want to have a
look at the current deb installer for csound. You can probably reuse most of
that. Then the current buil must include 'x86' in its name and your
installer mst say 'ppc'.

Fairly obvious, but it might help...
Cheers,
Andres



Julian Peterson wrote:
> 
> To be fair, I've not done a formal comparison between the two, although 
> it would be interesting to do so.  Perhaps when I'm not quite so busy 
> with school I could take an afternoon and enumerate some quantifiable 
> differences between the two.
> 
> In order to have success with real-time csound on OSX, I've had to do a 
> number of things:
> 1) - use jack.  In fact, in general jack seems to improve performance on 
> OSX.
> 2) - renice csound
> 3) - avoid interaction with aqua
> OR
> 1) - use csound as csoundapi~ with PD, connected to jack (although this 
> opens a whole new can of worms-- PD does not recover well when 
> csoundapi~ is fed a typo with a csd in progres...)
> 
> When doing the above, I can get fairly reliable csound performance with 
> few dropouts.  MacCsound seems to be pretty good out-of-the-box, but I'm 
> a stickler for shells.
> 
> Linux performance with ALSA or jack seems extremely solid.  Csound 
> experiences fewer dropouts, is able to handle a larger load, works 
> better in conjunction with other running applications, etc.  I have not 
> tried portaudio yet as I generally work with jack.  Python seems to have 
> better performance as well when running the same scripts on OSX and
> Ubuntu.
> 
> Basically, the difference is that much better performance occurs 
> out-of-the-box (so to speak) without having to juggle the various steps 
> mentioned above.
> 
> In fact, so far the only real negative to moving to ubuntu is that my 
> airport card does not work... yet.
> JP
> 
> matt ingalls wrote:
>> but why would that affect audio-specifically? -- i wouldn't think
>> Aqua was so bad that it would be eating up cpu when idle?
>>
>> if there is a significant difference, my guess would be
>> things like unbuffered file i/o ( libsndfile, pvoc files, etc ),
>> portAudio ( which was never very good on mac as far as i can tell ),
>> and fltk (don't get me started.. )
>>
>> Julian: i would be interested to hear more details about your
>> performance comparison -- what aspects are you looking at?
>> ( real-time, commandline, python, etc )
>>
>> -m
>>
>>   
>>> I think what probably cripples OSX for audio processing
>>> is Acqua; a lot of the CPU power seems to be devoted to
>>> graphics.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>>
>>>     
>>>> Hello developers.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for 5.04.  I'm happy to report that python is now
>>>> working as  expected in OSX.
>>>> In the last few days, I've been working with csound and
>>>> python in ubuntu  linux for ppc.  I've set up my system to
>>>> dual boot both ubuntu and osx  and have had the
>>>> opportunity to compare the performance of csound and
>>>> other applications side by side on the same hardware.  The
>>>> performance  difference is alarmingly in ubuntu's favor.
>>>> As a result, I'm going to  steadily migrate from OSX to
>>>> linux-ppc.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to offer my services in creating a linux-ppc
>>>> package for  future releases of csound.  I have little
>>>> experience with programming in  c so I would not be
>>>> terrible helpful in other areas of development, but  I am
>>>> quite comfortable checking out csound from cvs and
>>>> building it on  my system.  I'm sure that with the advice
>>>> of those on this list I could  quickly learn how to built
>>>> a package for distribution that would be  useful for the
>>>> minority of csound linux users on ppc hardware.
>>>>
>>>> At this time, I have built a version with fltk, osc, and
>>>> jack support as  these are the features that I currently
>>>> use in my own composing.  With  earlier versions I have
>>>> built the Loris opcodes.  I was never able to
>>>> successfully build the STK opcodes-- but have not tried
>>>> for a few  versions (and gave up because I only had
>>>> marginal interest in them).
>>>>
>>>> If you think that this would be useful for the csound
>>>> community, I would  certainly be thrilled to have the
>>>> opportunity to contribute to the  development of csound.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again for all of your efforts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Julian Peterson
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
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Yes, I'll certainly take that approach.  I have exams this week though, 
so it won't happen for a few days at least.

: )

JP

Andres Cabrera wrote:
> Hi,
> Just an idea, since I haven't done any packaging. You might want to have a
> look at the current deb installer for csound. You can probably reuse most of
> that. Then the current buil must include 'x86' in its name and your
> installer mst say 'ppc'.
>
> Fairly obvious, but it might help...
> Cheers,
> Andres
>
>
>
> Julian Peterson wrote:
>   
>> To be fair, I've not done a formal comparison between the two, although 
>> it would be interesting to do so.  Perhaps when I'm not quite so busy 
>> with school I could take an afternoon and enumerate some quantifiable 
>> differences between the two.
>>
>> In order to have success with real-time csound on OSX, I've had to do a 
>> number of things:
>> 1) - use jack.  In fact, in general jack seems to improve performance on 
>> OSX.
>> 2) - renice csound
>> 3) - avoid interaction with aqua
>> OR
>> 1) - use csound as csoundapi~ with PD, connected to jack (although this 
>> opens a whole new can of worms-- PD does not recover well when 
>> csoundapi~ is fed a typo with a csd in progres...)
>>
>> When doing the above, I can get fairly reliable csound performance with 
>> few dropouts.  MacCsound seems to be pretty good out-of-the-box, but I'm 
>> a stickler for shells.
>>
>> Linux performance with ALSA or jack seems extremely solid.  Csound 
>> experiences fewer dropouts, is able to handle a larger load, works 
>> better in conjunction with other running applications, etc.  I have not 
>> tried portaudio yet as I generally work with jack.  Python seems to have 
>> better performance as well when running the same scripts on OSX and
>> Ubuntu.
>>
>> Basically, the difference is that much better performance occurs 
>> out-of-the-box (so to speak) without having to juggle the various steps 
>> mentioned above.
>>
>> In fact, so far the only real negative to moving to ubuntu is that my 
>> airport card does not work... yet.
>> JP
>>
>> matt ingalls wrote:
>>     
>>> but why would that affect audio-specifically? -- i wouldn't think
>>> Aqua was so bad that it would be eating up cpu when idle?
>>>
>>> if there is a significant difference, my guess would be
>>> things like unbuffered file i/o ( libsndfile, pvoc files, etc ),
>>> portAudio ( which was never very good on mac as far as i can tell ),
>>> and fltk (don't get me started.. )
>>>
>>> Julian: i would be interested to hear more details about your
>>> performance comparison -- what aspects are you looking at?
>>> ( real-time, commandline, python, etc )
>>>
>>> -m
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> I think what probably cripples OSX for audio processing
>>>> is Acqua; a lot of the CPU power seems to be devoted to
>>>> graphics.
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> Hello developers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for 5.04.  I'm happy to report that python is now
>>>>> working as  expected in OSX.
>>>>> In the last few days, I've been working with csound and
>>>>> python in ubuntu  linux for ppc.  I've set up my system to
>>>>> dual boot both ubuntu and osx  and have had the
>>>>> opportunity to compare the performance of csound and
>>>>> other applications side by side on the same hardware.  The
>>>>> performance  difference is alarmingly in ubuntu's favor.
>>>>> As a result, I'm going to  steadily migrate from OSX to
>>>>> linux-ppc.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to offer my services in creating a linux-ppc
>>>>> package for  future releases of csound.  I have little
>>>>> experience with programming in  c so I would not be
>>>>> terrible helpful in other areas of development, but  I am
>>>>> quite comfortable checking out csound from cvs and
>>>>> building it on  my system.  I'm sure that with the advice
>>>>> of those on this list I could  quickly learn how to built
>>>>> a package for distribution that would be  useful for the
>>>>> minority of csound linux users on ppc hardware.
>>>>>
>>>>> At this time, I have built a version with fltk, osc, and
>>>>> jack support as  these are the features that I currently
>>>>> use in my own composing.  With  earlier versions I have
>>>>> built the Loris opcodes.  I was never able to
>>>>> successfully build the STK opcodes-- but have not tried
>>>>> for a few  versions (and gave up because I only had
>>>>> marginal interest in them).
>>>>>
>>>>> If you think that this would be useful for the csound
>>>>> community, I would  certainly be thrilled to have the
>>>>> opportunity to contribute to the  development of csound.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again for all of your efforts.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Julian Peterson
>>>>>
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