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Re: [Cs-dev] Re: ending the code freeze

Date2005-02-17 19:18
From"gogins@pipeline.com"
SubjectRe: [Cs-dev] Re: ending the code freeze
Csound 5 does have a graphical user interface, namely CsoundVST, in
addition to the command line version. It runs on Windows and Linux. I can't
speak for the Mac.

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Richard Boulanger rboulanger@berklee.edu
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:23:15 -0500
To: csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Re: ending the code freeze


Dave,

Can't wait to have your pages and info at cSound.com.

Since you are suggesting that we encourage our students and all users to
move to Csound5, I am wondering:

Does Csound5 (on any platform) have a graphical user interface or must one
use the command-line to run the program?

Does Csound5 run on a Macintosh?

Are there "built versions" for all the operating systems available?

If there is no GUI, for beginners... are there a collection of
"default/model" command-lines (batch files) that might help a beginner to
explore and experiment with Csound5?

Will your new pages at cSounds.com have links/tip/examples that address all
these *beginner* questions/issues.

David, I am looking forward to the day when all Csounders are once again
working from a more common source.

Until then, I am *not* at all suggesting that anyone *re-develop* Csound4,
but just that they consider-share-point-out those unique opcodes that they
have added that might be easily shared and consider incorporating them into
a new "spring" release of their already popular/powerful/and
extremely-useful current versions of the program to make them more mutually
compatible.

Dr. B.


on 2/17/05 12:44 PM, Dave Phillips at dlphilp@bright.net wrote:

> Richard Boulanger wrote:
> 
>> I am *not* proposing any form of major surgery on *any* current Csound4
>> version.  Rather, I am just asking those maintainers to coordinate some,
and
>> to please make sure that *as many of those unique opcodes* that can be
>> ported *easily* are ported to all Csound4 versions.  Maybe this is done
by
>> making sure that everything is added there in Csound5 *first* and
bug-free
>> there and then pulled back into these earlier heavy-use versions.
>> 
> Well, as I said, I think the point is moot at this time. If Cs4
> developers want to organize a focused effort on redeveloping Cs4,
> they'll do it. They're currently independently moving forward with
> potentially incompatible versions, and it does make sense for them to
> coordinate those efforts.
> 
> I should apologize if I seem too strenuous about Cs5, it's just the
> bee's knees here at Studio Dave. ;)
> 
>> For example, (and I may not have this story exactly right),  Matt Ingalls
>> looked at the FLTK stuff and tried to add it to his MacCsound.  It turned
>> out to be too big a job and there were missing pieces, so he didn't add
it.
>> That, I think was the right decision - he went ahead and added other
>> features and fixed other bugs.  Making better use of his time.  Maybe,
when
>> he moves to Csound5 and there is a Csound5 macCsound, it will have these
>> opcodes...
>> 
> I confess to utter confusion re: Csound on the Mac. Does FLTK work on it
> or not ? Compared to 4.23f12, where does MacCsound stand in its
> versioning ? What is the development status of Cs5 for the Mac ? Who is
> working on it ?
> 
>> (Sure it would be fantastic to run all those great AV compositions
>> of Art Hunkins and these instruments of Josep Comajuncosas, and Density
- on
>> MacCsound and get all my students into them.  Rather, I tell them to
spend
>> $699 on a PC laptop and explore CsoundAV)...
>> 
> I've been running many of the files from Art and Josep, on a POS machine
> with Cs5 and Linux. I'm using their files as compatibility tests. Art's
> stuff is pretty cool, and many of Josep's instruments are sounding great
> here too.
> 
>> During the code freeze, there was no reason to pass along any code that
each
>> developer was added to their versions.  I am just hoping that we can find
>> the most efficient way to share some of this stuff at this time.
>> 
> Give 'em CVS access and let 'em fire away. Of course they'll have to
> decide upon a source target: GBS sources, CsAV, MacCsound, WinSound ?
> 
>> Also, Dave, I can't wait for your new Linux page and Csound5...
>>  
>> 
> For those who don't know, I'll be moving my Csound pages to csounds.com
> soon.
> 
> I'm getting there. The email account now works fine, I've already
> uploaded some of my pages, and I'm completing my introduction to
> compiling and installing Cs5 for Linux. I hope to go public next week.
> I'd do it sooner, but I have a gig this weekend with a new group. "No
> time for love, Doctor Jones." ;)
> 
> Best always,
> 
> dp
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Date2005-02-17 21:11
From"Richard Boulanger"
SubjectRe: [Cs-dev] Re: ending the code freeze
Michael,

Cool.  Great.  I want to make sure that this URL is on the homepage of
cSounds.com - please send me the URL to the windows and linux builds of
CsoundVST5... and I will post them and experiment with it on my PC this
weekend.  Sorry for not knowing this already.

Rick

Rick on 2/17/05 2:18 PM, gogins@pipeline.com at gogins@pipeline.com wrote:

> Csound 5 does have a graphical user interface, namely CsoundVST, in
> addition to the command line version. It runs on Windows and Linux. I can't
> speak for the Mac.
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Richard Boulanger rboulanger@berklee.edu
> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:23:15 -0500
> To: csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Re: ending the code freeze
> 
> 
> Dave,
> 
> Can't wait to have your pages and info at cSound.com.
> 
> Since you are suggesting that we encourage our students and all users to
> move to Csound5, I am wondering:
> 
> Does Csound5 (on any platform) have a graphical user interface or must one
> use the command-line to run the program?
> 
> Does Csound5 run on a Macintosh?
> 
> Are there "built versions" for all the operating systems available?
> 
> If there is no GUI, for beginners... are there a collection of
> "default/model" command-lines (batch files) that might help a beginner to
> explore and experiment with Csound5?
> 
> Will your new pages at cSounds.com have links/tip/examples that address all
> these *beginner* questions/issues.
> 
> David, I am looking forward to the day when all Csounders are once again
> working from a more common source.
> 
> Until then, I am *not* at all suggesting that anyone *re-develop* Csound4,
> but just that they consider-share-point-out those unique opcodes that they
> have added that might be easily shared and consider incorporating them into
> a new "spring" release of their already popular/powerful/and
> extremely-useful current versions of the program to make them more mutually
> compatible.
> 
> Dr. B.
> 
> 
> on 2/17/05 12:44 PM, Dave Phillips at dlphilp@bright.net wrote:
> 
>> Richard Boulanger wrote:
>> 
>>> I am *not* proposing any form of major surgery on *any* current Csound4
>>> version.  Rather, I am just asking those maintainers to coordinate some,
> and
>>> to please make sure that *as many of those unique opcodes* that can be
>>> ported *easily* are ported to all Csound4 versions.  Maybe this is done
> by
>>> making sure that everything is added there in Csound5 *first* and
> bug-free
>>> there and then pulled back into these earlier heavy-use versions.
>>> 
>> Well, as I said, I think the point is moot at this time. If Cs4
>> developers want to organize a focused effort on redeveloping Cs4,
>> they'll do it. They're currently independently moving forward with
>> potentially incompatible versions, and it does make sense for them to
>> coordinate those efforts.
>> 
>> I should apologize if I seem too strenuous about Cs5, it's just the
>> bee's knees here at Studio Dave. ;)
>> 
>>> For example, (and I may not have this story exactly right),  Matt Ingalls
>>> looked at the FLTK stuff and tried to add it to his MacCsound.  It turned
>>> out to be too big a job and there were missing pieces, so he didn't add
> it.
>>> That, I think was the right decision - he went ahead and added other
>>> features and fixed other bugs.  Making better use of his time.  Maybe,
> when
>>> he moves to Csound5 and there is a Csound5 macCsound, it will have these
>>> opcodes...
>>> 
>> I confess to utter confusion re: Csound on the Mac. Does FLTK work on it
>> or not ? Compared to 4.23f12, where does MacCsound stand in its
>> versioning ? What is the development status of Cs5 for the Mac ? Who is
>> working on it ?
>> 
>>> (Sure it would be fantastic to run all those great AV compositions
>>> of Art Hunkins and these instruments of Josep Comajuncosas, and Density
> - on
>>> MacCsound and get all my students into them.  Rather, I tell them to
> spend
>>> $699 on a PC laptop and explore CsoundAV)...
>>> 
>> I've been running many of the files from Art and Josep, on a POS machine
>> with Cs5 and Linux. I'm using their files as compatibility tests. Art's
>> stuff is pretty cool, and many of Josep's instruments are sounding great
>> here too.
>> 
>>> During the code freeze, there was no reason to pass along any code that
> each
>>> developer was added to their versions.  I am just hoping that we can find
>>> the most efficient way to share some of this stuff at this time.
>>> 
>> Give 'em CVS access and let 'em fire away. Of course they'll have to
>> decide upon a source target: GBS sources, CsAV, MacCsound, WinSound ?
>> 
>>> Also, Dave, I can't wait for your new Linux page and Csound5...
>>>  
>>> 
>> For those who don't know, I'll be moving my Csound pages to csounds.com
>> soon.
>> 
>> I'm getting there. The email account now works fine, I've already
>> uploaded some of my pages, and I'm completing my introduction to
>> compiling and installing Cs5 for Linux. I hope to go public next week.
>> I'd do it sooner, but I have a gig this weekend with a new group. "No
>> time for love, Doctor Jones." ;)
>> 
>> Best always,
>> 
>> dp
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> +  Music Synthesis Department, Berklee College of Music
> +  1140 Boylston Street  - Boston, MA  02215-3693
> +  Office Phone: (617) 747-2485   Office Fax: (617) 747-2564
> +  eMail: rboulanger@csounds.com  or  rboulanger@berklee.edu
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 +  Music Synthesis Department, Berklee College of Music
 +  1140 Boylston Street  - Boston, MA  02215-3693
 +  Office Phone: (617) 747-2485   Office Fax: (617) 747-2564
 +  eMail: rboulanger@csounds.com  or  rboulanger@berklee.edu
 +  WebPage: http://csounds.com/boulanger/
________________________________________________________________________
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 +  The Csound Catalog with Audio @ http://csounds.com/catalog/
 +  The Csound Book @ http://csounds.com/book/
 +  The Csound Magazine @ http://csounds.com/ezine/
 +  CsoundForums @ http://csounds.com/phpBB2/
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